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Oathkeeper pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy

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You don't get to plead innocent by claiming 'Hey, it wouldn't have worked anyway'. You don't get cleared of sedition because you didn't actually overthrow the government. You don't get fined for trespassing and mischief if you have admitted plotting a seditious act.

Is this now going to be the excuse? 'Hey, weren't nothing to get all excited about. Just a few good ol' boys joshing around. Just some harmless mischief. They don't mean no harm'.

Sedition? Yes. Plotted as such. Acted as such. Arrested as such. Charged as such. Admitted as such. And will be sentenced as such.

*sarcasm*

Everyone knows if someone is armed and breaks into someone's home with the intent to rape and/or murder the homeowner, but then after you have terrorized them, told them you are going to rape and/or kill them, the police arrive outside so you fail to complete the rape or murder, the perpetrator should only be charged with trespassing and possibly mischief.

It is common sense after all. I know I would be fine if someone broke into my home with a weapon, threatened to rape/murder my spouse, terrorized them with said intent, but was for some reason unsuccessful, I would of course jump for joy if they were convicted of trespassing.
 
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I am sorry... it is just funny to hear mature adults treating this as if it were something important.

Trying to assassinate the Vice President and Speaker of the House is a matter of some importance in most circles.
 
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I don't know what the likely penalty is, but I hope he gets the maximum.

He will not get the "maximum" (20+20 years) because almost no one does in the Federal system and he's also a cooperator.

His estimated sentence range is 63 to 78 months (5 1/4 to 6 1/2 years), but it will be a while before sentencing since he has some testifying to do.
 
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Trying to assassinate the Vice President and Speaker of the House is a matter of some importance in most circles.
Assassinate?...................LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.......I can't stop laughing......LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
 
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In order to "overthrow" the entire government of the USA, it would take half a million well armed and trained troops. Not a handful of drunk idiots whooping and climbing in the windows.
It is a joke to elevate this beyond anything more than trespassing and malicious mischief.

I've seen no evidence that anyone involved was drunk. In none of the statements of offense has anyone mentioned intoxication on any chemical. (There have been plenty of "I was swept up in the crowd" claims.)

Even before we get to the sedition question, you do realize that there were hundreds of assaults committed (most on police, a few on media) and destruction to property, right?
 
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He will not get the "maximum" (20+20 years) because almost no one does in the Federal system and he's also a cooperator.[/QUOTE]
That's true.....
1954 United States Capitol shooting
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1954 United States Capitol attack
Location
Washington, D.C.
Date March 1, 1954
Target United States Capitol (chamber of the House of Representatives)
Attack type
Shooting
Weapons Semi-automatic pistols: Walther P38 9mm, Luger P08 9mm, Artillery Luger 9mm.[1]
Deaths 0
Injured 5 (Alvin M. Bentley, Clifford Davis, Ben F. Jensen, George Hyde Fallon, and Kenneth A. Roberts)
Perpetrators Lolita Lebrón, Rafael Cancel Miranda, Andrés Figueroa Cordero, and Irvin Flores Rodríguez
Motive Puerto Rican independence movement
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The 1954 United States Capitol shooting was an attack on March 1, 1954, by four Puerto Rican nationalists who sought to promote the cause of Puerto Rico's independence from US rule. They fired 30 rounds from semi-automatic pistols onto the legislative floor from the Ladies' Gallery (a balcony for visitors) of the House of Representatives chamber within the United States Capitol.

The nationalists, identified as Lolita Lebrón, Rafael Cancel Miranda, Andres Figueroa Cordero, and Irvin Flores Rodríguez, unfurled a Puerto Rican flag and began shooting at Representatives in the 83rd Congress, who were debating an immigration bill. Five Representatives were wounded, one seriously, but all recovered. The assailants were arrested, tried and convicted in federal court, and given long sentences, amounting to life imprisonment. In 1978 and 1979, their sentences were commuted by President Jimmy Carter.[2] All four returned to Puerto Rico.
 
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There’s hours and hours of video footage, you haven’t seen it?
No, maybe you can post some of those 'hours and hours'......or at least post links to them so we can judge for ourselves.....
 
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Sorry, are to speaking to me?.....or someone else? If me, your comment makes no sense.....

Your post quoting my above #47 had an quotation error where your text (the 1954 stuff) was inside the quote box and it wasn't quoted in my response.
 
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Ahhhh, charged not convicted.....come back after the 'trials'......

There is an ex-cop on trial right now for assaulting officers. Here's an article about that trial from a reporter I follow:

Ex-NYC cop blames DC Police officer for assault on Jan. 6 | wusa9.com

The closing arguments were on Friday and the jury will be delineating tomorrow and onward.

There are also a number who've plead guilty to assault (they should also be listed on the DOJ page), but I don't have an exact number on hand.
 
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Your post quoting my above #47 had an quotation error where your text (the 1954 stuff) was inside the quote box and it wasn't quoted in my response.
I quoted your post; don't know what you are talking about....
 
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There is an ex-cop on trial right now for assaulting officers. Here's an article about that trial from a reporter I follow:

Ex-NYC cop blames DC Police officer for assault on Jan. 6 | wusa9.com

The closing arguments were on Friday and the jury will be delineating tomorrow and onward.

There are also a number who've plead guilty to assault (they should also be listed on the DOJ page), but I don't have an exact number on hand.
Ehhhhh, do you have the money to defend yourself against the federal gov?......talk about a stacked deck......
 
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