Obedience to the word of God is NOT optional -if we persist in disobedience we are not saved

[stuart lawrence]

We have been set free from themoral law (rom7:4) totally. Now that which is written in our heart is the principle (interchageably called as law) of grace.

Now we could do the things that we desire, as the hindering (rom7:17) sin is dead (rom7:8). Similarly, we cannot be forced by sin to do what we do not desire. Similarly we have no knowledge what sin is (rom3:20), as by His love, Jesus set us free from law.

We have been set free of condemnation concerning the moral law. There is no law of righteousness concerning the moral law, but the moral law itself still exists, it must
The core terms of the new covenant state:
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

The disciple John knew what sin was:
If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1john 1:8

Only through the law can you be conscious of sin. Therefore if John acknowledged sin, he must acknowledge law.

Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS rom10:4
Not full stop!

 

[Dave-W]

Paul states the christian has a righteousness before God apart from observing the law

Sin is transgression of the law.

That is only one part of the definition of sin.

 

[Dave-W]

No law means no transgression possible (rom4:15) which means no act could amount to transgression.

Romans 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

"Unbelief" is not a "transgression of the Law," but it is listed as a sin here and anything that stems from unbelief is sinful.

Sin is much more than just "transgression." In fact if you read enough you will see there are sins, transgressions and iniquities.

 

[Dave-W]

We have been set free from the moral law (rom7:4) totally.

If you are not Jewish, you cannot be "set free" from something you never were subject to.

That makes as much sense as saying I have been set free from a Russian prison when I have never been in Russia, let alone in one of their prisons.

As a side note, can you give me chapter and verse where the LAW (Law of Moses) is divided up into various groups, like "moral" law, "ceremonial" law, "civil" law, etc? Does not James say the entire Law is a unit?

 

[stuart lawrence]

That is only one part of the definition of sin.

What must a person do to be guilty of a crime in your country?
What must he violate?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Romans 14:23 But he who doubts is condemned if he eats, because his eating is not from faith; and whatever is not from faith is sin.

"Unbelief" is not a "transgression of the Law," but it is listed as a sin here and anything that stems from unbelief is sinful.

Sin is much more than just "transgression." In fact if you read enough you will see there are sins, transgressions and iniquities.

If you are not Jewish, you cannot be "set free" from something you never were subject to.

That makes as much sense as saying I have been set free from a Russian prison when I have never been in Russia, let alone in one of their prisons.

As a side note, can you give me chapter and verse where the LAW (Law of Moses) is divided up into various groups, like "moral" law, "ceremonial" law, "civil" law, etc? Does not James say the entire Law is a unit?

You are correct, it is one whole law.
However, the moral law is placed on the christians heart and mind, the levitical legalistic law is not

 

[Dave-W]

What must a person do to be guilty of a crime in your country?
What must he violate?

Do not make the mistake of equating sin and crime.

At its root, the base words in both Hebrew and Greek (and even in pre-KJV English) the word "sin" is an archery term which means to miss the bull's eye. "All have sinned and FALL SHORT of the Glory of God." You are aiming at the target but your arrow falls short of the target. That is a sin.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Do not make the mistake of equating sin and crime.

At its root, the base words in both Hebrew and Greek (and even in pre-KJV English) the word "sin" is an archery term which means to miss the bull's eye. "All have sinned and FALL SHORT of the Glory of God." You are aiming at the target but your arrow falls short of the target. That is a sin.

The biblical definition of sin could not be clearer.
You live by faith or law. If not by faith you are guilty of sin, for all fall short under law

 

[Dave-W]

You live by faith or law. If not by faith you are guilty of sin,

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

IOW - if you do something that you do NOT hear authorization from God (yeah - that means hearing HIS voice personally) it is sin.

Which gives the New Covenant the option (that I am sure the devil loves) of "sin if you do and sin if you don't."

 

[Alithis]

By destroying law by His death (roma7:4) Jesus destroyed sin as sin dead when law is no more (roma7:8).

Where is the principle of sin? It is dead.

This is getting nothing short of devient
.

