Obedience to the word of God is NOT optional -if we persist in disobedience we are not saved

[stuart lawrence]

So according to you it means Jesus' work of redemption did not do away with all the curses & death?

You are not responding to the points I make.
Jesus indeed died for all the sins of a born again christian, past, present and future, no condemnation. A christian commits sin, for none are perfect I the flesh, but the christians imperfections are covered by Christs blood.
A christian is aware of their sin
That is biblical truth!

 

[Si_monfaith]

I have just plainly shown you the christian needs knowledge, and according to john and James the christian has knowledge of their sin.
Were you brought up with very strict religion/legalism? I was. When that happens many often go to the other extreme as you appear to be doing

It was this kge or knowledge of sin that separated man from God in eden.

Nakedness could not separate man from God as long as they did not choose kge.

By his death, Jesus set us free from kge & reconciled us to God. Hope you accept this act of love of Jesus.

 

[stuart lawrence]

It was this kge or knowledge of sin that separated man from God in eden.

Nakedness could not separate man from God as long as they did not choose kge.

By his death, Jesus set us free from kge & reconciled us to God. Hope you accept this act of love of Jesus.

You appear to refuse to accept that James and john plainly state the christian has knowledge of their sin. You seem to just ignore the scriptures you do not wish to accept

 

[stuart lawrence]

The law was NOT removed. A law of righteousness was removed. If you do not accept that, you can never reconcile the scriptures

 

[stuart lawrence]

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law rom3:31

Why uphold what does not exist?

 

[Si_monfaith]

You appear to refuse to accept that James and john plainly state the christian has knowledge of their sin. You seem to just ignore the scriptures you do not wish to accept

Kge which is knowledge of sin comes from law. Jesus destroyed the law by his death & set us free from it (rom7:6). Hence no kge. Scripture tells this plainly.

All apostles need not necessarily have the same degree of revelation.

Regarding awareness of sin, do not go by your feelings but believe Hebrews 10:3.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Do we then nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather we uphold the law rom3:31

Why uphold what does not exist?

Paul writes certain verses to avoid being rejected by readers.

We no more belong to law (rom7:4) but to Christ only.

Purpose of good works is never to earn blessings or salvation or to remain saved but only to rejoice in Christ. Just as adam tilled the ground to express the Lord's image in him referring to talents & not to earn bread.

 

[Alithis]

Faith is of Jesus or produced by Jesus (acts3:16). It is a free gift from Jesus' love who loved us more than His life.

Keep up your sharing Bro. You are blessed.

All mankind have faith.. But in what or whom ? Having faith ,even gifted , is usless if not acted upon .obedience to God is done because we have faith that what he has said.. Is true.therefore those who do not obey..show they do not believe his word is true. And will perish in thier unbelief.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Kge which is knowledge of sin comes from law. Jesus destroyed the law by his death & set us free from it (rom7:6). Hence no kge. Scripture tells this plainly.

All apostles need not necessarily have the same degree of revelation.

Regarding awareness of sin, do not go by your feelings but believe Hebrews 10:3.[/

Kge which is knowledge of sin comes from law. Jesus destroyed the law by his death & set us free from it (rom7:6). Hence no kge. Scripture tells this plainly.

All apostles need not necessarily have the same degree of revelation.

Regarding awareness of sin, do not go by your feelings but believe Hebrews 10:3.

According to your second paragraph, are you suggesting your revelation is greater than that of James and John?
I know some on the internet do claim such things.
To go around claiming Jesus destroyed the law is harmful to your spiritual health I am afraid. Jesus destroyed the ability for the law to condemn the born again christian. Hw did not destroy thou shalt not kill, steal, bear false witness, covet etc.
The majority who go to church relentlessly state you must obey the law, with the inference that is your justification for heaven . People at the other end of the spectrum say Jesus destroyed the laws, you have no knowledge of sin. The true road is indeed narrow.

 

[stuart lawrence]

The law itself is perfect, holy, righteous and good. The problem is a law of righteousness, not the law itself.
A law of righteousness depends on the penalty of sin being I place for transgression of the law. If the penalty of sin is removed, so is a law of righteousness.
God transferred the law he desires believers to obey from an external law written on tablets of stone to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. Therefore, the true believer in their heart wants to live as God desires them to. Because, and only because this is the case, the penalty of sin was paid by Christ for the true believer. And it is the penalty of sin which is the true power of sin. No penalty, no law of righteousness
Romans chapter 7 is speaking of a law of righteousness.
Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin and to break the power of sin, and the true power of sin is a law of righteousness, hence romans 7

 

[stuart lawrence]

All apostles need not necessarily have the same degree of revelation

Do you believe you are an apostle with greater revelation than James and John? Some, especially on the internet do believe they have greater understanding than the Apostles who wrote the NT.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Do you believe you are an apostle with greater revelation than James and John? Some, especially on the internet do believe they have greater understanding than the Apostles who wrote the NT.

