Objective evidence of God

[bhsmte]

God sent His Son to the Jews who were supposed to be his people and what did they do? They crucified him. Jesus showed them miracles. They all left him except for the twelve. So don't make me laugh.

Objective evidence. You have the gall to ask for evidence.

What have you ever done for God that he should consider you? Why doesn't God throw you into hell right now?

Looking at the reality of the world we live in, I could ask why the Christian God doesn't do a whole bunch of things, that would align with his description; all powerful, all loving, caring for all his creation.

Since reality doesn't reconcile with the christian God description, either God is not a personal God who gives a hoot what happens to people on our planet, or God does not exist. I have chosen the latter, based on the evidence.

 

[Queller]

No objective evidence supports or circumstantially supports or falsifies a subjective claim.

If I am parsing this correctly I agree. Which is why neither a tree nor the universe is objective evidence for God. The OP is asking for objective evidence for God. So far none has been presented.

 

[EternalDragon]

If I am parsing this correctly I agree. Which is why neither a tree nor the universe is objective evidence for God. The OP is asking for objective evidence for God. So far none has been presented.

So then you know exactly how a tree or the universe came to be? (observed, tested and repeated) I highly doubt that. So until you do, the existence of both can be evidence of intelligent design.

 

[Queller]

The claim was that it had a beginning. The Christian claims that the universe must have a beginning to support God's existence. That is the claim.

Great. But it is not an objective claim that universe is evidence for God.

How? I mean you can clearly claim that there is not sufficient evidence to support such a claim but what you are saying is false. How do you claim the conclusion is false.

No, the conclusion that the universe is objective evidence for God is what is false.

 

[MarkT]

The real question you should be asking yourselves is why has God endured man for so long. We don't deserve his kindness - disobedient, corrupt, evil, worst than savage, he will cut your head off if you insult his Prophet. Savage, cruel, a murderer, a liar, greedy, insatiable, full of himself, arrogant.

To stop Satan and his influence, God has to do what he doesn't want to do. He has to destroy the ungodly.

Don't rely on his patience for ever. The Day of the LORD comes cruel. None will escape.

 

[Loudmouth]

So then you know exactly how a tree or the universe came to be? (observed, tested and repeated) I highly doubt that. So until you do, the existence of both can be evidence of intelligent design.

It is funny that you don't apply the same standards to intelligent design as you do the rest of science. Where are the repeatedly observed and testable experiments that evidence intelligent design?

 

[Queller]

I do have reason. That is the point of the exercise. There is objective evidence that supports my claim. You may disagree with the claim and feel it is in error, but then we have to go on and see if I have reason to make the claim.

You don't have objective evidence for God. You have objective evidence for the universe. What you claim is objective evidence for God could just as easily be called objective evidence for Brahma.

 

[EternalDragon]

It is funny that you don't apply the same standards to intelligent design as you do the rest of science. Where are the repeatedly observed and testable experiments that evidence intelligent design?

It's been observed and written down. You just don't accept it and try not to see it.

 

[Loudmouth]

The real question you should be asking yourselves is why has God endured man for so long.

For the same reason Santa Claus has.

 

[Loudmouth]

It's been observed and written down. You just don't accept it and try not to see it.

Writing a story down in a book doesn't make it true. A story is not an observation. You know that, so why pretend otherwise?

 

[keith99]

God sent His Son to the Jews who were supposed to be his people and what did they do? They crucified him. Jesus showed them miracles. They all left him except for the twelve. So don't make me laugh.

Objective evidence. You have the gall to ask for evidence.

What have you ever done for God that he should consider you? Why doesn't God throw you into hell right now?

Good question, why doesn't God smite all the atheists'? Of course the answer that he does not exist comes to mind.

 

[bhsmte]

The real question you should be asking yourselves is why has God endured man for so long. We don't deserve his kindness - disobedient, corrupt, evil, worst than savage, he will cut your head off if you insult his Prophet. Savage, cruel, a murderer, a liar, greedy, insatiable, full of himself, arrogant.

To stop Satan and his influence, God has to do what he doesn't want to do. He has to destroy the ungodly.

Don't rely on his patience for ever. The Day of the LORD comes cruel. None will escape.

Is this why millions of children die a horrible death each year, because they are ungodly and he is teaching these children a lesson?

 

[Queller]

Lets break that down. I have emphasized the important points in your demand.

The claim was not that the universe exists. That is a strawman.

The claim is that the Christian Creation narrative claims that if God exists and created the universe it had a beginning. If the universe had a beginning that supports the claims and supports God's existence. There is objective, testable evidence supporting the universe had a beginning. The objective, testable evidence supports the existence of God.

Now you tell me how that is not exactly what you asked for. It is objective, testable evidence that points to the Christian God.

No, it isn't because your premises (that God exists, is capable of creating a universe, and DID in fact create the universe) are all subjective. That the universe exists is only objective evidence for the claim that the universe exists.

I see you also claim it is testable evidence. How do you test the idea that God made the universe?

 

[bhsmte]

No, it isn't because your premises (that God exists, is capable of creating a universe, and DID in fact create the universe) are all subjective. That the universe exists is only objective evidence for the claim that the universe exists.

I see you also claim it is testable evidence. How do you test the idea that God made the universe?

Never mind the fact that Once is using the Christian narrative as a basis for her assumption, which is loaded with holes in and of itself.

 

[Queller]

You're making a categorical mistake.

Put it this way. The existence of a house points to a builder.

OK, which builder?

 

[MarkT]

Looking at the reality of the world we live in, I could ask why the Christian God doesn't do a whole bunch of things, that would align with his description; all powerful, all loving, caring for all his creation.

Since reality doesn't reconcile with the christian God description, either God is not a personal God who gives a hoot what happens to people on our planet, or God does not exist. I have chosen the latter, based on the evidence.

You don't know the truth man. It's only out of love that he has endured your hatred and your insults. You see yourselves as good but you're not good. Man is evil. God isn't a man that he needs to answer to man. Look at the reality of the world you live in. You created it. You take evil for good and good for evil. What you have chosen is death.

 

[bhsmte]

You don't know the truth man. It's only out of love that he has endured your hatred and your insults. You see yourselves as good but you're not good. Man is evil. God isn't a man that he needs to answer to man. Look at the reality of the world you live in. You created it. You take evil for good and good for evil. What you have chosen is death.

I would rather God display his love and compassion to the millions of children who die from a horrible suffering death each year and answer the millions of prayers he receives each day to help these children, than for him to show love towards to me.

 

[Queller]

So then you know exactly how a tree or the universe came to be? (observed, tested and repeated) I highly doubt that.

Probably not the best argument to use. Have you observed, tested, and repeated God creating the universe?

So until you do, the existence of both can be evidence of intelligent design.

Maybe but they can't be OBJECTIVE evidence of intelligent design. They can only be subjective evidence. What the OP is asking for is OBJECTIVE evidence.

 

[Dizredux]

You don't know the truth man. It's only out of love that he has endured your hatred and your insults. You see yourselves as good but you're not good. Man is evil. God isn't a man that he needs to answer to man. Look at the reality of the world you live in. You created it. You take evil for good and good for evil. What you have chosen is death.

Just out of curiosity, does this description include you or was it aimed at just one individual?

If it was aimed at an individual you might take a look inside yourself and reflect on what you see in relation to your statement.

Dizredux

 

[MarkT]

Is this why millions of children die a horrible death each year, because they are ungodly and he is teaching these children a lesson?

You are the ungodly and you are teaching children your lessons.

Death came into the world because of sin. You hate God because death came into the world because of sin? God warned Eve she would die. Just like you she would not listen.