Obamagate Timeline...Explains A Lot

[Veritas]

I'm just curious, how many times have you actually read the source material in the links you're providing?
Because I'm reading it, and I'm coming to a different conclusion than you are.

What a surprise!

 

[Veritas]

Once again, it wasn't Trump or Flynn who was being wiretapped, but the Russian ambassador - who met with Flynn while being recorded. Flynn got recorded as he was talking to Kislyak.

And once again they found NOTHING wrong, criminal nor illegal had taken place. But continue to ignore the fact that the FISA Court request specifically mentions Trump. If it hadn't, then you'd have a point. Clearly, the objective was to spy on Trump via the Russians. Clever!

 

[Always in His Presence]

As President, Trump has the power to release any FISA request. Why hasn't he Veritas?

Trump has yet to release any such request (and he, as President, has the power to do so

This is being repeated dozens of times in several threads.

Please cite sources and precedent. Last I looked that was a function of the judicial branch.

 

[DaisyDay]

And once again they found NOTHING wrong, criminal nor illegal had taken place. But continue to ignore the fact that the FISA Court request specifically mentions Trump. If it hadn't, then you'd have a point. Clearly, the objective was to spy on Trump via the Russians. Clever!

Not in the headline you circled in red. You can't even follow your own line of evidence. Did the NYTimes article mention FISA at all?

 

[FenderTL5]

Not in the headline you circled in red. You can't even follow your own line of evidence. Did the NYTimes article mention FISA at all?

Further, the FISA request naming Trump was denied.

 

[DaisyDay]

This is being repeated dozens of times in several threads.

Please cite sources and precedent. Last I looked that was a function of the judicial branch.

Executive Order 13526 - Wikisource, the free online library:

Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. 

(a)   In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to: 

(1)   conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2)   prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
(3)   restrain competition; or
(4)   prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.​

 

[Always in His Presence]

Executive Order 13526 - Wikisource, the free online library:

Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. 

(a)   In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to: 

(1)   conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2)   prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
(3)   restrain competition; or
(4)   prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.​

And where does it mention the President having the ability to do this?

Still patiently waiting for a source.

Edit:

Did you read your own link? From the first few sentences.

This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism.

 

[Aldebaran]

I'm saying that judges do not allow wire taps for no reason, they don't issue them because someone has a hunch.
If one was issued then a judge was convinced it was justified, if there was no wire tap then Trump is telling lies, either way Trump has some explaining to do.

If one was issued, then Obama was the one doing the lying when he claimed it never happened. So why would it be Trump that has to do the explaining?

"Obama and his aides responded with disbelief when they learned of President Donald Trump's Saturday morning tweets laying out the charges. Later in the day, an Obama spokesman said "neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."
Obama irked and exasperated in response to Trump's wiretapping claims, sources say - CNNPolitics.com

 

[Vylo]

If one was issued, then Obama was the one doing the lying when he claimed it never happened. So why would it be Trump that has to do the explaining?

"Obama and his aides responded with disbelief when they learned of President Donald Trump's Saturday morning tweets laying out the charges. Later in the day, an Obama spokesman said "neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false."
Obama irked and exasperated in response to Trump's wiretapping claims, sources say - CNNPolitics.com

FBI =/= Obama.

 

[Veritas]

Further, the FISA request naming Trump was denied.

The one in October was not. It was narrower. Still, it was a fishing expedition that yielded nothing.

 

[Aldebaran]

FBI =/= Obama.

It wasn't the FBI that was referred to in the article. It was Obama and his people: Obama irked and exasperated in response to Trump's wiretapping claims, sources say - CNNPolitics.com
"Obama and his aides responded with disbelief when they learned of President Donald Trump's Saturday morning tweets laying out the charges."

 

[Vylo]

It wasn't the FBI that was referred to in the article. It was Obama and his people: Obama irked and exasperated in response to Trump's wiretapping claims, sources say - CNNPolitics.com
"Obama and his aides responded with disbelief when they learned of President Donald Trump's Saturday morning tweets laying out the charges."

OK, and?

 

[FenderTL5]

The one in October was not. It was narrower. Still, it was a fishing expedition that yielded nothing.

The one in October, that was narrowed to the 'secret server' that was communicating with banks in Russia?
The one that, if we believe right-wing publications, was merely a SPAM server that was sending out marketing materials to Russian bank employees who had stayed at Trump tower? The one that was investigated by the FBI to some extent; and claims that the server was located in Trump Tower, among others, are provably false.
This one?

 

[Aldebaran]

OK, and?

AND...Obama (not Trump) is the one who was lying when he said it never happened. Therefore, it is Obama (not Trump) who has some explaining to do.

 

[DaisyDay]

And where does it mention the President having the ability to do this?

Still patiently waiting for a source.

Edit:

Did you read your own link? From the first few sentences.

This order prescribes a uniform system for classifying, safeguarding, and declassifying national security information, including information relating to defense against transnational terrorism.

Are you accusing Trump of transnational terrorism?

 

[DaisyDay]

AND...Obama (not Trump) is the one who was lying when he said it never happened.

When what never happened? When Obama, through a spokesman, said, "neither President Obama nor any White House official ever ordered surveillance on any US citizen. Any suggestion otherwise is simply false." ?? Is that the "lie" you're referring to? The FBI isn't President Obama nor a White House official.

Therefore, it is Obama (not Trump) who has some explaining to do.

No, Trump has some explaining to do, but few think he ever will.

 

[Vylo]

AND...Obama (not Trump) is the one who was lying when he said it never happened. Therefore, it is Obama (not Trump) who has some explaining to do.

Based on what? There has been no indication beyond Trump's tweeting that Obama ordered him to be wiretapped.

 

[wing2000]

This is being repeated dozens of times in several threads.

Please cite sources and precedent. Last I looked that was a function of the judicial branch.

FISA request are classified documents. The POTUS has the power to declassify FISA requests or any other classified document.

 

[Always in His Presence]

FISA request are classified documents. The POTUS has the power to declassify FISA requests or any other classified document.

I understand what is being repeated time after time after times after time. What is not being presented is proof of it.

 

[DaisyDay]

I understand what is being repeated time after time after times after time. What is not being presented is proof of it.

Executive Order 13526 - Wikisource, the free online library:

Sec. 1.7. Classification Prohibitions and Limitations. 

(a)   In no case shall information be classified, continue to be maintained as classified, or fail to be declassified in order to: 

(1)   conceal violations of law, inefficiency, or administrative error;
(2)   prevent embarrassment to a person, organization, or agency;
(3)   restrain competition; or
(4)   prevent or delay the release of information that does not require protection in the interest of the national security.​