Obedience to the word of God is NOT optional -if we persist in disobedience we are not saved

[Alithis]

some like to imply that the bible lies ..when it says do a certain thing they say .. o
"oh no you don't have to do that ,because their word is greater than God's word and we must follow their opinion not God
we must ignore the word of God ..
but God is not mocked and he will judge according to his own word and not peoples amended opinions

 

[Soyeong]

Salvation is from sin and disobedience to God is sin, so salvation from sin necessarily involves coming into obedience to God.

 

[quietbloke]

'By their fruit we shall know them'

 

[Alithis]

Salvation is from sin and disobedience to God is sin, so salvation from sin necessarily involves coming into obedience to God.

absolutely .. and such obedience must be all in all for we are born into the spirit of obedience ,the same Holy Spirit who resided in christ who was obedient to the father in every respect .

so if we ever teach any one to not obey God by what we imply in words we risk causing others to stumble from obedience and it would be better that a millstone were hung about our neck and we were cast into the sea to stop us doing so ..

the word of god says we musty stop sinning .. but some imply it is ok to continue doing so because there is forgiveness.. Sure the don't say that outright but their words strongly imply it . and it is simply not so.. repentance is required ..repentance is obedience to the command to repent .

 

[Flowful]

“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of Heaven, but only the one who does the will of my Father who is in Heaven. Matthew 7:21

 

[Soyeong]

absolutely .. and such obedience must be all in all for we are born into the spirit of obedience ,the same Holy Spirit who resided in christ who was obedient to the father in every respect .

so if we ever teach any one to not obey God by what we imply in words we risk causing others to stumble from obedience and it would be better that a millstone were hung about our neck and we were cast into the sea to stop us doing so ..

the word of god says we musty stop sinning .. but some imply it is ok to continue doing so because there is forgiveness.. Sure the don't say that outright but their words strongly imply it . and it is simply not so.. repentance is required ..repentance is obedience to the command to repent .

Agreed, now we need to get people to stop teaching against obeying God by saying that we don't need to obey His law.

 

[quietbloke]

'If you love Me keep my commandments' (John 14:15)

 

[ARBITER01]

There was a recent problem over in the Spirit-filled section with false teachings, I think it is best to post the rules here..

House Rules:
All posts within this faith community must adhere to the site wide rules found here (Community Rules). In addition, if you are not a member of this faith group, you may not debate issues or teach against it's theology. You may post in fellowship. Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of this group will be considered off topic.

In relation to this thread...

5. The Salvation of Man
Man's only hope of redemption is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Conditions to Salvation

Salvation is received through repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, being justified by grace through faith, man becomes an heir of God, according to the hope of eternal life.

These are nonnegotiable tenets of faith that all Assemblies of God churches adhere to. People may not add to or teach against them here.

 

[quietbloke]

Grace overcomes sin. We are saved through grace,by faith in the shed blood of the LORD Jesus Christ. Good works follow being truely saved,but do not save,or we would ALL be condemned.

 

[Soyeong]

There was a recent problem over in the Spirit-filled section with false teachings, I think it is best to post the rules here..

House Rules:
All posts within this faith community must adhere to the site wide rules found here (Community Rules). In addition, if you are not a member of this faith group, you may not debate issues or teach against it's theology. You may post in fellowship. Active promotion of views contrary to the established teachings of this group will be considered off topic.

In relation to this thread...

5. The Salvation of Man
Man's only hope of redemption is through the shed blood of Jesus Christ the Son of God.

Conditions to Salvation

Salvation is received through repentance toward God and faith toward the Lord Jesus Christ. By the washing of regeneration and renewing of the Holy Spirit, being justified by grace through faith, man becomes an heir of God, according to the hope of eternal life.

These are nonnegotiable tenets of faith that all Assemblies of God churches adhere to. People may not add to or teach against them here.

I don't think anyone here has said anything contrary to salvation being by grace through faith. Repentance is from our sins or from doing bad works, so it inherently involves turning from doing bad works towards doing good works. Our faith should cause us to trust God to grant us repentance and lead us into doing good works.

 

[Alithis]

I don't think anyone here has said anything contrary to salvation being by grace through faith. Repentance is from our sins or from doing bad works, so it inherently involves turning from doing bad works towards doing good works. Our faith should cause us to trust God to grant us repentance and lead us into doing good works.

they haven't .. that individual seems to not like the topic of repentance or obedience that spirit desire to shut that topic down wherever it is presented .. but its like asking the bible to be shut down . the truth is we cannot receive salvation except by obeying the Gospel.. the gospel declared in acts says
"-Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"38Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.…" - So make up your own mind to believe the word of God or not .

some also do not like that disciples born again of the Spirit of God are actually free and are-no longer under any compulsion to sin and are called therefore to obey God and they show they are of God by their obedience ,they do not continue in sin .no mater how much some wish that to be the case ..it never was it never will be .God does not change .

how will we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was first communicated through the Lord and was confirmed to us by those who heard him, 4 while God confirmed their witness with signs and wonders and various miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will

 

[ARBITER01]

I don't think anyone here has said anything contrary to salvation being by grace through faith. Repentance is from our sins or from doing bad works, so it inherently involves turning from doing bad works towards doing good works. Our faith should cause us to trust God to grant us repentance and lead us into doing good works.

