Oathkeeper pleads guilty to seditious conspiracy

[cow451]

I've seen the pattern many times over many years. The Feds have been leaning on this guy for over a year, so the outcome is expected. Whatever - do remember my advise.

IOW words have power.

 

[Bradskii]

This surely puts an end to the claim that it wasn't sedition. If this moron and his buddies planned this for weeks, broke into the Capitol, was arrested, charged with sedition and pleaded guilty, then I think it's done and dusted.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This surely puts an end to the claim that it wasn't sedition. If this moron and his buddies planned this for weeks, broke into the Capitol, was arrested, charged with sedition and pleaded guilty, then I think it's done and dusted.

Don't forget those cub scouts. They were into the sedition too. Time for a purge. I think we need some Gulags to deal these hordes. Just so many. Scare us so much.

 

[Bradskii]

Don't forget those cub scouts. They were into the sedition too. Time for a purge. I think we need some Gulags to deal these hordes. Just so many. Scare us so much.

It wasn't scary so much as monstrously depressing (well, except for those who were being attacked and some unfortunately killed, one by Capitol security). But we've constantly heard that it was just a minor event. Just people peacefully protesting (despite the live feed of the violence). And sedition? A monstrous lie! Fake news! The left wing media making political points.

Now we have someone who was there, who broke in, who planned it for weeks, actually admitting to the charge of sedition.

So can we now dispense with this bulldust about left wing media and liberal pundits and the Democratic party falsely calling it correctly? Can we now accept it for what it was? An attempt by some (not all, mind you) to overthrow the democratically decided election process.

I don't know what the likely penalty is, but I hope he gets the maximum.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

It wasn't scary so much as monstrously depressing (well, except for those who were being attacked and some unfortunately killed, one by Capitol security). But we've constantly heard that it was just a minor event. Just people peacefully protesting (despite the live feed of the violence). And sedition? A monstrous lie! Fake news! The left wing media making political points.

Now we have someone who was there, who broke in, who planned it for weeks, actually admitting to the charge of sedition.

So can we now dispense with this bulldust about left wing media and liberal pundits and the Democratic party falsely calling it correctly? Can we now accept it for what it was? An attempt by some (not all, mind you) to overthrow the democratically decided election process.

I don't know what the likely penalty is, but I hope he gets the maximum.

Yeah... kind of like a troop of cub scouts trying to do the same thing. The most powerful nation in the world was going to be overthrow and dragged into servitude by a batch of morons.
In order to "overthrow" the entire government of the USA, it would take half a million well armed and trained troops. Not a handful of drunk idiots whooping and climbing in the windows.
It is a joke to elevate this beyond anything more than trespassing and malicious mischief.
Sedition?
Please.

 

[Sparagmos]

The most powerful nation in the world was going to be overthrow and dragged into servitude by a batch of morons.
In order to "overthrow" the entire government of the USA, it would take half a million well armed and trained troops. Not a handful of drunk idiots whooping and climbing in the windows.
It is a joke to elevate this beyond anything more than trespassing and malicious mischief.
Sedition?

Whether or not they had any chance of success isn’t relevant to the charge. Do you think that failing at an assassination means it’s just "malicious mischief?"

 

[Bradskii]

Yeah... kind of like a troop of cub scouts trying to do the same thing. The most powerful nation in the world was going to be overthrow and dragged into servitude by a batch of morons.
In order to "overthrow" the entire government of the USA, it would take half a million well armed and trained troops. Not a handful of drunk idiots whooping and climbing in the windows.
It is a joke to elevate this beyond anything more than trespassing and malicious mischief.
Sedition?
Please.

You don't get to plead innocent by claiming 'Hey, it wouldn't have worked anyway'. You don't get cleared of sedition because you didn't actually overthrow the government. You don't get fined for trespassing and mischief if you have admitted plotting a seditious act.

Is this now going to be the excuse? 'Hey, weren't nothing to get all excited about. Just a few good ol' boys joshing around. Just some harmless mischief. They don't mean no harm'.

Sedition? Yes. Plotted as such. Acted as such. Arrested as such. Charged as such. Admitted as such. And will be sentenced as such.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Whether or not they had any chance of success isn’t relevant to the charge. Do you think that failing at an assassination means it’s just "malicious mischief?"

This is what I think of this attempted act of sedition.
It is a joke. Congressmen and congresswomen shivering in their booties.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

You don't get to plead innocent by claiming 'Hey, it wouldn't have worked anyway'. You don't get cleared of sedition because you didn't actually overthrow the government. You don't get fined for trespassing and mischief if you have admitted plotting a seditious act.

