Obedience to the word of God is NOT optional -if we persist in disobedience we are not saved

[Si_monfaith]

Here:

So I say live by the spirit and you will not gratify the desires of the sinful nature.
For the sinful nature desires what is contrary to the spirit, and the spirit what is contrary to the sinful nature.
They are in conflict with each other so that you do not do what you want
Gal5:16&17

That is for those who do not believe that their flesh is crucified with Jesus 2000 yrs back.

 

[stuart lawrence]

You must read galat 5:24 for victorious life.

Jesus did not die to leave you in the miserable state of having to sin, confess them, and still proclaim no penalty when you lose peace on a regular basis.

You are purchasing peace by your works of sin confessions !! This is miserable.

Your pie in the sky attitude is just that.

I guess you believe the man who slept with his fathers wife in the Corinthian church shouldn't have believed he did anything wrong.
Strange Paul told them to put him out of the church

 

[Si_monfaith]

So you want to get back to no knowledge as before Ada and eve ate the forbidden apple.
Fine! Walk naked down the street without any embarrassment.

Satan was the one who made them choose kge.

Would satan desire for people to be set free from kge?

Get thee behind me satan!!

 

[stuart lawrence]

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That is for those who do not believe that their flesh is crucified with Jesus 2000 yrs back.

Ridiculous. Paul is writing to christians in the galatian church.
For your sake, please pause and consider your comments better before posting them

 

[stuart lawrence]

Satan was the one who made them choose kge.

Would satan desire for people to be set free from kge?

Get thee behind me satan!!

So why do you wear clothes?
That came with knowledge.
You best go naked from now on

 

[Si_monfaith]

So why do you wear clothes?
That came with knowledge.
You best go naked from now on

If adam & eve had rebuked satan, you would be naked now.

It was this kge which you revere that separated you from God.

Satan is not worried about whether you are naked or naked. He is very worried when you renounce kge in Christ.

So I know who is posting thru you.

In Jesus' name, get thee behind me satan.

 

[stuart lawrence]

If adam & eve had rebuked satan, you would be naked now.

It was this kge which you revere that separated you from God.

Satan is not worried about whether you are naked or naked. He is very worried when you renounce kge in Christ.

So I know who is posting thru you.

In Jesus' name, get thee behind me satan.

Ah so you agree, knowledge of Christ is essential.

Christ said he did not come to abolish/ destroy the law. It seems you have rejected Christs knowledge.

 

[stuart lawrence]

If adam & eve had rebuked satan, you would be naked now.

It was this kge which you revere that separated you from God.

Satan is not worried about whether you are naked or naked. He is very worried when you renounce kge in Christ.

So I know who is posting thru you.

In Jesus' name, get thee behind me satan.

As for your inference satan/ demons are posting through me. The Pharisees told Jesus he was possessed by demons.
And Jesus warned the disciples they would be treated as he was

 

[Aldebaran]

Satan was the one who made them choose kge.

Would satan desire for people to be set free from kge?

What does kge mean?

 

[Alithis]

Yes in line with your trust in kge which tells what a sarcasm, accusation, rudeness is, you could ask the question to yourself as to whether you love Jesus as you seem to trust in "your" love for Jesus.

I prefer to trust Jesus' love for me.

Loving Jesus is saying,"He loved me which is all sufficient". Saying,"I love Jesus" is not loving Him.

Well the lord jesus in whom you profess to trust.said "..if you love me you will keep my commands ..which means do what i tell you to do.

If we refuse to ,we show we dont love him and if we dont love ..the love of god is not in us.

How much worse then if we preach against obedience which expresses love.

 

[Alithis]

If adam & eve had rebuked satan, you would be naked now.

It was this kge which you revere that separated you from God.

Satan is not worried about whether you are naked or naked. He is very worried when you renounce kge in Christ.

So I know who is posting thru you.

In Jesus' name, get thee behind me satan.

Is that what you desire..? To be naked.. You seem to have an obsession with it.are you one of those christian naturists ? You seem to have an agenda in that vein.

By the way.
Its against the rules here to attempt exorcism via a thread forum.
Just so ya know.

 

[Alithis]

If you talking about having a clear consciounce with God in christ jesus i have that.
So dont trouble your self with it.

I think who ever youve been listening to. In order to come up with the things your saying is either left of center ..or youve misinterpreted what they said .. Probably the latter.

 

[Aldebaran]

Well the lord jesus in whom you profess to trust.said "..if you love me you will keep my commands ..which means do what i tell you to do.

If we refuse to ,we show we dont love him and if we dont love ..the love of god is not in us.

How much worse then if we preach against obedience which expresses love.

1 John 4:10
"In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

 

[stuart lawrence]

1 John 4:10
"In this is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us and sent His Son to be the propitiation for our sins."

Hmmmmm

Methinks you know much of that which really matters/ the heart of the message.

 

[Aldebaran]

Hmmmmm

Methinks you know much of that which really matters/ the heart of the message.

I gather that the heart of the message is that our salvation is based on the fact that God loved us, rather than the other way around.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I gather that the heart of the message is that our salvation is based on the fact that God loved us, rather than the other way around.

Many have minsconceptions based on limiting the love of God for us.
King David knew the truth, his bottom line was trusting in Gods unfailing love for him, though a law of righteousness was in place.
Sadly, many today ultimately rely on a law of righteousness, rather than Gods unfailing love, shown by him sending his son to die for us.
And others say, the law is destroyed, we must have no knowledge of sin.
It is indeed a narrow way of truth isn't it. Many refuse it, going from one extreme to the other

 

[Aldebaran]

Many have minsconceptions based on limiting the love of God for us.
King David knew the truth, his bottom line was trusting in Gods unfailing love for him, though a law of righteousness was in place.
Sadly, many today ultimately rely on a law of righteousness, rather than Gods unfailing love, shown by him sending his son to die for us.
And others say, the law is destroyed, we must have no knowledge of sin.
It is indeed a narrow way of truth isn't it. Many refuse it, going from one extreme to the other

I'm not really sure what you're saying. John 3:16 tells us what Jesus did for those who believe in Him.

