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Who exactly is taking advantage of making diagnoses of 'mental illness'?
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Who exactly is taking advantage of making diagnoses of 'mental illness'?Of course it is you that takes advantage.
Not really. Sex is more of a spectrum than an absolute. Shades of gray, rather than absolutely black and absolutely white. Men and women each have varying levels of testosterone and estrogen. It isn't that men only have testosterone or that women have only estrogen. Then it is further complicated by hormone receptors and expressions.If there is no third sex, we have to conclude that sex is binary. It isn't trinary, or something else.
By "binary" do you mean completely one or completely the other? This or that, not bits of both?The far-left makes claims like "biological sex isn't binary", or "sex is a social construct" --that stuff is complete nonsense
Yeah, I pretty sure that is what I said. Are you too stubborn to agree?a woman who does not produce eggs, because of an anatomical issue, disease, etc. is still a woman by virtue of chromosomes, genitalia, muscular-skeletal arrangement, etc. We don't say to a woman who cannot produce eggs "you are neither male nor female"
Social terms tend to be more vague and nebulous than scientific terms. Some people can deal with ambiguity more easily than others who need certainty.as far as "gender" goes, it is this nebulous term that is thrown around without any strict definition. It means one thing today, and something else tomorrow, depending on context and intention.
You are under no obligation to acknowledge anything. However, I find it helpful in this life to understand something before dismissing it out of hand - especially bothersome things.There is no such thing as "transgendered". There is such a thing as gender dysphoria, neurosis, and psychosis. Transgenderism is ideology not science, and I am under absolutely no obligation to respect, or even acknowledge a given ideology.
Yes, that's the problem with excepting transgendered people.Because the minute I go down that rabbit hole, people will start claiming they are cats, or space aliens, and start asking for litter boxes or special alien bathrooms.
Well when people believe they are something other than what they are for many millenia has been acknowledged as a delusion. It is you saying,,, oh no in this one instance it is not.Who exactly is taking advantage of making diagnoses of 'mental illness'?
Perhaps sexual preference...at odds with their genitalia. Things like sexual preferences, emotional responses, social behavior, preferences in occupational and social roles, the totality of traits that for most of us are generally associated with "man" or "woman" over and above their genitalia.
Isn't this true of delusional persons as well?Perhaps sexual preference
However, mankind is gender neutral as to "emotional responses, social behavior, preferences in occupational and social roles, the totality of traits generally associated with "man or woman"
Again, who is the "we" in your above statement. The parents should do this, not the "we/state". Barring seeking help for some abnormality/mental illness etc.What we are talking about is kids and how we are to prepare them for life in a world where gender non-conforming people exist, where they might themselves be gender nonconforming in some way.
So you are saying that the gender conformity you require is a biological reality. How does that work? The gay guy is a sinner, but the straight guy who is swishy is mentally ill? Or is he a sinner, too, for not being "manly" enough. Maybe if he was swishy on purpose...? No, you're going to have to explain it betterWell when people believe they are something other than what they are for many millenia has been acknowledged as a delusion. It is you saying,,, oh no in this one instance it is not.
It may be a reality for those that believe it, but it does not make it true to the sexual/gender biological reality.
Unfortunately, the Christian church is not neutral.Perhaps sexual preference
However, mankind is gender neutral as to "emotional responses, social behavior, preferences in occupational and social roles, the totality of traits generally associated with "man or woman"
So you are saying that the gender conformity you require is a biological reality. How does that work? The gay guy is a sinner, but the straight guy who is swishy is mentally ill? Or is he a sinner, too, for not being "manly" enough. Maybe if he was swishy on purpose...? No, you're going to have to explain it better
I wasn't talking about any laws, except those you might want to pass to have gender nonconformity treated as a mental illness on no more grounds, apparently, than that it is a Christian sin.What law do you believe needs changed?
I'm not seeing what laws your concerned about ..
Gender is a made up modern idea. It is you attempting to make others conform to your ideas.So you are saying that the gender conformity you require is a biological reality. How does that work? The gay guy is a sinner, but the straight guy who is swishy is mentally ill? Or is he a sinner, too, for not being "manly" enough. Maybe if he was swishy on purpose...? No, you're going to have to explain it better
I wasn't talking about any laws, except those you might want to pass to have gender nonconformity treated as a mental illness on no more grounds, apparently, than that it is a Christian sin.
OK, so it's a made up modern idea. What about it? What about the actual people involved? Why is a little boy, say, who likes to play with girls' toys rather than boys' such a problem for you that you want to designate him mentally ill? What should I do about my daughter who is a 40 year old journeyman machinist and shop foreman and has no interest in marriage and kids? Put her in a loony bin for her nonconformity to the Christian female role model?Gender is a made up modern idea. It is you attempting to make others conform to your ideas.
Mental disorders exist. Some are manifest sexually. We see people hearing voices talking to those voices. They are real, they do hear voices. Is there anyone there in reality? Should we acknowledge their reality by saying Yes, there is someone there you are hearing? Some delusions are basically harmless, some are not.
I didn't say that, you did. So what if a little boy does that?OK, so it's a made up modern idea. What about it? What about the actual people involved? Why is a little boy, say, who likes to play with girls' toys rather than boys' such a problem for you that you want to designate him mentally ill?
Your daughter is 40 years old. Why should you do anything?What should I do about my daughter who is a 40 year old journeyman machinist and shop foreman and has no interest in marriage and kids? Put her in a loony bin for her nonconformity to the Christian female role model?
"Not really. Sex is more of a spectrum than an absolute. Shades of gray, rather than absolutely black and absolutely white."Not really. Sex is more of a spectrum than an absolute. Shades of gray, rather than absolutely black and absolutely white. Men and women each have varying levels of testosterone and estrogen. It isn't that men only have testosterone or that women have only estrogen. Then it is further complicated by hormone receptors and expressions.
By "binary" do you mean completely one or completely the other? This or that, not bits of both?
I believe the expression is that "gender is a social construct" not "sex". Would you go as far as that, gender instead of sex?
Yeah, I pretty sure that is what I said. Are you too stubborn to agree?
Social terms tend to be more vague and nebulous than scientific terms. Some people can deal with ambiguity more easily than others who need certainty.
You are under no obligation to acknowledge anything. However, I find it helpful in this life to understand something before dismissing it out of hand - especially bothersome things.
Yes, that's the problem with excepting transgendered people.
OK, so it's a made up modern idea. What about it? What about the actual people involved? Why is a little boy, say, who likes to play with girls' toys rather than boys' such a problem for you that you want to designate him mentally ill? What should I do about my daughter who is a 40 year old journeyman machinist and shop foreman and has no interest in marriage and kids? Put her in a loony bin for her nonconformity to the Christian female role model?
I am the poor. Dirt poor. As I already laid out in this thread. What's said is making ignorant assumptions about people and then attacking them.Those aren't terms I would think or use on anyone. You seem to have internalized some hatred and blame towards the poor. That's sad.
The affordable care act left me without health insurance for several years.See the Affordable Care Act.
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