The whole truth is given thru paul though he was not able to repeat the whole truth at all times due to limitations he faced due to Judaism & gnosticism both of which were terribly ignorant of grace.

 

[Si_monfaith]

The law itself is perfect, holy, righteous and good. The problem is a law of righteousness, not the law itself.
A law of righteousness depends on the penalty of sin being I place for transgression of the law. If the penalty of sin is removed, so is a law of righteousness.
God transferred the law he desires believers to obey from an external law written on tablets of stone to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. Therefore, the true believer in their heart wants to live as God desires them to. Because, and only because this is the case, the penalty of sin was paid by Christ for the true believer. And it is the penalty of sin which is the true power of sin. No penalty, no law of righteousness
Romans chapter 7 is speaking of a law of righteousness.
Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin and to break the power of sin, and the true power of sin is a law of righteousness, hence romans 7

Sin is revived by the law that supplies the kge.

The power of sin is broken or dead only when law/kge is eliminated (roman7:8).

Trying to break the power of sin by leaving kge as it is, is the same as addressing the symptoms & leaving out the issue of infection.

 

[Si_monfaith]

The law itself is perfect, holy, righteous and good. The problem is a law of righteousness, not the law itself.
A law of righteousness depends on the penalty of sin being I place for transgression of the law. If the penalty of sin is removed, so is a law of righteousness.
God transferred the law he desires believers to obey from an external law written on tablets of stone to an internal law written on tablets of human hearts. Therefore, the true believer in their heart wants to live as God desires them to. Because, and only because this is the case, the penalty of sin was paid by Christ for the true believer. And it is the penalty of sin which is the true power of sin. No penalty, no law of righteousness
Romans chapter 7 is speaking of a law of righteousness.
Christ died to pay the penalty of your sin and to break the power of sin, and the true power of sin is a law of righteousness, hence romans 7

Law does not hold penalty alone. It also contains or supplies kge (roma3:20).

Lord who told adam to avoid kge, will he write law into hearts which contains kge which brought death to mankind?

 

[Si_monfaith]

All mankind have faith.. But in what or whom ? Having faith ,even gifted , is usless if not acted upon .obedience to God is done because we have faith that what he has said.. Is true.therefore those who do not obey..show they do not believe his word is true. And will perish in thier unbelief.

Obedience while still affirming the knowledge of good & evil that brought all curses & death to mankind, amounts to nothing.

It is like advising a hiv infected person to obey and do physical exercises!

 

[stuart lawrence]

The whole truth is given thru paul though he was not able to repeat the whole truth at all times due to limitations he faced due to Judaism & gnosticism both of which were terribly ignorant of grace.

Yes, Paul had truth/ knowledge:

Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS rom 10:4
NOT full stop!

 

[stuart lawrence]

Sin is revived by the law that supplies the kge.

The power of sin is broken or dead only when law/kge is eliminated (roman7:8).

Trying to break the power of sin by leaving kge as it is, is the same as addressing the symptoms & leaving out the issue of infection.

You don't fully understand the message.
You cannot destroy Gods will that you do not, murder, steal, commit adultery, covet etc. That is a preposterous notion. You can however end a law of righteousness.
You do not understand the difference

 

[stuart lawrence]

Law does not hold penalty alone. It also contains or supplies kge (roma3:20).

Lord who told adam to avoid kge, will he write law into hearts which contains kge which brought death to mankind?

If you properly understood Paul's message you would not write what you do.

The PENALTY of sin brings great fear of sin, and fear of sin brings much allurement to sin. That is what you fail to understand

 

[stuart lawrence]

Which is worse?
To claim in reality a law of righteousness exists, or to claim Christ came to destroy the law?

Jesus said if the Pharisees were blind they would not be guilty, but as they claimed they knew the truth their guilt remained

 

[stuart lawrence]

John summed it up well.

If anyone claims to be without sin the truth is not in them

To know you have sin requires knowledge of sin.

Enough said