Pedophilia is excluded from government definitions of sexual orientation.
Tell that to the progressives.what difference is it to you?[q/uote]
Minors can't consent.
Just so we are On the SAME page - scandal isnt a secret sin, it's one out in the open, corrupting minds of the innocent.Equal protection means that the government cannot arbitrarily treat groups of people differently.
Your obsession with scandal cares nothing about sin that happens out of sight. Eliminating scandal hides sin rather than eliminating it.
'Putting it out there - so ppl lose innocence'...
That's what God created it for, and the secular world depends on the next generation.There is more to life than procreation. Our lives are not measured by the number of copies of our genes we spread.
Matthew 18Sin, not scandal, makes a difference on one's salvation.
7 Woe to the world because of scandals. For it must needs be that scandals come: but nevertheless woe to that man by whom the scandal cometh.
Romans 14
13 Let us not therefore judge one another any more. But judge this rather, that you put not a stumblingblock or a scandal in your brother's way.
1 John 2
10 He that loveth his brother, abideth in the light, and there is no scandal in him.
Amen.To whom ever is promoting homosexuality in a Catholic forum, FYI, the Catholic Church is not now, never was, nor will ever be, in favor of gay sexual relationships.
If Obama, or the man on the moon, whoever... makes it legal, it will never be accepted by the Church or by God, never.
It is, was and will always be, considered a grave sin... so please, to whom it may concern, stop promoting it. It's just atrocious to promote this when the Church is so obviously against it.
There is no such thing as two ppl of the same sex marrying. Marriage is an institution that belongs to the supernatural so it really doesn't much matter what any one *thinks* about it. We are not God and as hard as it is to imagine, neither is Obama.
Christianity in general does not accept two pp of the same sex marrying because it clearly is not God's will, so this thread really is just moot.
The ppl learned way back that Soddom and Gamorrah were the lesson from God.
Ppl today - forget or ignore that. Changing the course of history to suit the modern idea that if we hide it, revise it, or ignore it, it will go away.
But it will NOT go away. God doesn't go away.
Apparitions said - OUR Times are worse than Noah's and Soddom and Gamorrah...and God will not allow it much longer.
Yes, they were a secular society - no they were not Jews. God punished them all the same.
The dead sea is salt of their ash.
To some skeptics the Biblical tale of the two "sin cities" is metaphorical, but Sanders' belief - possibly supported by new evidence derived from NASA satellite photography showing anomalies on the floor of the Dead Sea - is that the cities not only existed, but their location might be found today. It took years of negotiations for Sanders to obtain clearance from the Israel army, the Jordanians and the Palestinians to search for the ruins at one of the most tension-packed places on earth. However, limited access was permitted, and we join the dive to the sea floor to uncover some compelling evidence buried in the salt.
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This video documents Mike Sanders' search for the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah beneath the Dead Sea.
People have long wondered about the locations of Sodom and Gomorrah, the cities of Genesis 19 that were destroyed because of their immorality. These should serve as an object lesson to those who would flaunt God's standards, and would give emphasis to the biblical account if their locations could be verified.
http://creationwiki.org/Biblical_Mysteries:_Sodom_and_Gomorrah
I happen to have the tape of the exploration and altho it was inconclusive, the geometrics of the 'finds' were symetric like tops of buildings.
This might be a conincidence once, but twice...three times?
If the Jordanians and Isreali's and Palestinians were to lift the fighting, it could be further explored.
Such advocacy is the norm from the highest reaches of CF now Benedicta.To whom ever is promoting homosexuality in a Catholic forum, FYI, the Catholic Church is not now, never was, nor will ever be, in favor of gay sexual relationships.
If Obama, or the man on the moon, whoever... makes it legal, it will never be accepted by the Church or by God, never.
It is, was and will always be, considered a grave sin... so please, to whom it may concern, stop promoting it. It's just atrocious to promote this when the Church is so obviously against it.
There is no such thing as two ppl of the same sex marrying. Marriage is an institution that belongs to the supernatural so it really doesn't much matter what any one *thinks* about it. We are not God and as hard as it is to imagine, neither is Obama.
Christianity in general does not accept two pp of the same sex marrying because it clearly is not God's will, so this thread really is just moot.
It is quite apparent then what Jesus would say about this.Goodness! I am well aware of what the Bible says for I have read it umpteen times. I am in no way suggesting to be God or to state that God has changed His mind. I do not, in anyway. am trying to change what is clearly stated in the Bible.
Many people have their own views for sure on a variety of subjects, from rape to female circumsion to abortion to homosexual marriage.God requires me to treat others as I want to be treated. I do recognize that there are those who are not Christian and I don't know there stand at all about what they believe God requires or even just simply but profoundly doing good for its own sake.
Yes...But I am to treat all, including for this thread, those who are gay, as I would want to be treated. I would be devastated to have any of my children gay. Still, I would be required to treat my kid as they would want to be treated. No matter who, God has not excused me from His command of treating others...
