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AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

My Final Conclusion on these matters: Click here: Thank you everyone who participated in this forum thread! Click the quote below.

AubreyM said:

You are never going to please everyone.

People are all different in various ways.

All people are different understandings and not everyone will be on the same page together.

Except one way.

Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ to be saved to the kingdom of God -> Jesus Christ has already paid for your sins, died on the cross once for all people -> God rose Jesus Christ up again on the third day -> If you believe this in your heart you will be saved.

Saved ? From my Sins? -> That was paid for already.
Saved ? unto the Kingdom of God -> Yes.

Anyone who believes -> accepts faith through the Lord Jesus Christ are going to be saved, -> They are saved when they believe and they are given the holy spirit -> Jesus Christ baptizes in the holy spirit -> Jesus Christ and God will work on their heart and mind -> When they continue to seek God's will, spiritually understanding, and increased in the knowledge of God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

What hope is there in God? A lot of promises made.

Your choice to believe them or not is up to you:

The Promises that God provides freely are :

Relationship with God, and the Lord Jesus Christ;

Resurrection from the dead, Peace with God being justified by Faith,

You have the right to an inheritance in partaking and sharing in God's Kingdom now by faith which would make you a Child of God, or Son or Daughter of God if you walk by the spirit that is given,

You are promised that God will never leave you, or forsake you.

You are promised that you can have a prayerful relationship with God who loves and cares about everything going on in your life, and desires for you to cast your worries and burdens on Him,

You are promised freedom of the bondage of sin, and
the ability to overcome temptations when they are presented to you God will show you a way out,

You are promised a renewed mind and a renewed heart by God,
deliverance from darkness into light,

You are also forgiven of your sins: Past; present: future and have freedom of Christ in you but you are not to use that to Sin willfully but instead live by the spirit -> For when someone loves God they will turn their will towards Him rather than their own self-will to serve themselves (God can work on your heart through this)

You are promised if you live by the spirit to have kindness, joy, peace, love, gentleness, faithfulness.

There are all of the promises of God that can be named from just off the top of the holy spirit/spirit of Christ with-in me. You can freely look any of these up and hopefully you will find each of them.

Faith comes by hearing the word of God.

My encouragement to you is to go and seek the Lord Jesus Christ, and also read what you are reading in Context, don't get lost in the wisdom of Man, and what they have to say. Go look for yourself, and test and see if what people are saying is true or not.

What matters in this life is your Faith -> Love for God, and Love for Others.

There are rewards God is going to give based on your faith and love towards God and towards Others. When you receive the spiritual body given by God after this life at your resurrection.

Enjoy your relationship with God, and understand you are called in to a inhertience to have right now on this earth through belief, your sins are forgiven evenmore so after the fact of knowing they have been paid for.

Though in understanding you are forgiven through your life of mistakes as you walk with God it is not a license to sin and not care about God -> because showing love for God is living by the spirit, and being loving towards Others.

Take care, God bless, and having a great rest of the evening!

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Maria Billingsley said:

Actually. Repentance comes after you believe. Sin is not exposed to the sinner who does not care until they believe. This is how it worked when I became born again. I did not see my sin until I was regenerated with the power of the Holy spirit. It is the Holy Spirit that leads us in all truth. We repent once we realize through the power of the Holy Spirit that we are unrighteous.

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Randy777 said:

A lack of repentance would suggest one who continues to sin after coming to the knowledge of the truth.
The Lords appointing of Paul shows a change of heart for "receiving" the forgiveness of sins and a declaration of being sanctified by "faith" in Him.

to open their eyes and turn them from darkness to light, and from the power of Satan to God, so that they may receive forgiveness of sins and a place among those who are sanctified by faith in me.'

Those who hold to the testimony of Jesus and obey Gods commands will be saved.

Two asked something of Jesus when He was on the cross but only one received a reply. The one who believed in Him.

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spiritfilledjm said:

(I'm sure this point has already been made...However as I'm late to the party, I'm not reading through every response which is up to 6 pages haha)

Repented or not, yes, God forgave us our sins. However, Hebrews 10:26-27 makes it completely clear that anyone who willfully chooses to live a life of sin, there is no sacrifice for them, only judgement because they threw the sacrifice Jesus made in his face.

Let's say I get shot and cuss because of the pain. I die from my wounds without asking forgiveness for cussing...God is still just to forgive, He knows my heart.

