OCD and the Unforgivable Sin

[AlwaysAnxious]

I know there are tons of posts here on this topic, but here's yet another one. I should probably start by saying I have never been diagnosed with OCD as I have never sought treatment; however, I tend to get a thought stuck in my head and it plays on repeat. Earlier this year I was convinced I had cancer because I had a bump on my neck. I worried for months. Then I remembered my senior year of high school I ran a cross country meet and my bib number was 666, so I was convinced I was going to hell for taking the mark of the beast. Then I was reading my Bible about the unpardonable sin and the Pharisees words were the ones my mind decided to fixate on. Now I can't get rid of the blasphemous thoughts. I think I may have even spoken them under my breath. I'm pretty sure I've blown my chance at eternal life....

 

[DeerGlow]

I know there are tons of posts here on this topic, but here's yet another one. I should probably start by saying I have never been diagnosed with OCD as I have never sought treatment; however, I tend to get a thought stuck in my head and it plays on repeat. Earlier this year I was convinced I had cancer because I had a bump on my neck. I worried for months. Then I remembered my senior year of high school I ran a cross country meet and my bib number was 666, so I was convinced I was going to hell for taking the mark of the beast. Then I was reading my Bible about the unpardonable sin and the Pharisees words were the ones my mind decided to fixate on. Now I can't get rid of the blasphemous thoughts. I think I may have even spoken them under my breath. I'm pretty sure I've blown my chance at eternal life....

It's hard. Are you new to CF?

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

It's hard. Are you new to CF?

Yes.

 

[Bluerose31]

I know there are tons of posts here on this topic, but here's yet another one. I should probably start by saying I have never been diagnosed with OCD as I have never sought treatment; however, I tend to get a thought stuck in my head and it plays on repeat. Earlier this year I was convinced I had cancer because I had a bump on my neck. I worried for months. Then I remembered my senior year of high school I ran a cross country meet and my bib number was 666, so I was convinced I was going to hell for taking the mark of the beast. Then I was reading my Bible about the unpardonable sin and the Pharisees words were the ones my mind decided to fixate on. Now I can't get rid of the blasphemous thoughts. I think I may have even spoken them under my breath. I'm pretty sure I've blown my chance at eternal life....

Praying for you

 

[DeerGlow]

Yes.

I joined to ask about this personally. Welcome to CF. I still fear condemnation but it's getting better.

 

[JackRT]

I'm pretty sure I've blown my chance at eternal life....

That statement proves that you have not.

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

That statement proves that you have not.

I definitely don't want to argue, but doesn't it say that speaking against the Holy Spirit won't ever be forgiven...?

 

[CodyFaith]

You haven't. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not that easy or simple to do. It's not just saying a couple of words, nor thinking a couple of thoughts - especially thoughts and words that are OCD like behavior.

You wouldn't be worried about doing it if you had done it. You wouldn't be seeking the God of Israel and Christ as much as you are. You are probably already saved, a child of the Most High (I say probably because I don't know you nor am I in a place to judge such things, but God knows).

I notice the people most worried are the one's who want to be justified in God's sight, loved eternally and forgiven of their sins. They want the comfort of knowing that when they slip up, grace will find them. It's not just about not burning forever, it's about what they would miss out on - the love and good things from God.

All of these desires are good desires, very good desires.

I'm not really trying to convince you in this moment, because I understand it's often a relentless worry with very little or no comfort, but hopefully they will start to sit with you and you'll stop worrying in time the more you hear things like this.

I used to struggle with this very much as a teen. Very much. God delivered me from it, and He can and most likely will one day deliver you from it. Just put your hope in Him and surround yourself with love. Love others, seek a deeper relationship with God always. You're not condemned.

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

You haven't. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not that easy or simple to do. It's not just saying a couple of words, nor thinking a couple of thoughts - especially thoughts and words that are OCD like behavior.

You wouldn't be worried about doing it if you had done it. You wouldn't be seeking the God of Israel and Christ as much as you are. You are probably already saved, a child of the Most High (I say probably because I don't know you nor am I in a place to judge such things, but God knows).

I notice the people most worried are the one's who want to be justified in God's sight, loved eternally and forgiven of their sins. They want the comfort of knowing that when they slip up, grace will find them. It's not just about not burning forever, it's about what they would miss out on - the love and good things from God.

All of these desires are good desires, very good desires.

