Official Debate area for RC (OBOB) and EO (TAW) Only.

[Akathist]

Only members of the Eastern Orthodox or Roman Catholic faiths may post in this thread. This thread is created as a part of the GT boycott with the idea that as these two congregations return again to the GT area that they agree not to debate each other in that area but to present a united front there.

However, some issues might need further 'discussion' between these two faiths and congregations and members, etc. Therefore this thread is created for that discussion. There can be more than one thread, if someone wishes to start another, simply start it and put "RC and EO Only" or "OBOB and TAW Only" in the title.

A link to the thread can be made in TAW if you pm me. (For OBOB you would have to ask a mod there to see if they would be willing to make a link.)

Remember to follow the rules! Don't personalize your posts, don't flame and if you say something negative about a doctrine, you must have a citation.

 

[Maximus]

Good idea for a thread, except that I would just like to discuss things rather than debate.

 

[Akathist]

No rule that says you have to debate and can't discuss.

 

[OnTheWay]

Interesting idea, I suppose the first area of debate is going to be either the universal jurisdiction of the Bishop of Rome or the Filioque.

 

[Servus Iesu]

Rather than the typical filioque or papal primacy debate, I propose a deeper and more intellectually rivoting topic. Remember to back your opinion with quotes from the fathers. With that said, here goes:





How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?

 

[Akathist]

Rather than the typical filioque or papal primacy debate, I propose a deeper and more intellectually rivoting topic. Remember to back your opinion with quotes from the fathers. With that said, here goes:





How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?

hmmm

This is very interesting, but I need more information: What kind of a pin is it? Do you have a brand name?

Which of the differnet kind of angels are going to be doing this "standing" and next comes the issue of whether they can actually "stand"....

What constitutes "standing", must there be feet touching the pin? Can the angels stand one on top of the other and have this count? or must some part of them actually be touching said pin?

These matters are of the uptmost importance as we may have differnet traditions about pins and standing on pins....

though Eastern Orthodox are very very good at standing... we stand a lot..... some of us stand for all of our Divine Liturgy and other services and prayers....

In my parish we have one toilet... so sometimes we "stand on pins and needles" while waiting in line for the the toilet... but ... are we "angelic" while doing so?

 

[Servus Iesu]

hmmm

This is very interesting, but I need more information: What kind of a pin is it? Do you have a brand name?

Which of the differnet kind of angels are going to be doing this "standing" and next comes the issue of whether they can actually "stand"....

What constitutes "standing", must there be feet touching the pin? Can the angels stand one on top of the other and have this count? or must some part of them actually be touching said pin?

These matters are of the uptmost importance as we may have differnet traditions about pins and standing on pins....

though Eastern Orthodox are very very good at standing... we stand a lot..... some of us stand for all of our Divine Liturgy and other services and prayers....

In my parish we have one toilet... so sometimes we "stand on pins and needles" while waiting in line for the the toilet... but ... are we "angelic" while doing so?

You've gotten into the spirit of things quickly. Before addressing question A I think proper deliberation will have to be given to each of the considerations you've raised.

Here is a legitimate pop question. Can you name the nine choirs of angels?

 

[Servus Iesu]

By the way, I do think this is a good idea, though personally I enjoy obscure intellectual ruminations about angelology, anthropology, and philosophy (east v. west worldview). It is also good to put up a 'united front' so to speak in GT, if you so chose to participate in that place. To a certain degree I am happy when a Protestant converts to the EO (though obviously I'd prefer they be Roman Catholic, and better still traditional Roman Catholic), because with the spiritual weapons of confession, penance, and the eucharist I believe that people stand an infinitely better chance of surviving Judgement Day.

We should probably have a Catholic and an Orthodox moderator for these friendly discussions. Then supposing the conversation becomes heated, as far-out as such a possibility may seem now, the mods could close it down for a cooling off period.

 

[Akathist]

I am EO and I mod here and I have an RC who is on the Love Team who I consult with as needed.

 

[EricTheRed]

good idea for a thread. EO and RC can vent there arguements here and not do it in front of the protestants

 

[Adammi]

Rather than the typical filioque or papal primacy debate, I propose a deeper and more intellectually rivoting topic. Remember to back your opinion with quotes from the fathers. With that said, here goes:





How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?

Only one (if it's a really big angel) LOL.

 

[redMountian]

Standing on a pin sounds painful (even for an angel),especially if it was a thick pin with a small base. Then, it'd be extra painful and hard to remove. Wouldn't an angel(s) just pick it up and put it in a safe place? The next question then is, how would they pick it up, where would they put it, and how many angels are needed?

 

[Turtledove]

How many angels can stand on the head of a pin?

Hmmmmm--pure spirit-- wouldn't you need feet or legs to stand?

So wouldn't the question be "How many angels can appear on the head of a pin" ?

Obviously, as many as were assigned to the task ;o

 

[Rdr Iakovos]

Hi:
Actually, St Ephraim spoke on this matter, in his commentary on Mark- specifically, the passage on man possessed by Legion.

He noted that 200o demons resided within that one man, and said, in essence, that the redeemed spirits of men, and those of angels, are of a finer 'stuff.' He suggested that in fact those in heaven could be considered to be everywhere at once, yet all together in a single point.

Since we know that time and space are intimately intertwined, it is fair to suggest that those who transcend time also transcend space.

But the best answer to the question has already been offered: the number of angels on the head of a pin would be exactly as many as were sent to do so.