Let's say I choose to live a life of crime, I commit murder, I steal with no remorse, but I read my Bible and believe that Jesus Christ died for my sins so I can do what I want with no consequences...that is willfully sinning...I may know God exists and His Son died for my sins but I do not actually believe, if I did I would be bearing the fruit of that belief.

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AubreyM said:

They are different.

Universal reconciliation can be found in the Bible. Look up this scripture God reconciled the world unto himself, also the two scriptures provided here. You will see the reconciliation of God.

This has to simply do with sins of the world being paid for.

God is no longer angry or mad at the world today in my view. Jesus Christ was enough to pay for the sins for all people everywhere at one time on the cross, and reconciled the world.

Doesn’t it also say in John 3 that that world might be saved through Jesus Christ.

(No faith is needed to have your sins covered they have been covered since birth before you ever knew Christ Jesus)

Now Universal Salvation says there is no faith needed to get to heaven Jesus Christ paid for it all and that is it. — This is not true.

Faith is needed in God and the Lord Jesus Christ to even become a child, son or daughter of God.

So universal salvation is false.

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AubreyM said:

People repent they change their mind. Many people change their minds about many things in life over time. Repentance does happen to while being a Christian.

Not saying that repentance doesn’t happen.

A change of mind comes by choice, and many people have to make a choice between listening to God by and through listening and hearing and learning about God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

The point am suggesting is whether or not you have done this yet, if you read the entire first post is; all of sins have been forgiven already before you were born.

God desires a relationship with you now today, and has forgiven all of your sins already. So you have been saved from them.

If you make the choice to turn towards God because he has done this for you, and turn to the Lord Jesus Christ they are ready and willing to have a relationship with you now today.

All have been saved from their sins.

All have not been saved unto the kingdom of God, unless you change your mind about learning about Jesus Christ and having a relationship with God and the Lord.

Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340/metanoeō ("repent").

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genez said:

Its... Not forgave all sins... He bore the penalty for all sins. Bore for all. Not forgave all. He took away the penalty for sin. They will still need to be forgiven for something else!

The penalty Jesus paid for was?

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genez said:
About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?")." Mat 27:46
The very worst person going to Hell will not be judged for his/her sins.

If Jesus did not die (spiritually forsaken) on the Cross for all mankind? God would have forsaken all of us, and He would have never been able to offer the opportunity to believe.

Because of the Cross? No unbelievers' sins will be mentioned at their final judgment.

And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before God,
and books were opened. And another book was opened,
which is the Book of Life. And the dead were judged
according to their works, by the things which were written
in the books." Rev 20:12
Jesus took upon himself the penalty for our sins. Therefore.. There can be no penalty/judgement for our sins! Unbelievers will instead be judged according to their works.

After searching the book, the absence of the one single work will condemn the unbeliever. That work absent will be?

Then they asked him, “What must we do to do the works God requires?”

Jesus answered, “The work of God is this: to believe in the one
he has sent.” Jn 6:28-29
No sins will be mentioned at the final judgment of the unbeliever. All penalty fell upon Jesus as he bore our sins, and for the sins of the whole world.

The unbeliever will be condemned because they never believed in Jesus, not their sins. That one thing Jesus could not pay for. If He had paid the penalty for that one thing? He would have had to reject Himself. The absence of the work of believing in Jesus is what will condemn the unbeliever. His sins will not be mentioned.

in Christ....

BNR32FAN said:

I agree that everyone’s sins have been paid for but that doesn’t mean that everyone has been forgiven. Christ paid for our sins and He will decide who will be forgiven and who will not. In Colossians 1:22-23 Paul makes it clear that faith is required in order to receive Christ’s atonement.

“And although you were formerly alienated and hostile in mind, engaged in evil deeds, yet He has now reconciled you in His fleshly body through death, in order to present you before Him holy and blameless and beyond reproach— if indeed you continue in the faith firmly established and steadfast, and not moved away from the hope of the gospel that you have heard, which was proclaimed in all creation under heaven, and of which I, Paul, was made a minister.”
‭‭Colossians‬ ‭1:21-23‬ ‭NASB1995

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1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men.

There is only one God.

There is only one mediator between God and Men.

the man Christ Jesus. -> Faith on the Lord Jesus Christ -> Access to God our Father.

Who gave Himself -> The Man Christ Jesus -> as a ransom for all.

The testimony that was given at the right time.

Christ Jesus the Man Son of God of Nazareth paid for all the sins of the world.