This has nothign to do with the gay marriage though.There are those because someone is gay who abuse and hurt those who are gay. Poor Matthew beat to death and hung on a fence. Matthew Wayne Shepard - A Gentle Spirit :-
Because you are a Christian, gays are murdered( How many others O Lord. Because I am a Christian?...
Do you abhor homosexuals?Because I abhor homosexuals?
Two men marrying each other need not be a right. Again, torturing people because they are gay, and Catholic teaching on marriage are not related.Because I don't want to rent to them or let them have the same rights of marriage and benefits given by the govt.
It is the arrogance of one generation that believes that marriage needs to be redefined to something that it has never been by any previous tribe, creed or religion, civilization etc. so that it will become what it never has been before.because I am hetro? But the fact is - gay people deserve the same benefits that have been given to hetro's by our govt. IMO.
Good for you. Most Catholics won't either.Remembering Nineveh was destroyed by God, not by people, I will never intentionally hurt someone for their sexual preference.
God does not hurt people for their sexual preference either actually. I am pretty sure I am right on this.I leave that to God.
Again, what does this have to do with defending and promoting Catholic teaching on marriage in a supposedly Catholic forum? This is again implying that promoting Catholic values is akin to hating and torturing people.And those who in anger and some thinking they are defending traditional marriage and God himself, to do their hateful words and actions, who do not in the least represent Him.
God does not want you to be angry here. I would be surprised if he did anyways. The truth about marriage needs your defense and protection too however. That is how I understand the teaching anyways.May God help me to stick to not hurting gays and forgive me my angry words of my past.
It is quite apparent then what Jesus would say about this.
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God does not hurt people for their sexual preference either actually. I am pretty sure I am right on this.
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Such advocacy is the norm from the highest reaches of CF now Benedicta.
Those who actually promote the Church teaching on marriage and sexuality are but a small extremist minority here, who ought to be very careful as to how we proceed, if we would like to keep posting here in the future.
Tonks has made that point crystal clear to me.
Jesus in no way would say that.. want to know why? because he hasn't.. he speaks through His Church, CC and no pope has ever said what you just did.Yes it is:
Render on to Ceasar what is Ceasar's, Render on to God what is God's.
Civil marriage is a civil right (rendering onto Ceasar what is Ceasar's)
Sacremental Marriage is a rite of the Catholic Chruch (rendering onto God what is God's)
As long as the goverment does force the Church to marry homosexuals I don't see the problem
Oh, wait, this ISN"T the "quite apparent" thing Jesus would say ?
Well, maybe you could put some quotes for the mouth of Jesus that says something else.....
Goodness! I am well aware of what the Bible says for I have read it umpteen times. I am in no way suggesting to be God or to state that God has changed His mind. I do not, in anyway. am trying to change what is clearly stated in the Bible.
God requires me to treat others as I want to be treated. I do recognize that there are those who are not Christian and I don't know there stand at all about what they believe Gpd requires or even just simply but profoundly doing good for its own sake. But I am to treat all, including for this thread, those who are gay, as I would want to be treated. I would be devastated to have any of my children gay. Still, I would be required to treat my kid as they would want to be treated. No matter who, God has not excused me from His command of treating others...
There are those because someone is gay who abuse and hurt those who are gay. Poor Matthew beat to death and hung on a fence. Matthew Wayne Shepard - A Gentle Spirit :-( How many others O Lord. Because I am a Christian? Because I abhor homosexuals? Because I don't want to rent to them or let them have the same rights of marriage and benefits given by the govt. because I am hetro? But the fact is - gay people deserve the same benefits that have been given to hetro's by our govt. IMO.
Maybe allow, what is in essence marriage, between gays but call it some other name. A chessy way that might abate the hate that is spewed? That has been proposed but can't recall right now what it is called. (Need my morn coffee.)
Remembering Nineveh was destroyed by God, not by people, I will never intentionally hurt someone for their sexual preference. I leave that to God. And those who in anger and some thinking they are defending traditional marriage and God himself, to do their hateful words and actions, who do not in the least represent Him. May God help me to stick to not hurting gays and forgive me my angry words of my past.
God bless all.
All anti-gay words and actions ties together. Apparently my points were missed. So be it.
God bless
Lady Bug. I really think our government is corrupt, and probably either doesn't know what the bible says or just doesn't give a hoot. You think?!!! Evil will always promote more evil.
Maine and New Hampshire approved gay marriage through their legislatures. Washington D.C. approved gay marriage through its council. California just recognized out of state gay marriages through its legislature. New York's governor and Rhodes Island's attorney general ruled that out of sate gay marriages were recognized in their states. Vermont transitioned from civil unions to gay marriage through the legislature.
Yes it is:
Render on to Ceasar what is Ceasar's, Render on to God what is God's.
Civil marriage is a civil right (rendering onto Ceasar what is Ceasar's)
Sacremental Marriage is a rite of the Catholic Chruch (rendering onto God what is God's)
As long as the goverment does force the Church to marry homosexuals I don't see the problem
Oh, wait, this ISN"T the "quite apparent" thing Jesus would say ?
Well, maybe you could put some quotes for the mouth of Jesus that says something else.....
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