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[BobRyan]

and for people who never had children, never had the chance, such as those children who died young?

In the resurrection it is like one big happy family - a church picnic. A church work-bee, etc.

Matthew 22 addresses that.

During the thousand years there is species "re-set" in heaven as the saints get "fully informed" about what is about to happen at the end of the 1000 years - when the New Jerusalem comes to Earth and there is the great white throne judgment of all the wicked of all ages. during those years the Humans "come up to speed" with the level of understanding that the Angels of regarding this entire 6000 years experiment of sin and rebellion ending with the lake of fire in Rev 20.

But what about after that in the New Earth? will there be families then? Or is the one big family of mankind filling all of our need for "family" at that time?

2 Cor 4: 17 For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison,

1 Cor 2:
9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”

Eph 3:20 20 Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,

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"Let all that is beautiful in our earthly home remind us of the crystal river and green fields, the waving trees and the living fountains, the shining city and the white-robed singers, of our heavenly home—that world of beauty which no artist can picture and no mortal tongue describe. Let your imagination picture the home of the saved, and remember that it will be more glorious than your brightest imagination can portray. Human language is inadequate to describe the reward of the righteous. It will be known only to those who behold it.—Maranatha, 355. A fear of making the future inheritance seem too material has led many to spiritualize away the very truths which lead us to look upon it as our home. Christ assured His disciples that He went to prepare mansions for them in the Father's house. Those who accept the teachings of God's Word will not be wholly ignorant concerning the heavenly abode. And yet, “eye hath not seen, nor ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the things which God hath prepared for them that love Him.” 1 Corinthians 2:9. Human language is inadequate to describe the reward of the righteous. It will be known only to those who behold it. No finite mind can comprehend the glory of the Paradise of God.—The Great Controversy, 674, 675.


Christ Will Be Our Teacher—Do you think we shall not learn anything there? We have not the slightest idea of what will then be opened before us. With Christ we shall walk beside the living waters. He will unfold to us the beauty and glory of nature. He will reveal what He is to us and what we are to Him. Truth we cannot know now because of finite limitations, we shall know hereafter.—Counsels to Parents, Teachers, and Students, 162 quoted in The Adventist Home, 547. Heavenly Knowledge Will Be Progressive—All the treasures of the universe will be open to the study of God's redeemed. Unfettered by mortality, they wing their tireless flight to worlds afar—worlds that thrilled with sorrow at the spectacle of human woe and rang with songs of gladness at the tidings of a ransomed soul. With unutterable delight the children of earth enter into the joy and the wisdom of unfallen beings. They share the treasures of knowledge and understanding gained through the ages upon ages in contemplation of God's handiwork. With undimmed vision they gaze upon the glory of creation—suns and stars and systems, all in their appointed order circling the throne of Deity. Upon all things, from the least to the greatest, the Creator's name is written, and in all are the riches of His power displayed.—The Great Controversy, 677, 678.

 

[RushMAN]

This is like saying I am lying about space rockets going into outerspace.
Anyone can pick up the books, and watch the movies and see it is a promotion of magic.
I have read C.S. Lewis.

The Voyage of the Dawn Treader" is the third book in the Narnia series. It directly promotes spells and magic.

Chapter 10 ("The Magician's Book") features a book of spells that is on an island inhabited by invisible creatures called Dufflepuds. Lucy works a spell to make the Dufflepuds visible. She goes through a spell book. Then she finds the right spell and says the words and follows the instructions. And then the Dufflepuds (and Aslan) become visible. Her spell made Aslan visible, and he is pleased with what she did.

One spell is illustrated with pictures of bees that look as if they are really flying. In the world of C.S. Lewis’ day, this would not have caused practical problems. However, these days, kids can go to regular bookstores and buy spell books written by modern witches.