Ransom: 487 487 antílytron (from 473 /antí, "corresponding to, instead of/exchange" and 3083 /lýtron, "ransom-price") – properly, a full ransom, referring to Christ paying the complete purchase-price to secure our freedom (redemption) – i.e. Christ exchanging His eternal righteousness for our sin (cf. Ro 3:26; 2 Cor 5:21).

1 John 2: 2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

The world -> 2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world. Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

This is the message.

IF you have not repented and turned to God yet and turned to the Lord Jesus Christ or you have been on the fence of deciding or not.

Jesus Christ has paid for the entire world (Everyone's) sins already. You have been forgiven now today and all that there is to do is to believe and have faith, that He overcame, death, sin, Satan, and the grave.

Today you can have a relationship with God, today. Jesus Christ came, died, and resurrected and God loves you, now as you are -> And sent his son Jesus Christ to pay for the sins. - > who was resurrected from the dead by God.

It doesn't require faith to have your sins forgiven.

That work has already been done.

Universal reconciliation -> the payment of all sins for all people, is a sound biblical doctrine.

Universal salvation -> Is not true.

Everyone in this life has to make a choice to turn towards God, and make a choice accept the Good News of the Lord Jesus Christ who came to save us to the kingdom of God that we can be spiritually reborn and live by the spirit and have a an relationship with God and through the Lord Jesus Christ.

The choice you make decides on if you are saved to the Kingdom of God or not.

Will you have faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, and Trust God and his promises?

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Do you have any comments or suggestions on any of these things?

We do not use the forgiveness, for a license to sin however to grow in love towards God, and the Lord Jesus Christ for what they have done in this life for all people.

- Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Dave L · Apr 5, 2021

AubreyM said:
Do you have any comments or suggestions on any of these things?

“For he saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.” Romans 9:15 (KJV 1900)

“Therefore hath he mercy on whom he will have mercy, and whom he will he hardeneth.” Romans 9:18 (KJV 1900)

“Hath not the potter power over the clay, of the same lump to make one vessel unto honour, and another unto dishonour?” Romans 9:21 (KJV 1900)

“What if God, willing to shew his wrath, and to make his power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath fitted to destruction: And that he might make known the riches of his glory on the vessels of mercy, which he had afore prepared unto glory, Even us, whom he hath called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?” Romans 9:22–24 (KJV 1900)

Friedrich Rubinstein · Apr 5, 2021

I don't quite understand how you manage to make a distinction between repentance and faith. It says in Mk 1:14-15:
"After John was put in prison, Jesus went into Galilee, proclaiming the good news of God. “The time has come,” he said. “The kingdom of God has come near. Repent and believe the good news!”"
Do you see how these two belong together? You cannot have faith in Jesus Christ without repenting. Repentance means to turn away from sin, to turn back to God and live a "new life" (Romans 6:4).

It also makes no sense to say that the sins of unbelievers are forgiven without repentance. If their sins are forgiven, what do they get punished for at judgment day?
Jesus' death is enough to pay for all sins of the whole world, but nothing is paid if you don't repent and make use of Jesus' death.

It's like this:
Imagine there is a rich man who offers his bank account for everyone to use in case they are hungry. There is enough money so that nobody on earth has to starve anymore. But only those who believe it and go to the bank, who actually withdraw money, will be able to buy food. The rest keeps starving still.

Do you understand? There is enough money to pay for all the food, but the food is not paid unless you go to the bank. It doesn't pay itself automatically.

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Hello @Friedrich Rubinstein,

Look at the scriptures shown in the original post, they are either true or they are not.

Up to you to decide.

Hello @Dave L

Thank you for the scriptures.

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

@Friedrich Rubinstein Repent and believe in the good news was a message to the Jews,

the Gentiles -> Believe in the Good News

Lifelong_sinner · Apr 5, 2021

man, what is it with the crazy ideas being spouted here lately?? if a man doesn't repent, he cannot be reborn. Jesus said many a time, Repent! paul talked about repentance, John talked about repentance. you MUST repent!

Friedrich Rubinstein · Apr 5, 2021

AubreyM said:
Hello @Friedrich Rubinstein,

Look at the scriptures shown in the original post, they are either true or they are not.

Up to you to decide.

Hello @Dave L

Thank you for the scriptures.

