Ocasio-Cortez not practicing what she is preaching!

[GlabrousDory4]

I wonder how much the opposition research on Cortez is costing.

Not enough! She is an existential threat to all America holds dear.

So far they've "caught" her.

Wearing woman's clothing.

Carrying a hand bag.

Normally that's enough to keep someone's hands off the reins of power.

Dancing.

I found that VERY unappealing. Thank god there are no conservatives who do silly things. This is why our government should be all very old white men. They NEVER do anything embarrassing.

And now her miniscule $194000 primary campaign missing a monthly payment on workers comp and paying the appropriate fine.

I'm not going so far as to say her campaign didn't deserve some blame for this oversight. But it does seem like the GOP and the Right are expending a HUGE effort to ensure she is buried under every jot and tittle of things they can pick on her for while their guy apparently had every one of his buddies on their knees to Putin to help get him elected.

But, fair's fair. The President of the USA might be guilty of numerous crimes (tax fraud, fraud in general, maybe even FEC violations etc.) so we need to be reminded that Ocasio-Cortez is also EXACTLY AS CORRUPT as Trump. EXACTLY. There is ZERO DIFFERENCE between them.

Except Trump is good. Ocasio-Cortez is bent on the destruction of all that is America.

 

[tulc]

I honestly don’t know if you can lay this at her feet. She has a staff and someone didn’t do their due diligence in setting up the business end of it properly.

This is someone who has never had employees and I think we have to cut her some slack. It is not hypocrisy, it is not having people around you who know the basics.

...let the word go forth, the end is indeed nigh: I totally agree with hislegacy in this post.
tulc(well said!)

 

[Douger]

Nah. Let them send me a message. I will be OK. Thanks for the heads up though.

Maybe you should stay off Christian Forums if you intend to use foul language and disregard the rules.
I haven't reported you, nor will I, I simply ask you to take the personal responsibility to be respectful of this online community if you intend to post here.

 

[SolomonVII]

Her socialism is not a threat because her solutions of taxing the rich seventy percent is insufficient funding. If people want European socialism, they will have to pay seventy percent taxes across the board, and not just limit that rate to the rich.
Americans tend not to vote for tax increases for themselves like that, and to the extent that she is not proposing that kind of taxation, her ideals, like her dancing, have all the appeal and substance of a dream.

 

[DanishLutheran]

I honestly don’t know if you can lay this at her feet. She has a staff and someone didn’t do their due diligence in setting up the business end of it properly.

This is someone who has never had employees and I think we have to cut her some slack. It is not hypocrisy, it is not having people around you who know the basics.

No.
Her being who she is means that we do NOT have to cut her some slack when she does not practise what she preaches, and when she wants to impose her radicalism on everyone else.
The fact that she's apparently too incompetent to see her own hypocrisy just underlines the point that she should have stayed behind the bar she was tending

it's hilarious that folks want to point to a third world country like Venezuela that has a one trick pony economy rather than the numerous successful European countries. It's almost as if they don't understand socialism.

No, it's as if they actually understand socialism, because they realize that there are no socialist countries in Europe.
The last socialist country on our continent was Albania who gave up in the early 90s, just a couple of years after the largest of the socialist countries, the USSR, had to abandon socialism.

And nearly everything OAC is advocating. It's almost as if socialism and small government can coexist.

Except no, it can't.
Socialism is the intermediary state between capitalism and the communist utopia - the part of a society's development where it still needs the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (under the Party's leadership, of course) to steer it towards the communist utopia.

To say that socialism and "small government" can coexist is just as nonsensical as to say that human life and cyanide can coexist.
They are eachothers' antithesis. You can have one, but not the other.

And what socialism does to a country that adopts it, is plainly obvious from history. Most recently Venezuela which is now a third world country where starvation is a reality, from having been one of the richest countries in South America.