I'm not really trying to convince you in this moment, because I understand it's often a relentless worry with very little or no comfort, but hopefully they will start to sit with you and you'll stop worrying in time the more you hear things like this.

I used to struggle with this very much as a teen. Very much. God delivered me from it, and He can and most likely will one day deliver you from it. Just put your hope in Him and surround yourself with love. Love others, seek a deeper relationship with God always. You're not condemned.

Yes. I was saved just recently. And it was after that the attacks started.

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I know there are tons of posts here on this topic, but here's yet another one. I should probably start by saying I have never been diagnosed with OCD as I have never sought treatment; however, I tend to get a thought stuck in my head and it plays on repeat. Earlier this year I was convinced I had cancer because I had a bump on my neck. I worried for months. Then I remembered my senior year of high school I ran a cross country meet and my bib number was 666, so I was convinced I was going to hell for taking the mark of the beast. Then I was reading my Bible about the unpardonable sin and the Pharisees words were the ones my mind decided to fixate on. Now I can't get rid of the blasphemous thoughts. I think I may have even spoken them under my breath. I'm pretty sure I've blown my chance at eternal life....

You are being attacked in your mind by a demonic lying spirit. The Holy Spirit always works within the fruit of the Spirit outlined in Galatians 5. The Holy Spirit never condemns. He may convict of wrong doing and always points the person to Christ and to God's throne of grace to find mercy and help in his time of trouble. He never leaves you in a state of condemnation. The Holy Spirit does not instill fear or depression in a person. Therefore, the thoughts are not from the Holy Spirit. If they are from another spirit, and we know that the devil is a liar, then you can treat these thoughts and impressions as outright lies to draw you away from faith in Christ. You need to say to these thoughts: "I am a child of God and the devil cannot come near me. Therefore I say to these thoughts, get away from me in the Name of Jesus and through the power of His blood." You will find then that these thoughts will no longer have power over you.

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

You are being attacked in your mind by a demonic lying spirit. The Holy Spirit always works within the fruit of the Spirit outlined in Galatians 5. The Holy Spirit never condemns. He may convict of wrong doing and always points the person to Christ and to God's throne of grace to find mercy and help in his time of trouble. He never leaves you in a state of condemnation. The Holy Spirit does not instill fear or depression in a person. Therefore, the thoughts are not from the Holy Spirit. If they are from another spirit, and we know that the devil is a liar, then you can treat these thoughts and impressions as outright lies to draw you away from faith in Christ. You need to say to these thoughts: "I am a child of God and the devil cannot come near me. Therefore I say to these thoughts, get away from me in the Name of Jesus and through the power of His blood." You will find then that these thoughts will no longer have power over you.

I definitely don't want them to have any power over me, but I can't bear the thought of losing eternal life because I said something I didn't mean...

 

[Presbyterian Continuist]

I definitely don't want them to have any power over me, but I can't bear the thought of losing eternal life because I said something I didn't mean...

You can't lose your eternal life over something you might have said in the heat of a moment, and especially during a demonic attack. The foundation of your salvation is on Christ and not on your ability to say everything right. You are saved by faith in Christ alone. As long as you continue to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He rose from the dead, you are totally saved. Just because we get wounded during a demonic attack and cry out in pain, doesn't mean that we are sentenced to death. The problem with the Church in many cases is that it tends to shoot its wounded instead of working to heal them.

The devil has come to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus has come to give us life, and once He has given it, He doesn't take it away. Any thought or person who says otherwise is a lying dog! (That's how Paul referred to liars and false teachers).

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

You can't lose your eternal life over something you might have said in the heat of a moment, and especially during a demonic attack. The foundation of your salvation is on Christ and not on your ability to say everything right. You are saved by faith in Christ alone. As long as you continue to believe that Jesus is the Son of God and that He rose from the dead, you are totally saved. Just because we get wounded during a demonic attack and cry out in pain, doesn't mean that we are sentenced to death. The problem with the Church in many cases is that it tends to shoot its wounded instead of working to heal them.

The devil has come to steal, kill and destroy, but Jesus has come to give us life, and once He has given it, He doesn't take it away. Any thought or person who says otherwise is a lying dog! (That's how Paul referred to liars and false teachers).

I guess it wouldn't bother me as much if it weren't exactly what the Pharisees had said....