Many Christians are treating the Narnia books as being an allegory, with Aslan representing Jesus and the children representing Christians. If you do this with “The Voyage of the Dawn Treader,” then you portray Jesus as being pleased when Christians do magic and work spells. And you support the idea that that there are “good” spells and “good” magic. That belief is the basis for modern “white” witchcraft. However, the Bible clearly forbids any form of witchcraft:

"There shall not be found among you anyone who... practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who interprets omens, or a sorcerer, or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead. For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD." (Deuteronomy 18:10-12)

Source:
Trouble in Narnia: The Occult Side of C.S. Lewis

In other words, if a character (in the series) casts a spell, that is clearly a practice of sorcery that the Bible condemns. There is never an instance where casting a spell or sorcery is ever approved of by God. So Lewis promoting the sin of witchcraft in the series (with no correction upon such a sin). It does not matter if the sin of witchcraft leads to a positive solution or not (if there is no correction on the sin of witchcraft itself). The same can be said if adultery was promoted in the film. If a person commits adultery, and the result lead them to a happy ending, it is even worse because it is teaching that good things will happen to you if you sin. Both adultery and sorcery are a promotion of sin if such a thing is not corrected or rebuked.

Your completely delusional.

 

[Jamdoc]

In the resurrection it is like one big happy family - a church picnic. A church work-bee, etc.

Matthew 22 addresses that.

During the thousand years there is species "re-set" in heaven as the saints get "fully informed" about what is about to happen at the end of the 1000 years - when the New Jerusalem comes to Earth and there is the great white throne judgment of all the wicked of all ages. during those years the Humans "come up to speed" with the level of understanding that the Angels of regarding this entire 6000 years experiment of sin and rebellion ending with the lake of fire in Rev 20.

But what about after that in the New Earth? will there be families then?

2 Cor 4: 17 For momentary, light affliction is producing for us an eternal weight of glory far beyond all comparison,

1 Cor 2:
9 but just as it is written, “Things which eye has not seen and ear has not heard,
And which have not entered the heart of man,
All that God has prepared for those who love Him.”

Eph 3:20 20 Now to Him who is able to do far more abundantly beyond all that we ask or think, according to the power that works within us,

It is still taking away from them possibilities of joy from having spouses and children of their own.

as for increased population being the rationale for no oceans... He's God. He can make the planet large enough even with oceans to support trillions of people if He wanted, He created an entire universe and will recreate it, He can create multitudes of habitable planets. Is God really limited by habitable land shortages? No.
and even the sea would be habitable in resurrection bodies wouldn't they? They could probably breathe underwater, probably build homes in the middle of a beautiful coral reef... if God hadn't said there won't be oceans so there won't be coral reefs.

The only limitations are what God said in His word WON'T be there.

I would have loved to live on a beach. Never had the resources in this life, and God Himself has removed that possibility for me in the new earth.

I can only hope that in the Millennium I'm allowed to have that.. if the oceans aren't still completely a mess from being turned to blood and all the sea creatures dead.

 

[Jesus is YHWH]

1. Lewis is best known for his seven children's books, The Chronicles of Narnia. But he wrote more than 60 books in various genres, including poetry, allegorical novel, popular theology, educational philosophy, science-fiction, children's fairy tale, retold myth, literary criticism, correspondence, and autobiography.

2. Lewis’s close friend Owen Barfield, to whom he dedicated his book The Allegory of Love, was also his lawyer. Lewis asked Barfield to establish a charitable trust (“The Agape Fund”) with his book earnings. It's estimated that 90 percent of Lewis's income went to charity.

3. Lewis had a fondness for nicknames. He and his brother, Warnie, called each other “Smallpigiebotham” (SPB) and “Archpigiebotham” (APB), inspired by their childhood nurse's threat to smack their “piggybottoms.” Even after Lewis's death, Warnie still referred to him as “my beloved SPB.”