 

[stuart lawrence]

Faith comes by hearing and hearing by the word of God.

IOW - if you do something that you do NOT hear authorization from God (yeah - that means hearing HIS voice personally) it is sin.

Which gives the New Covenant the option (that I am sure the devil loves) of "sin if you do and sin if you don't."

Faith unto salvation is a free gift. Your faith grows as you read, and learn from the bible.
You learn by relying on the holy spirit to lead you into truth, not by relying on understanding the greek or Aramaic versions of the bible

 

[Si_monfaith]

This is getting nothing short of devient
.

Comprehending truth is only possible by Lord's grace & never by our wisdom.

 

[Si_monfaith]

Faith unto salvation is a free gift. Your faith grows as you read, and learn from the bible.
You learn by relying on the holy spirit to lead you into truth, not by relying on understanding the greek or Aramaic versions of the bible

Faith is of Jesus or produced by Jesus (acts3:16). It is a free gift from Jesus' love who loved us more than His life.

Keep up your sharing Bro. You are blessed.

 

[Si_monfaith]

If you are not Jewish, you cannot be "set free" from something you never were subject to.

That makes as much sense as saying I have been set free from a Russian prison when I have never been in Russia, let alone in one of their prisons.

As a side note, can you give me chapter and verse where the LAW (Law of Moses) is divided up into various groups, like "moral" law, "ceremonial" law, "civil" law, etc? Does not James say the entire Law is a unit?

You mean gentiles need no salvation?

 

[Si_monfaith]

We have been set free of condemnation concerning the moral law. There is no law of righteousness concerning the moral law, but the moral law itself still exists, it must
The core terms of the new covenant state:
I will write my laws in their minds
And place them on their hearts
Then he adds
Their sins and lawless deeds I will remember no more
Heb10:16&17

The disciple John knew what sin was:
If we say we have no sin we deceive ourselves and the truth is not in us 1john 1:8

Only through the law can you be conscious of sin. Therefore if John acknowledged sin, he must acknowledge law.

Christ is the end of the law UNTO RIGHTEOUSNESS rom10:4
Not full stop!

Moral law exists for those who do not accept the freedom from it earned by Jesus by His death (rom7:4,6).

It cannot exist for us who have accepted Jesus who has set us free from it. Hope you agree.

 

[Dave-W]

You mean gentiles need no salvation?

OY!!! Have you never read Acts 15? Romans 11?

 

[stuart lawrence]

Moral law exists for those who do not accept the freedom from it earned by Jesus by His death (rom7:4,6).

It cannot exist for us who have accepted Jesus who has set us free from it. Hope you agree.

The law comes in two parts. The law itself, and the attached penalty for disobedience. The penalty is removed from the christian. The law itself has been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts.
The fact you in your heart do not want to bear false witness, commit adultery, kill, steal etc proves the law itself has been placed there:

You show you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but the spirit of the living God. Not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts 2 cor3:3

 

[Si_monfaith]

OY!!! Have you never read Acts 15? Romans 11?

If gentiles are not under the law & so not under the curses of the law then they need salvation? From what?

 

[Si_monfaith]

The law comes in two parts. The law itself, and the attached penalty for disobedience. The penalty is removed from the christian. The law itself has been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts.

The fact you in your heart do not want to bear false witness, commit adultery, kill, steal etc proves the law itself has been placed there:

You show you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but the spirit of the living God. Not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts 2 cor3:3

Now, kge brought all curses & death into mankind when adam&eve chose it. What is the solution from kge's problem?

 

[Si_monfaith]

The law comes in two parts. The law itself, and the attached penalty for disobedience. The penalty is removed from the christian. The law itself has been transferred from tablets of stone to tablets of human hearts.
The fact you in your heart do not want to bear false witness, commit adultery, kill, steal etc proves the law itself has been placed there:

You show you are a letter from Christ, the result of our ministry, written not with ink but the spirit of the living God. Not on tablets of stone but on tablets of human hearts 2 cor3:3

Moreover you presuppose that the knowledge of sin still exists.

However with such a knowledge none can be justified (rom3:20).