I posted that because the individual that started this thread just had a another thread removed because it was teaching against our Assemblies of GOD theology here. He's not a pentecostal according to his profile, and feels he has a right to teach his brand of Christianity in particular faith areas, even though he is not part of their faith and denomination.

People that are not of our denomination here are only able to make fellowship posts, not teach against our theology.

 

[PapaZoom]

'If you love Me keep my commandments' (John 14:15)

Specifically which ones?

 

[PapaZoom]

I posted that because the individual that started this thread just had a another thread removed because it was teaching against our Assemblies of GOD theology here. He's not a pentecostal according to his profile, and feels he has a right to teach his brand of Christianity in particular faith areas, even though he is not part of their faith and denomination.

People that are not of our denomination here are only able to make fellowship posts, not teach against our theology.

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't paying attention to where this OP was located so I appreciate the reminder.

 

[ARBITER01]

Thanks for the heads up. I wasn't paying attention to where this OP was located so I appreciate the reminder.

Your welcome.

It's not my ambition to oversee different forums and beat people up, that's not the motive here. This message board is nothing like it used to be around 2005 where they had 15 moderators for every forum section it seemed. Realizing that the admins have very few moderators now to monitor all these sections, the forum regulars now have to police their own areas and make the reports, or nothing will get done about the unorthodox teachings that non-denominational people post in our area and others.

 

[KingdomIncreseGuy]

I dont believe you understood me what I was saying on your last thread. I agree on water Baptism is obedience and is not optional. however in some cases it is just used as membership to a church in which case the person may not see the true intent of water baptism is dying to your old self and becoming a new creation in Christ like you said. Like I said in your last post I dont beleieve your saved upon water baptism and I dont beleive thats where the power comes in. power to overcome sin with more ease maybe but I believe that baptism in the holy ghost is where the power comes in. I believe you making a whole seperate thread when you never understood me in the first thread is a little immature.

they haven't .. that individual seems to not like the topic of repentance or obedience that spirit desire to shut that topic down wherever it is presented .. but its like asking the bible to be shut down . the truth is we cannot receive salvation except by obeying the Gospel.. the gospel declared in acts says
"-Now when they heard this, they were pierced to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, "Brethren, what shall we do?"38Peter said to them, "Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.…" - So make up your own mind to believe the word of God or not .

some also do not like that disciples born again of the Spirit of God are actually free and are-no longer under any compulsion to sin and are called therefore to obey God and they show they are of God by their obedience ,they do not continue in sin .no mater how much some wish that to be the case ..it never was it never will be .God does not change .

how will we escape if we neglect such a great salvation? It was first communicated through the Lord and was confirmed to us by those who heard him, 4 while God confirmed their witness with signs and wonders and various miracles and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will

 

[Dave-W]

I dont beleieve your saved upon water baptism and I dont beleive thats where the power comes in. power to overcome sin with more ease maybe but I believe that baptism in the holy ghost is where the power comes in.

Do not confuse the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit with "Spirit Upon." Baptism in the Holy Spirit is part of "Spirit Upon."

Acts 1.5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

 

[KingdomIncreseGuy]

Do not confuse the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit with "Spirit Upon." Baptism in the Holy Spirit is part of "Spirit Upon."

Acts 1.5 for John truly baptized with water, but you shall be baptized with the Holy Spirit not many days from now.
8 But you shall receive power when the Holy Spirit has come upon you; and you shall be witnesses to Me in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the end of the earth.

Whatever do you mean I clearly defined the difference in my post but lots of denominations like some baptists for instance believe that they have received the full power of the Holy Spirit through water baptism and do not believe or practice the baptism in the Holy Ghost. I was saying the same thing you said the person who started this post believes water baptism baptizes you into the full power of the Holy Ghost without baptism in the Holy Ghost. I was merely pointing out that is not the case and water baptism is more symbolic and often times just membership procedure for some churches. I hope this clears up your confusion about my statement.

 

[Dave-W]

Whatever do you mean I clearly defined the difference in my post

Not really.

Spirit Within - or the Indwelling - happens at new birth. That gives us power to live godly lives, moral character and at times supernatural wisdom. It is reflected in the Fruit of the Spirit.

Spirit Upon OTOH, is when the Holy Spirit comes on us to perform miracles and acts of power. That is reflected in the Gifts of the Spirit.

BTW - this is in no way connected to personal holiness or moral character; indeed, it can (rarely) happen to an unbeliever. King Saul (OT) and Caiaphas (NT) both prophesied during attempts to kill God's Anointed in their generation. (David and Jesus) The very first prophecy of a coming Messiah came from that prophet-for-hire Balaam who was trying to curse Israel.

 

[KingdomIncreseGuy]

Not really.

Spirit Within - or the Indwelling - happens at new birth. That gives us power to live godly lives, moral character and at times supernatural wisdom. It is reflected in the Fruit of the Spirit.

Spirit Upon OTOH, is when the Holy Spirit comes on us to perform miracles and acts of power. That is reflected in the Gifts of the Spirit.

BTW - this is in no way connected to personal holiness or moral character; indeed, it can (rarely) happen to an unbeliever. King Saul (OT) and Caiaphas (NT) both prophesied during attempts to kill God's Anointed in their generation. (David and Jesus) The very first prophecy of a coming Messiah came from that prophet-for-hire Balaam who was trying to curse Israel.

I did not use the exact words but i know the difference.