Objective evidence of God

[HitchSlap]

I don't hypothesize about how the universe made itself.

We seem to be talking past each other here. I'm not sure how much simpler I can make this. You claim your god created a universe. I'm asking how you would be able to demonstrate this objectively.

 

[ChetSinger]

That's strange. Many christians have told me that life begins at conception. Last I checked, conception does not involve God.

Uh, by 'begin' I was referring to abiogenesis, not birth.

 

[HitchSlap]

I'm too lazy to repeat myself. Perhaps you could you do a 'find posts' on my name.

Maybe he's asking again/again because you gave a non-answer? Just a thought.

 

[HitchSlap]

Uh, by 'begin' I was referring to abiogenesis, not birth.

What about abiogenesis?

 

[ChetSinger]

Which begs the question, given those who work in their relevant fields to increase our knowledge, why do you think they are overwhelmingly agnostic/atheist/nones?

I can't speak for others, but I received a BA in physics and remained a Christian.

 

[Loudmouth]

I'm too lazy to repeat myself. Perhaps you could you do a 'find posts' on my name.

I have yet to see anyone in this thread offer anything but empty assertions, including your posts.

You made the claim that life is too complicated to emerge from natural processes. You never supplied evidence that this was the case, and you never offered any evidence that life was produced by a deity.

 

[ChetSinger]

What about abiogenesis?

What about it?

 

[Loudmouth]

Uh, by 'begin' I was referring to abiogenesis, not birth.

Let's turn the question around.

We have never seen life being created by a deity. Therefore, this is evidence that life arose through abiogenesis.

Do you accept this as a valid argument?

 

[ChetSinger]

Let's turn the question around.

We have never seen life being created by a deity. Therefore, this is evidence that life arose through abiogenesis.

Do you accept this as a valid argument?

No, I don't think so, because abiogenesis would be accomplished in the natural world so it's likelihood can be measured and treated scientifically.

The Bible says that the creation of life on Earth was a singular event that happened once in the past, so I wouldn't expect to see God creating life now.

So I think that what we see now matches with the Bible says: there is no new life being created right now, either by abiogenesis or by God. But the construction of a cell is not feasible naturalistically, thus supplying evidence for God.

 

[CabVet]

the construction of a cell is not feasible naturalistically, thus supplying evidence for God.

I think it supplies evidence for Zeus.

 

[CabVet]

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The physical universe includes the forces that hold it together, the laws that govern motion, gravity, etc.

Everything that exists came into existence by the word of God, by his knowledge, by his understanding, and one day it is going to dissolve into nothingness.

BTW that's a prediction not a hypothesis.

I say it was all Thor, or was it Zeus?

 

[Loudmouth]

No, I don't think so, because abiogenesis would be accomplished in the natural world so it's likelihood can be measured and treated scientifically.

A tacit admission that creation by God is not being treated scientifically or objectively.

Also, I have yet to see any probability calculations for abiogenesis, and frankly I don't see how they could be calculated since we don't have any clue as to all of the potential pathways for abiogenesis.

The Bible says that the creation of life on Earth was a singular event that happened once in the past, so I wouldn't expect to see God creating life now.

What objective evidence supports what the Bible claims?

So I think that what we see now matches with the Bible says: there is no new life being created right now, either by abiogenesis or by God. But the construction of a cell is not feasible naturalistically, thus supplying evidence for God.

You have yet to show that it isn't feasible naturally, and you have supplied zero evidence that God did anything.

 

[CabVet]

What objective evidence supports what the Bible claims?

Didn't you know? The Bible is the word of God! And how do I know it is the word of God? Because it says so in the Bible!

 

[Oncedeceived]

That is a true statement. There wasn't any hydrogen or helium until after our universe came into existence.

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow: "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion. It was literally the moment of Creation. ...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

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Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium
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[CabVet]

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow: "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion. It was literally the moment of Creation. ...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium
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And that's as much evidence for the existence of Zeus as it is for the existence of God.

 

[Old Ned]

Any results?.... Nope.

Clearly we all have to agree that there is no testable, objective evidence for god.

32 pages and nothing more than quotes and stories.

A simple "No" would suffice.

 

[Loudmouth]

Astrophysicist Robert Jastrow: "The seed of everything that has happened in the Universe was planted in that first instant; every star, every planet and every living creature in the Universe came into being as a result of events that were set in motion in the moment of the cosmic explosion. It was literally the moment of Creation. ...The Universe flashed into being, and we cannot find out what caused that to happen."

[FONT=Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][SIZE=-1]According to most astrophysicists, all the matter found in the universe today -- including the matter in people, plants, animals, the earth, stars, and galaxies -- was created at the very first moment of time, thought to be about 13 billion years ago.

Origins: CERN: Ideas: The Big Bang | Exploratorium
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Still waiting to see objective evidence that God did anything.

"I don't know" does not equal "God did it".

Also, there was matter, but no hydrogen or helium which is the stuff that stars are made of.

 

[MarkT]

You don't hypothesize about how the universe was created by God, either. You simple assert it and then refuse to test the hypothesis with evidence when asked to.

God told us through Jesus Christ that he created the universe. Read the Bible.

 

[Loudmouth]

God told us through Jesus Christ that he created the universe. Read the Bible.

Where is the objective evidence to back up this claim?

 

[Subduction Zone]

God told us through Jesus Christ that he created the universe. Read the Bible.

And the Vedas say that Shiva did it.

The Vedas also predate the Bible.

So which one do you believe and why?