 

[tulc]

(snip)
To say that socialism and "small government" can coexist is just as nonsensical as to say that human life and cyanide can coexist.
They are eachothers' antithesis. You can have one, but not the other. (emph. added) (snip)

CDC | Facts About Cyanide

• Cyanide is released from natural substances in some foods and in certain plants such as cassava, lima beans and almonds. Pits and seeds of common fruits, such as apricots, apples, and peaches, may have substantial amounts of chemicals which are metabolized to cyanide. The edible parts of these plants contain much lower amounts of these chemicals.
• Cyanide is contained in cigarette smoke and the combustion products of synthetic materials such as plastics. Combustion products are substances given off when things burn.

• In manufacturing, cyanide is used to make paper, textiles, and plastics. It is present in the chemicals used to develop photographs. Cyanide salts are used in metallurgy for electroplating, metal cleaning, and removing gold from its ore. Cyanide gas is used to exterminate pests and vermin in ships and buildings.

So...you don't have apples, apricots, peaches, lima beans, almonds, paper, textiles or plastics where you live? No one smokes?
tulc(thinks DanishLutheran may want to rethink that whole "human life and cyanide" riff)

 

[DanishLutheran]

CDC | Facts About Cyanide

You knew perfectly well what the point was, so relate to that, please.

 

[tulc]

You knew perfectly well what the point was, so relate to that, please.

If the point was "small government and socialism can't exist any more then human life can exist with cyanide" then I'd have to say I just showed that humans and cyanide have existed quite well together for a great many years. Maybe small government and socialism can as well?
tulc(thinks it's not his fault DanishLutheran chose a bad analogy to make his point)

 

[cow451]

No.
Her being who she is means that we do NOT have to cut her some slack when she does not practise what she preaches, and when she wants to impose her radicalism on everyone else.
The fact that she's apparently too incompetent to see her own hypocrisy just underlines the point that she should have stayed behind the bar she was tending



No, it's as if they actually understand socialism, because they realize that there are no socialist countries in Europe.
The last socialist country on our continent was Albania who gave up in the early 90s, just a couple of years after the largest of the socialist countries, the USSR, had to abandon socialism.



Except no, it can't.
Socialism is the intermediary state between capitalism and the communist utopia - the part of a society's development where it still needs the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (under the Party's leadership, of course) to steer it towards the communist utopia.

To say that socialism and "small government" can coexist is just as nonsensical as to say that human life and cyanide can coexist.
They are eachothers' antithesis. You can have one, but not the other.

And what socialism does to a country that adopts it, is plainly obvious from history. Most recently Venezuela which is now a third world country where starvation is a reality, from having been one of the richest countries in South America.

Thanks for your input. She’s growing on me.

 

[JackRT]

Why is this person such a target of the GOP these days? Could be a number of reasons:
--- she is female
--- she is young
--- she is Democratic
--- she is a Representative in Congress
--- she is Hispanic
Taken individually all of these are positive qualities. But put them all together it makes sense that so many Republicans hate her --- she is a threat to government by rich old white males.

 

[hislegacy]

My personal opinion from what I have read of AOC critics on both sides.

Never mentioned from any of her detractors on either side:

--- she is female
--- she is young
--- she is Democratic
--- she is a Representative in Congress
--- she is Hispanic

What I have heard:

—- She cannot substantiate her claims
—- She attack’s anyone she doesn’t like
—- She speaks like a person with knowledge, but she’s away from questions.
—- she has no clue (yet) about how Congress works and doesn’t care to learn
—- She attack’s her own.

Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez

 

[jardiniere]

My personal opinion from what I have read of AOC critics on both sides.

Never mentioned from any of her detractors on either side:

--- she is female
--- she is young
--- she is Democratic
--- she is a Representative in Congress
--- she is Hispanic

What I have heard:

—- She cannot substantiate her claims
—- She attack’s anyone she doesn’t like
—- She speaks like a person with knowledge, but she’s away from questions.
—- she has no clue (yet) about how Congress works and doesn’t care to learn
—- She attack’s her own.

Exasperated Democrats try to rein in Ocasio-Cortez

Oh, dear heavens! She's the Democratic Trump!

 

[USincognito]

No, it's as if they actually understand socialism, because they realize that there are no socialist countries in Europe.
The last socialist country on our continent was Albania who gave up in the early 90s, just a couple of years after the largest of the socialist countries, the USSR, had to abandon socialism.

