Originally posted by Andrew
ntw: there are many testimonies in which the tongues of the tongue speaker was recognised by a native speaker of that language.
I don't question this. This is real.
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Originally posted by Andrew
ntw: there are many testimonies in which the tongues of the tongue speaker was recognised by a native speaker of that language.
Originally posted by AnnMercy2
This is my take on this subject... I fully believe in speaking in tongues. I don't have the gift myself, but I know several people who do including my mom. When she does speak in tongues in church, there is not always someone who interprets it outloud. If God sees fit to move on someone to speak in tongues, and there is noone who interrupts it outloud, then that tells me that someone there still can know what she is saying, God can interrupt the words into someones heart, silently. I don't do too much questioning when someone speaks in tongues, becasue there is usually somone there who knows exactly what she is saying and sometimes it just doesn't need interrupting. I have faith in God, that he knows exactly what he wants to say to someone, wether or not he wants someone there to intetpret it out loud or not is his decision. In my experience with this, when someone is speaking in tongues and there is no interpreter there, then usually if I look around and look closly enough to the people around, then there is someone or a couple someones sitting there with eyes closed, face toward heaven, tears streaming down face, and a look of peace on their face, then I know that God himself is interpreting his words to that person(s). And if someone is trying on their own, without God's spirit, to speak in tongues, my spirit usually knows this. It's up to God himself to decide if he wants an intrepreter there or not, it's not up to me to question that. The way I see it God gets his message out the way he wants it, and the others who don't understand what is being said, which I'm included in that group of nonunderstanding, then I figure that the message is not for me, but their is someone there for whom the message is for and I don't dare to second guess God. I wouldn't want to be the cause of someone not getting what message God wants them to have. To sum up my feelings on this I'll say this... It shouldn't matter if there is an interpreter there or not, God chooses whatever way he wants to convey his word, I for one am not questioning it
In Christ,
Anna
I hope everybody gets what I'm trying to say here, I'm not too good with putting things into words, maybe I need an interpreter Just joking, sorry couldn't resist. But sersiously, I do have a hard time putting thoughts into words sometimes, hope everybody gets what I'm trying to say, if not I'll think on it and try to explain another way
Originally posted by Jesusong
Alot of times you can tell if an utterance in tongues is someone praying fervently in the Spirit or actually delivering a message to the church. ( In my experiences anyway ) , when a message is given in tongues, an unusual hush falls over the church as we await the interpretation. Sometimes it doesn't come, usually because of fear of the person to whom the interpretation was given to. They're afraid that it might be the flesh speaking and not the "gift of interpretation," so they remain silent. In instances like this, the whole church misses out on a special blessing. When an interpretation is given "in the flesh," it is usually noticable. In situations like these the pastor will say something from the pulpit. somtimes it requires a "stepping out in faith" and letting God take the reins.
Originally posted by AnnMercy2
TO LouisBooth: This is exactly what I was trying to describe in my post, I guess I didn't do a very good job of that one, sorry bout that I just see it as if nobody steps out to intrepret the message that was given, then I think that God would do the interpretation silently to whomever the message was for if he chooses to do so.
Anna
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"But where I stop in with the mind I continue in the Spirit, with the speaking of tongues.
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As long as its not in public (ie you're not alone) then that's fine biblically.
"There are two types of tongues, one if for your spirit and God the other is for edification of the church by way of translation.
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That is not biblical. There is nothing in the bible that says there are 2 types of tongues or even anything implying it.
"Pray in tongues to yourself unless you think there is an interpreter."
Amen! This means the practice of a preacher saying, "lets all pray out loud in tongues now..." is a unbiblical practice. Great word there sun.
Originally posted by Andrew
"Have you, or anyone, recorded yourself speaking in tongues and then taken the recording to a college or something to try to have the language identified? This seems like a very easy thing to do, and would do a great deal to convince me or other skeptics of the authenticity of tongues. Has this been documented with any reliability?"
That's the thing you see. I read a book (And they Speak with Other Tongues, John L. Sherrill) where such a research is done. The problem is that there are thousands of languages in the world and at most, a linguist can recognise about 10. So even if you bring a tape recording to him, he may not recognise the language.
Also, dont forget that the Bible does say "tongues of men (known languages) and angels (unknown)" as well as "... he speaketh mysteries to God...and NO MAN understnds him..."
I would highly recommend you read these books if you can esp the first:
¥ And they Speak with Other Tongues by John L. Sherrill
¥ The beauty of Spiritual Language by Jack W. Hayford
Both authors (i think) were sceptics who set out to prove that tongues were false.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Sometimes it doesn't come, usually because of fear of the person to whom the interpretation was given to. "
Sorry, doesn't happen, where the presence of God is there is no fear. For tongues to manifest itself there MUST be an interpreter, or its wrong to go with it.
"If it is for both, wouldn't that mean there are two types of tongues?"
LOL that's like saying teachers MUST teach only one person in a different way then another teacher. Tongues has a duel purpose like any other gift. when I teach and use my gift I find that I am edified and I learn, but I also teach others.
"What does "I shall pray with the spirit, and I shall pray with the mind also" mean?"
Exactly what it says. It doesnt mean there are 2 types of tongues.
Originally posted by Defender of the Faith 777
I'm not sure if tongues has ceased. I do know that what happens in church where people babble is NOT speaking in tongues. According to Paul, there is one that needs to interpret. If there is no interpreter, THEY ARE TO KEEP SILENT.
And I have never seen an interpreter. On Channel 7 I used to see people scream and babble and slap each others foreheads running around, and at the end of the sermon, there were 17 people unconscious on the floor (exagerration). It's ridiculous how people interpret those verses.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Sorry, doesn't happen, where the presence of God is there is no fear. For tongues to manifest itself there MUST be an interpreter, or its wrong to go with it.
Originally posted by LouisBooth
"Are you saying the presence of God was not in these places? "
2Ti 1:7 For God hath not given us the spirit of fear; but of power, and of love, and of a sound mind.
I think God answers your question quite well. There is no fear where God is.