Literally none of the verses you quoted allow the conclusion that repentance is not necessary. It says that Jesus died for the whole world - correct - but that does not mean that their sins are forgiven automatically. Everyone has the choice to make use of Jesus' gift of forgiveness (by repenting), everyone is free to make use of the ransom. It doesn't say more than that.

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
Literally none of the verses you quoted allow the conclusion that repentance is not necessary. It says that Jesus died for the whole world - correct - but that does not mean that their sins are forgiven automatically. Everyone has the choice to make use of Jesus' gift of forgiveness (by repenting), everyone is free to make use of the ransom. It doesn't say more than that.

Hello Friedrich,

That is what people have said for thousands of years. You must repent to receive Christ to have forgiveness.

You must repent from your sins. According to those Scriptures Jesus Christ paid for the sins of all the world.

All people have been forgiven of their sins, Jesus Christ had to victory over sin, unless you believe otherwise.

Jesus Christ paid for the all sins of the world according to those scriptures, and Jesus Christ gave himself a ransom for all.

Now this is the good news "Jesus Christ has paid for your sins already, and God loves you as you are right now, it is your choice whether you decide you are going to have a relationship with Him or not"

And it's contrary to what normally is taught.

Why is it you believe like you do, and have you ever heard of this teaching before?

Here is the greek word from Colossians 1:14 Forgiveness.

859: Cognate: 859 áphesis (from 863 /aphíēmi, "send away, forgive" ) – properly, "something sent away"; i.e. remission ("forgiveness"), releasing someone from obligation or debt. See 863 (aphiēmi). Usage: a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.

Did Jesus Christ pay for all the sins of the world;

2 Corinthians 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.

The Greek word for Sins: 3900 paráptōma (from 3895 /parapíptō, see there) – properly, fall away after being close-beside, i.e. a lapse (deviation) from the truth; an error, "slip up"; wrong doing that can be (relatively) unconscious, "non-deliberate." Usage: a falling away, lapse, slip, false step, trespass, sin.

The Greek word for reconciliation: Cognate: 2643 katallagḗ – reconciliation (restoration) as the resulting of Christ exactly (precisely) exchanging His righteousness (blood) for our guilt. See 2644 (katallassō).

The Greek word here for world is : 2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.

[The English term "cosmetic" is derived from 2889 /kósmos, i.e. the order ("ensemble") used of treating the face as a whole.] Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

Lost4words · Apr 5, 2021

Jesus sent out His Apostles to forgive sins:

John 20:21-23

21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Lost4words said:
Jesus sent out His Apostles to forgive sins:

John 20:21-23

21 Jesus said to them again, “Peace be with you. As the Father has sent me, even so I send you.” 22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and said to them, “Receive the Holy Spirit. 23 If you forgive the sins of any, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of any, they are retained.”

Hello Lost4words, what does all this mean?

Lifelong_sinner · Apr 5, 2021

So you think you can live anyway you want and still be saved?? So repentance is what exactly?? A waste of time?? Do you even know what repentance is?? Luke 13:3. This is why we must repent.

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Lifelong_sinner: Repentance Cognate: 3341 metánoia – literally, "a change of mind" ("after-thought"); repentance. See 3340 /metanoeō ("repent").

Usage: repentance, a change of mind, change in the inner man.

Repentance is a change of mind in a person.

Basically my message is telling people according to bible, everyone is saved from their sins.

They are however not saved to the kingdom of God.

God is no longer mad or angry at human kind.

There are many people who believe in an angry wrathful God that is going to punish people for their sins.

The Truth is God had sent Jesus Christ, and Jesus Christ chose to listen to his father and not sin, and paid for all the sins for all of the world.

God reconciled the world to himself because of this -> He saved everyone from sin.

They still have a choice to either live with God, or without God.

Thank you for asking.

Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Halbhh · Apr 5, 2021

AubreyM said:
1 Timothy 2: 5 For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus, 6 who gave Himself as a ransom for all—the testimony that was given at just the right time.

For there is one God, and there is one mediator between God and men.

There is only one God.

There is only one mediator between God and Men.

the man Christ Jesus. -> Faith on the Lord Jesus Christ -> Access to God our Father.

Who gave Himself -> The Man Christ Jesus -> as a ransom for all.

The testimony that was given at the right time.

Christ Jesus the Man Son of God of Nazareth paid for all the sins of the world.