Thank you for demonstrating my point. You think, as your paragraph below shows, that there is only Marxist socialism as found in his economic interpretation of history. That is incorrect. I bet you've never even heard of John Stuart Mill.

Except no, it can't.
Socialism is the intermediary state between capitalism and the communist utopia - the part of a society's development where it still needs the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (under the Party's leadership, of course) to steer it towards the communist utopia.

Again, no. Not all socialism is Marxian socialism. There are numerous strains of socialism including Market Socialism and Democratic Socialism to the Nordic Model.
Market socialism - Wikipedia
Social democracy - Wikipedia
Nordic model - Wikipedia

{snip misconception based assertions}

 

[JackRT]

Thank you for demonstrating my point. You think, as your paragraph below shows, that there is only Marxist socialism as found in his economic interpretation of history. That is incorrect. I bet you've never even heard of John Stuart Mill.

Again, no. Not all socialism is Marxian socialism. There are numerous strains of socialism including Market Socialism and Democratic Socialism to the Nordic Model.
Market socialism - Wikipedia
Social democracy - Wikipedia
Nordic model - Wikipedia

{snip misconception based assertions}

I am sure you are as puzzled as I am as to why we need to keep pointing that out over and over ----- and over.

 

[USincognito]

I am sure you are as puzzled as I am as to why we need to keep pointing that out over and over ----- and over.

I'm not that puzzled. Americans have been fed a stead diet that the only form of socialism is that which is imposed by force when the Marxist proletariat take over and start the real revolution after they're in charge leaving the country an economically moribund wasteland of Stalinesque concrete block houses, dank, shuttered tractor factories and empty shelves and displays at the government run grocery store...

... for those who aren't put up against the wall and shot for having a business or owning a the means of production.

 

[iluvatar5150]

Oh, dear heavens! She's the Democratic Trump!

Beat me to it.

 

[Sparagmos]

Except no, it can't.
Socialism is the intermediary state between capitalism and the communist utopia - the part of a society's development where it still needs the Dictatorship of the Proletariat (under the Party's leadership, of course) to steer it towards the communist utopia.

To say that socialism and "small government" can coexist is just as nonsensical as to say that human life and cyanide can coexist.
They are eachothers' antithesis. You can have one, but not the other.

And what socialism does to a country that adopts it, is plainly obvious from history. Most recently Venezuela which is now a third world country where starvation is a reality, from having been one of the richest countries in South America.

That’s Marx’s socialism.

You’re just making this about semantics. Call it what you want; more pooling of resources is what we want and it’s working right now in many countries. We already do it with some things here in the U.S.

 

[GoldenBoy89]

—- She cannot substantiate her claims
—- She attack’s anyone she doesn’t like
—- She speaks like a person with knowledge, but she’s away from questions.
—- she has no clue (yet) about how Congress works and doesn’t care to learn
—- She attack’s her own.

Umm.. Uh.

Nevermind.

 

[DanishLutheran]

That’s Marx’s socialism.

Also known as socialism. Words have meanings, and those meanings are not just what happens to be convenient to your narrative.

You’re just making this about semantics.

No. Substance. Again: Words have meanings, and you can't just slap a word on whatever you want and pretend that's what it means.

Call it what you want; more pooling of resources is what we want and it’s working right now in many countries. We already do it with some things here in the U.S.

And, again, that isn't socialism. Socialism is as I described above.

 

[Sparagmos]

Also known as socialism. Words have meanings, and those meanings are not just what happens to be convenient to your narrative.



No. Substance. Again: Words have meanings, and you can't just slap a word on whatever you want and pretend that's what it means.



And, again, that isn't socialism. Socialism is as I described above.

Look, I’m a socialist and have studied economics. Studied Marx. Sat in rooms where socialists were having heated debates on which version is best. There are multiple schools of thought and different approaches within socialism. The word existed before Marx started using it, so to say that Marxist socialism is the only type is just silly.

Types of socialism - Wikipedia

I’ve attached a Wikipedia article to demonstrate that I am not making this up to fit a “narrative” or “pretending.”