My own view is that Jesus died for our sin as His gift to us, and anyone who believes upon Jesus for forgiveness of sin will have everlasting life. Good works that follow are out of gratitude for what we have received. Some people have more gratitude than others, probably based on how aware they are of what their sin is/was.

As for the law, Jesus said He didn't come to abolish (destroy) the law, but to fulfill it. I take this to mean that HE has accomplished in the Law what is required of us. Since we can't fulfill it ourselves, we "get a lift" from the One who already did.

 

[stuart lawrence]

A law written down( or typed) on pieces of paper does not mean you in your heart want to obey that law. Indeed, some of my countrys laws I disagree with as they contradict biblical teaching.
The Israelites were given the law at Sanai, but that written law did not in itself bring them in their hearts to want to obey it. God told Moses they were a stiff necked people who would soon desert him when they reached the promised land. Because the law was external to them, written down on tablets of stone and parchments, penalties were attached for disobedience to it, as is the case in whichever country you live in. For your government knows, without the threat of penalty for breaking the laws there is nothing to stop you from murdering, robbing banks or anything else you may be inclined to do. Without the threat of penalty you have licence to break the law.
If under the old covenant there were no penalty for transgression of the law/sin the people would have had a licence to sin for the law was not placed on their hearts.
But that system was imperfect. Under the law sin increased, not decreased(rom5:20)
The power of sin is not in the fact one should not murder, steal, commit adultery etc. The true power of sin is a true law of righteousness, and a person hinging their hope of heaven on obedience to a law of righteousness.
So God did an amazing thing. He transferred the law he desires believers to keep from a law written on tablets of stone, to a law written on tablets of human hearts2( cor3:3) because, and only because that has happened Jesus paid the price of a believers sins.
The true power of sin/ a law of righteousness is therefore removed, while the law God desires you to keep remains intact, placed on your heart. A licence to sin is therefore removed.
And so Paul states:

Sin shall not be your master, for you are not under law( of righteousness) but under grace( through faith in Christ) rom6:14

 

[stuart lawrence]

I'm not really sure what you're saying. John 3:16 tells us what Jesus did for those who believe in Him.

My own view is that Jesus died for our sin as His gift to us, and anyone who believes upon Jesus for forgiveness of sin will have everlasting life. Good works that follow are out of gratitude for what we have received. Some people have more gratitude than others, probably based on how aware they are of what their sin is/was.

As for the law, Jesus said He didn't come to abolish (destroy) the law, but to fulfill it. I take this to mean that HE has accomplished in the Law what is required of us. Since we can't fulfill it ourselves, we "get a lift" from the One who already did.

Absolutely, the christian is to do good works out of love and gratitude for a free salvation, NOT with the view it will aid their entry into heaven.

 

[stuart lawrence]

I'm not really sure what you're saying. John 3:16 tells us what Jesus did for those who believe in Him.

My own view is that Jesus died for our sin as His gift to us, and anyone who believes upon Jesus for forgiveness of sin will have everlasting life. Good works that follow are out of gratitude for what we have received. Some people have more gratitude than others, probably based on how aware they are of what their sin is/was.

As for the law, Jesus said He didn't come to abolish (destroy) the law, but to fulfill it. I take this to mean that HE has accomplished in the Law what is required of us. Since we can't fulfill it ourselves, we "get a lift" from the One who already did.

Imagine if you will someone who is most ardent, zealous that the ten commandments must be obeyed to attain heaven. They are earnestly living under a law of righteousness concerning the pinnacle of the law. An earnest Pharisee for example. Someone who has neglected the love of God( luke11:42) and hinges their hope of heaven on a law of righteousness.
What emotions would overcome such a person if they had a sinful thought concerning one of those commandments? They would be overwrought wouldn't they? They would be animated, nervous, disturbed, worked up and panic stricken. These emotions would overcome anyone who was in earnest they must obey the law or be condemned to hell.
The more these emotions overcome you at the thought of sin( breaking Gods laws) the more sin will overwhelm you, the more sin will control your life. Why is that? Because those emotions bring you to an excited state. They are all bar panic stricken dictionary definitions of the word excite. The definition of panic stricken is frenzy and the definition of frenzy is wild excitement. Your fear of the penalty of sin( breaking Gods laws) brings you into a very aroused- or excited state where sin is concerned( rom7:5)
So everytime an ardent Pharisee has a sinful thought concerning breaking one of the ten commandments they most likely would be overcome by emotions that would bring them to an excited state where sin is concerned:

What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Nay, I had not known sin but by the law, for I had not known lust except the law had said. Thou shalt not covet.
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment wrought in me all manner of concupiscence, for without the law sin was dead.
For I was alive without the law once, but when the commandment came sin revived ( or sin consciousness sprang to life) and I died.
And the commandment which was ordained to life( if I obeyed it) instead brought death( for I could not keep it)
For sin, taking ocassion by the commandment deceived me, and by it slew me.
Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment is holy, and just, and good.
Rom7:7-12

Hence:
The power of sin is the law( of righteousness) 1cor15:56

It is wonderful you know obedience is out of love and gratitude for a free salvation and not because a law of righteousness exists and is the bottom line.
It is tragic that so many who go to church, in truth live earnestly under a law of righteousness without realising they are doing it.

God bless