Ransom: 487 487 antílytron (from 473 /antí, "corresponding to, instead of/exchange" and 3083 /lýtron, "ransom-price") – properly, a full ransom, referring to Christ paying the complete purchase-price to secure our freedom (redemption) – i.e. Christ exchanging His eternal righteousness for our sin (cf. Ro 3:26; 2 Cor 5:21).

1 John 2: 2 My dear children, I write this to you so that you will not sin. But if anybody does sin, we have an advocate with the Father—Jesus Christ, the Righteous One. 2 He is the atoning sacrifice for our sins, and not only for ours but also for the sins of the whole world.

The world -> 2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world. Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

This is the message.

IF you have not repented and turned to God yet and turned to the Lord Jesus Christ or you have been on the fence of deciding or not.

Jesus Christ has paid for the entire world (Everyone's) sins already. You have been forgiven now today and all that there is to do is to believe and have faith, that He overcame, death, sin, Satan, and the grave.

Today you can have a relationship with God, today. Jesus Christ came, died, and resurrected and God loves you, now as you are -> And sent his son Jesus Christ to pay for the sins. - > who was resurrected from the dead by God.

It doesn't require faith to have your sins forgiven.

That work has already been done.

Universal reconciliation -> the payment of all sins for all people, is a sound biblical doctrine.

Universal salvation -> Is not true.

Everyone in this life has to make a choice to turn towards God, and make a choice accept the Good News of the Lord Jesus Christ who came to save us to the kingdom of God that we can be spiritually reborn and live by the spirit and have a an relationship with God and through the Lord Jesus Christ.

The choice you make decides on if you are saved to the Kingdom of God or not.

Will you have faith on the Lord Jesus Christ, and Trust God and his promises?

Link (under signature for more information)

Do you have any comments or suggestions on any of these things?

We do not use the forgiveness, for a license to sin however to grow in love towards God, and the Lord Jesus Christ for what they have done in this life for all people.

Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

To "repent" is to admit you have been a sinner -- to put aside pride and humbly confess the truth that you have sinned.

To confess/repent means to turn from that sin, confessing it, and turn back to Christ.

Matthew 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

See 1rst John chapter 1 verse 5 through chapter 2 verse 4 for more. Christians are forgiven if they confess they have sinned.
1 John 1 NIV

For this reason most Christians on Earth attend churches where it is taught (and normal and expected) that we will at times confess our sins -- admit when we have done sin.

We don't sin all the time (and we will if we follow Christ sin less and less!...). But we do sometimes sin, and then we are to confess.

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other...

Friedrich Rubinstein · Apr 5, 2021

AubreyM said:
Hello Friedrich,

That is what people have said for thousands of years. You must repent to receive Christ to have forgiveness.

You must repent from your sins. According to those Scriptures Jesus Christ paid for the sins of all the world.

All people have been forgiven of their sins, Jesus Christ had to victory over sin, unless you believe otherwise.

Jesus Christ paid for the all sins of the world according to those scriptures, and Jesus Christ gave himself a ransom for all.

Now this is the good news "Jesus Christ has paid for your sins already, and God loves you as you are right now, it is your choice whether you decide you are going to have a relationship with Him or not"

And it's contrary to what normally is taught.

Why is it you believe like you do, and have you ever heard of this teaching before?

Here is the greek word from Colossians 1:14 Forgiveness.

859: Cognate: 859 áphesis (from 863 /aphíēmi, "send away, forgive" ) – properly, "something sent away"; i.e. remission ("forgiveness"), releasing someone from obligation or debt. See 863 (aphiēmi). Usage: a sending away, a letting go, a release, pardon, complete forgiveness.

Did Jesus Christ pay for all the sins of the world;

2 Corinthians 5:19 For God was in Christ, reconciling the world to himself, no longer counting people’s sins against them. And he gave us this wonderful message of reconciliation.

The Greek word for Sins: 3900 paráptōma (from 3895 /parapíptō, see there) – properly, fall away after being close-beside, i.e. a lapse (deviation) from the truth; an error, "slip up"; wrong doing that can be (relatively) unconscious, "non-deliberate." Usage: a falling away, lapse, slip, false step, trespass, sin.

The Greek word for reconciliation: Cognate: 2643 katallagḗ – reconciliation (restoration) as the resulting of Christ exactly (precisely) exchanging His righteousness (blood) for our guilt. See 2644 (katallassō).

The Greek word here for world is : 2889 kósmos (literally, "something ordered") – properly, an "ordered system" (like the universe, creation); the world.