 

[S.O.J.I.A.]

the unpardonable sin has to do with sinning against knowledge. an outright rejection of what you know to be true(Hebrews 10:26-29).

Jesus says these things after the Pharisees saw him perform a miracle that outright proved he was who he said he was and instead of admitting it they charged Him with doing things under the power of demons. they made a judgement of outright rejection of what they then knew, not out of ignorance.

it is a sin worthy of repentance to say anything blasphemous against any of the members of the triune God but such is not unpardonable.

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

You haven't. Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit is not that easy or simple to do. It's not just saying a couple of words, nor thinking a couple of thoughts - especially thoughts and words that are OCD like behavior.

You wouldn't be worried about doing it if you had done it. You wouldn't be seeking the God of Israel and Christ as much as you are. You are probably already saved, a child of the Most High (I say probably because I don't know you nor am I in a place to judge such things, but God knows).

I notice the people most worried are the one's who want to be justified in God's sight, loved eternally and forgiven of their sins. They want the comfort of knowing that when they slip up, grace will find them. It's not just about not burning forever, it's about what they would miss out on - the love and good things from God.

All of these desires are good desires, very good desires.

I'm not really trying to convince you in this moment, because I understand it's often a relentless worry with very little or no comfort, but hopefully they will start to sit with you and you'll stop worrying in time the more you hear things like this.

I used to struggle with this very much as a teen. Very much. God delivered me from it, and He can and most likely will one day deliver you from it. Just put your hope in Him and surround yourself with love. Love others, seek a deeper relationship with God always. You're not condemned.

I wish I wasn't struggling like this, but I just can't seem to get it out of my head...I'm physically sick about it.

 

[CodyFaith]

I wish I wasn't struggling like this, but I just can't seem to get it out of my head...I'm physically sick about it.

I know, I understand and can relate. When I was 17/18 it was in my mind and feelings of guilt and terror constantly. I'd search scripture daily for some type of assurance, ask people I knew who were close to me and Christian for advice. Couldn't find an answer.

But it went away. In time those feelings went away. I think the more you grow closer and walk with God, and the more He starts to show you over time the easier it gets. It just takes time sometimes. Remember, God can change even the most dreadful looking situations in a snap of His fingers.

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

I know, I understand and can relate. When I was 17/18 it was in my mind and feelings of guilt and terror constantly. I'd search scripture daily for some type of assurance, ask people I knew who were close to me and Christian for advice. Couldn't find an answer.

But it went away. In time those feelings went away. I think the more you grow closer and walk with God, and the more He starts to show you over time the easier it gets. It just takes time sometimes. Remember, God can change even the most dreadful looking situations in a snap of His fingers.

Even though I said what the Pharisees said?! I don't believe it like they did, but I still did it.....

 

[CodyFaith]

Even though I said what the Pharisees said?! I don't believe it like they did, but I still did it.....

Like you said, you didn't mean it like they did. I'd also like to add that the unpardonable sin is not just mere words, it's a person who has made an eternal choice... it's a big deal, it's not something you can just "walk into" or randomly be going about your business and just blaspheme one day.
No, it didn't come up suddenly - the Pharisees were wicked. Completely depraved. Christ referred to them as vipers, etc.

You're most likely saved imo and you aren't close to the unpardonable sin. Your fruits show this.

 

[PKFox]

Even though I said what the Pharisees said?! I don't believe it like they did, but I still did it.....

It's more about what you believe in your heart than what you say with your words. People say things that can be forgiven, but a heart that rejects him is what's unforgivable.
I understand the fear that you won't get into heaven, but I think that comes from (a lot of times) the fact that no one can be welcomed into heaven without God's forgiveness and grace that He freely gives to anyone willing to accept it. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7. Ask for God's grace and mercy, and you receive it and are welcomed into His kingdom and family.

Praying for you, and welcome to CF.

 

[AlwaysAnxious]

It's more about what you believe in your heart than what you say with your words. People say things that can be forgiven, but a heart that rejects him is what's unforgivable.
I understand the fear that you won't get into heaven, but I think that comes from (a lot of times) the fact that no one can be welcomed into heaven without God's forgiveness and grace that He freely gives to anyone willing to accept it. "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you." Matthew 7:7. Ask for God's grace and mercy, and you receive it and are welcomed into His kingdom and family.

Praying for you, and welcome to CF.

I keep hearing that. But some places say after you say it, you're done.