Is this now going to be the excuse? 'Hey, weren't nothing to get all excited about. Just a few good ol' boys joshing around. Just some harmless mischief. They don't mean no harm'.

Sedition? Yes. Plotted as such. Acted as such. Arrested as such. Charged as such. Admitted as such. And will be sentenced as such.

Yes..
"Run away run away!!!"

 

[Bradskii]

Whether or not they had any chance of success isn’t relevant to the charge. Do you think that failing at an assassination means it’s just "malicious mischief?"

I think it's the argument though. Maybe Hinkley should have been charged with disturbing the peace as Reagan didn't die.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

This one did not work either.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

I think it's the argument though. Maybe Hinkley should have been charged with disturbing the peace as Reagan didn't die.

LOL>..
Enough humor for one night.
Seriously...

 

[Bradskii]

Yes..
"Run away run away!!!"

Your attempt to paint the events of Jan 6th as a matter of no consequence and even as some kind of joke is noted. Luckily for all of us that you are in a minority.

 

[SavedByGrace3]

Your attempt to paint the events of Jan 6th as a matter of no consequence and even as some kind of joke is noted. Luckily for all of us that you are in a minority.

I am sorry... it is just funny to hear mature adults treating this as if it were something important.
It is not. Just another case of trying to make hay out of weeds.
It just sounds silly.

 

[cow451]

Yeah... kind of like a troop of cub scouts trying to do the same thing. The most powerful nation in the world was going to be overthrow and dragged into servitude by a batch of morons.
In order to "overthrow" the entire government of the USA, it would take half a million well armed and trained troops. Not a handful of drunk idiots whooping and climbing in the windows.
It is a joke to elevate this beyond anything more than trespassing and malicious mischief.
Sedition?
Please.

I haven’t heard any of the convicted (including plea takers) use intoxication as an excuse. The Oath keeper in question never indicated he was drunk. And he was not charged as such. I hope you are more clear about that now.

 

[cow451]

This is what I think of this attempted act of sedition.
It is a joke. Congressmen and congresswomen shivering in their booties.

A crowd breaking into your place of employment shouting “Hang (insert name of an executive) would probably cause you to “shiver in your booties”.

 

[Bradskii]

I am sorry... it is just funny to hear mature adults treating this as if it were something important.
It is not. Just another case of trying to make hay out of weeds.
It just sounds silly.

You appear to be monstrously unaware of how this was viewed throughout the world. How it affected how people view the US. How it gave ammunition to those who would do you harm. I could give you multiple examples of quotes from around the world. From government leaders expressing shock and dismay. I copied quite a few from here: Around the halls: How leaders and publics around the world are reacting to events at the Capitol

But honestly, I can't see you being interested in the slightest in reading them. It was all a harmless bit of fun to you. But for what it's worth, here are four which express one aspect of the event:

Pakistan: There was shock at the images of the insurrection in Washington unfolding on their screens. Some noted that past statements that American officials made on political transitions in Pakistan would be more applicable to the United States at this point.

Iraq: The insurrection has empowered nefarious actors in Iraq, the militia groups and criminal enterprises who thrive when America’s democracy becomes imperiled... In the future, the U.S. would be well-advised to approach democratizing states with less hubris...

Latin America: The sight of the U.S. Capitol being invaded by a mob sparked diverse reactions among Latin Americans, including horror, sympathy, and familiarity. One common reaction was to dismiss the notion of American exceptionalism. The United States showed itself to have much in common with other countries that have experienced instability, racism, and authoritarianism. Correspondingly, many used the occasion to criticize the moralizing tone of U.S. policy toward the region, noting that preaching about democracy and human rights will ring hollow.

China: The images of insurrectionists occupying America’s legislative seat of power will be part of the Chinese official media’s playback loop for a long time to come.

If those comments were about Australia then I would feel a sense of shame. You seem not to care that your country is now viewed, as regards the democratic transfer of power, to be not much better than a banana republic.

 

[cow451]

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You’re comparing tea pots and expresso machines.

 

[ViaCrucis]

This is what I think of this attempted act of sedition.
It is a joke. Congressmen and congresswomen shivering in their booties.

Question: Where were you the day of January 6th, 2021?

-CryptoLutheran

 

[adrianmonk]

Yeah... kind of like a troop of cub scouts trying to do the same thing. The most powerful nation in the world was going to be overthrow and dragged into servitude by a batch of morons.
In order to "overthrow" the entire government of the USA, it would take half a million well armed and trained troops. Not a handful of drunk idiots whooping and climbing in the windows.
It is a joke to elevate this beyond anything more than trespassing and malicious mischief.
Sedition?
Please.

Are you implying that the argument about needing guns "in case the government becomes tyrannical" is delusional ?