[The English term "cosmetic" is derived from 2889 /kósmos, i.e. the order ("ensemble") used of treating the face as a whole.] Usage: the world, universe; worldly affairs; the inhabitants of the world; adornment.

And what exactly are unbelievers judged for at the end of ages if their sins have been forgiven?

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Halbhh said:
To "repent" is to admit you have been a sinner -- to put aside pride and humbly confess the truth that you have sinned.

Matthew 4:17 From that time on Jesus began to preach, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is near."

See 1rst John chapter 1 verse 5 through chapter 2 verse 4 for more. Christians are forgiven if they confess they have sinned.

For this reason most Christians on Earth attend churches where it is normal and expected to confess/admit sinning.

We don't sin all the time. But we do sometimes sin, and then we are to confess.

James 5:16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man has great power to prevail.

Hello Halbhh,

That is what many people say, when you sin you must confess.

However in the case of James 1:14 - Temptation comes when a man is enticed by his own desire.

The message is not to continue in sin so grace may abound.

A promise God gives to us is that we are free from the bondage of Sin.

Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Though all of the world in its entirety has been forgiven of Sin, we are born again and start walking in the newness of life.

What does it mean when it says we must confess our sins to each other? Are those the sins that God has overcome in our life? What does that scripture mean James 5:16 to you?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ paid for all the worlds sins? That is the question you have to ask yourself.

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
And what exactly are unbelievers judged for at the end of ages if their sins have been forgiven?

Hello Friedrich, they will be judged based on their unbelief - no rewards - though given a spiritual body by God and placed outside of the kingdom of God, an allowed to do whatever they desire out there for that was the choice they wanted.

In my belief. What do you believe? What do you consider about all of these things?

Halbhh · Apr 5, 2021

AubreyM said:
Hello Halbhh,

That is what many people say, when you sin you must confess.

However in the case of James 1:14 - Temptation comes when a man is enticed by his own desire.

The message is not to continue in sin so grace may abound.

A promise God gives to us is that we are free from the bondage of Sin.

Romans 6:1-4 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? 2 Certainly not! How shall we who died to sin live any longer in it? 3 Or do you not know that as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into His death? 4 Therefore we were buried with Him through baptism into death, that just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life.

Though all of the world in its entirety has been forgiven of Sin, we are born again and start walking in the newness of life.

What does it mean when it says we must confess our sins to each other? Are those the sins that God has overcome in our life? What does that scripture mean James 5:16 to you?

Do you believe that Jesus Christ paid for all the worlds sins? That is the question you have to ask yourself.

Yes, many of us are intimately familiar with every bit of Romans chapter 6. And 7, and 8....

It's not the whole of the NT though, of course, and 1rst John is quite necessary. Just like for instance Romans or Ephesians. If you want to get all the needed parts. It could be done from just the gospels, but that would take plenty of time and prayer and true full listening. The epistles are very helpful. We live by "every word from the mouth of God" as Christ our Savior says.

Friedrich Rubinstein · Apr 5, 2021

AubreyM said:
Hello Friedrich, they will be judged based on their unbelief - no rewards - though given a spiritual body by God and placed outside of the kingdom of God, an allowed to do whatever they desire out there for that was the choice they wanted.

In my belief. What do you believe? What do you consider about all of these things?

What do you do with hell then? It says "Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire" - Rev 20:15

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Friedrich Rubinstein said:
What do you do with hell then? It says "Anyone whose name was not found written in the book of life was thrown into the lake of fire" - Rev 20:15

The book ends at Rev 22, not just 20:15. Though am not good at explaining revelation. The lake of fire was made for Satan and his Angels.

Unbelievers are outside the Heavenly Jerusalem. You can see in Revelation 22. Believe Hell/ She'ol *Paradise / Prison was a place but was overcome by the Lord Jesus Christ.

Believe what the bible explains the afterlife looks like when it comes Revelation 22.

AubreyM · Apr 5, 2021

Halbhh said:
Yes, many of us are intimately familiar with every bit of Romans chapter 6. And 7, and 8....

It's not the whole of the NT though, of course, and 1rst John is quite necessary. Just like for instance Romans or Ephesians. If you want to get all the needed parts. It could be done from just the gospels, but that would take plenty of time and prayer and true full listening. The epistles are very helpful. We live by "every word from the mouth of God" as Christ our Savior says.

Yes, would encourage anyone to read and look towards the bible and grow in their knowledge and faith of God and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Thank you for your comment.

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