4. In 1917, Lewis left his studies to volunteer for the British Army. During the First World War, he was commissioned into the Third Battalion of the Somerset Light Infantry. Lewis arrived at the front line in the Somme Valley in France on his 19th birthday and experienced trench warfare. On April 15, 1918, he was wounded, and two of his colleagues were killed by a British shell falling short of its target. Lewis suffered from depression and homesickness during his convalescence.

5. Lewis was raised in a church-going family in the Church of Ireland. He became an atheist at 15, though he later described his young self as being paradoxically “very angry with God for not existing.”

6. Lewis's return to the Christian faith was influenced by the works of George MacDonald, arguments with his Oxford colleague and friend J. R. R. Tolkien, and G. K. Chesterton's The Everlasting Man.

7. Although Lewis considered himself to an entirely orthodox Anglican, his work has been extremely popular among evangelicals and Catholics. Billy Graham, who Lewis met in 1955, said he “found him to be not only intelligent and witty but also gentle and gracious.” And the late Pope John Paul II said Lewis's The Four Loves was one of his favorite books.

8. After reading Lewis's 1940 book, The Problem of Pain, the Rev. James Welch, the BBC Director of Religious Broadcasting, asked Lewis to give talks on the radio. While Lewis was at Oxford during World War II he gave a series of BBC radio talks made between 1942 and 1944. The transcripts of the broadcasts originally appeared in print as three separate pamphlets—The Case for Christianity (1942), Christian Behaviour (1943), and Beyond Personality (1944) — but were later combined into the book Mere Christianity. In 2000, Mere Christianity was voted best book of the 20th century by Christianity Today.

9. On November 22, 1963, exactly one week before his 65th birthday, Lewis collapsed in his bedroom at 5:30 p.m. and died a few minutes later. Media coverage of his death was almost completely overshadowed by news of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, who was killed less than an hour earlier. In 2003, Lewis was added to the list of saints commemorated on the church calendar of the Episcopal Church. 9 Things You Should Know About C. S. Lewis

hope this helps !!!

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Your completely delusional.

Thanks. You made a really convincing argument for how Narnia does not promote magic or sorcery.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

1. Lewis is best known for his seven children's books, The Chronicles of Narnia. But he wrote more than 60 books in various genres, including poetry, allegorical novel, popular theology, educational philosophy, science-fiction, children's fairy tale, retold myth, literary criticism, correspondence, and autobiography.

2. Lewis’s close friend Owen Barfield, to whom he dedicated his book The Allegory of Love, was also his lawyer. Lewis asked Barfield to establish a charitable trust (“The Agape Fund”) with his book earnings. It's estimated that 90 percent of Lewis's income went to charity.

3. Lewis had a fondness for nicknames. He and his brother, Warnie, called each other “Smallpigiebotham” (SPB) and “Archpigiebotham” (APB), inspired by their childhood nurse's threat to smack their “piggybottoms.” Even after Lewis's death, Warnie still referred to him as “my beloved SPB.”

4. In 1917, Lewis left his studies to volunteer for the British Army. During the First World War, he was commissioned into the Third Battalion of the Somerset Light Infantry. Lewis arrived at the front line in the Somme Valley in France on his 19th birthday and experienced trench warfare. On April 15, 1918, he was wounded, and two of his colleagues were killed by a British shell falling short of its target. Lewis suffered from depression and homesickness during his convalescence.

5. Lewis was raised in a church-going family in the Church of Ireland. He became an atheist at 15, though he later described his young self as being paradoxically “very angry with God for not existing.”

6. Lewis's return to the Christian faith was influenced by the works of George MacDonald, arguments with his Oxford colleague and friend J. R. R. Tolkien, and G. K. Chesterton's The Everlasting Man.

7. Although Lewis considered himself to an entirely orthodox Anglican, his work has been extremely popular among evangelicals and Catholics. Billy Graham, who Lewis met in 1955, said he “found him to be not only intelligent and witty but also gentle and gracious.” And the late Pope John Paul II said Lewis's The Four Loves was one of his favorite books.

8. After reading Lewis's 1940 book, The Problem of Pain, the Rev. James Welch, the BBC Director of Religious Broadcasting, asked Lewis to give talks on the radio. While Lewis was at Oxford during World War II he gave a series of BBC radio talks made between 1942 and 1944. The transcripts of the broadcasts originally appeared in print as three separate pamphlets—The Case for Christianity (1942), Christian Behaviour (1943), and Beyond Personality (1944) — but were later combined into the book Mere Christianity. In 2000, Mere Christianity was voted best book of the 20th century by Christianity Today.

9. On November 22, 1963, exactly one week before his 65th birthday, Lewis collapsed in his bedroom at 5:30 p.m. and died a few minutes later. Media coverage of his death was almost completely overshadowed by news of the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, who was killed less than an hour earlier. In 2003, Lewis was added to the list of saints commemorated on the church calendar of the Episcopal Church. 9 Things You Should Know About C. S. Lewis

hope this helps !!!

It does not change the fact that he promoted the sin of witchcraft in his Narnia books.

 

[SaintCody777]

When we finally leave this earth and go to be with the Lord God Almighty unto the Heavenly Jerusalem

What do you imagine this place where He resides to be like?

When getting there will you have a lot of questions to be asked then?

Would it, to you, be possible for free-will to exist in this place with the Lord God Almighty?

Will we be able see Jesus Christ of Nazareth?

What do you imagine there will be to do here in this new place?

When pass on unto this place, will we receive a new body from our old one?

What do you say about animals being around in this place? Even pets from the past?

What you think about having your family with you?

Would you believe that some say you wont even be able to tell who each other were at one point (family)?

Please feel free to share whatever comes to your mind about this topic, it would lovely to hear the responses from each person who does!



Some say, there is virgins and other wives to be taken in heaven.
Some say, there is probably radical waves and oceans to be surfed along side.
Some say, there is cloud sitting, playing instruments and singing.
Some say, there is nothing but worshiping proclaiming to the Lord God Almighty day and night.
Some say, possibly if there isn't any ocean in heaven they might not even wanna be there!

The current heaven right now is not perfect. In fact, in Revelation 6:9-10, many saints in heaven were still in agony, crying for God to avenge them. I won't be surprised if this current heaven can be boring. After all, that heaven along with the Earth are prophesied to be wiped away at the end of the age.
18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished (Matthew 5:18).
1 Then I saw “a new heaven and a new earth,” for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away, and there was no longer any sea. 2 I saw the Holy City, the new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, prepared as a bride beautifully dressed for her husband. 3 And I heard a loud voice from the throne saying, “Look! God’s dwelling place is now among the people, and he will dwell with them. They will be his people, and God himself will be with them and be their God (Revelation 21:1-3)
22 “As the new heavens and the new earth that I make will endure before me,” declares the Lord, “so will your name and descendants endure (Isaiah 66:22).
Our ultimate end is not going to be walking among the clouds in the sky or in some galactic cosmos. Our ultimate end will be a literal utopia in a New Earth.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

Because an eternity of doing nothing but falling on our face and singing just doesn't sound all that appealing, and that's basically what the bible says about heaven.

Sounds like you are criticizing the Bible.

 

[Jamdoc]

CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien are neither Paul, nor the antichrist, they're just fiction authors telling stories for entertainment. They weren't writing scripture, nor are they writing intentionally wicked things to lead people into hating God.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

oceans and marriage, are a few of them. I also prefer night because I like the stars and the soft light of the moon over glaring hot light of the sun and daytime, I prefer the quiet and peace of evening and night time too, vs the hustle and bustle of the day. Daytime narrows our scope of creation, it limits what we can see to just our own planet, and one blinding light. Night time lets you see off into the vastness of creation that declares the glory of God. So night, is a good thing that God created, that in the bible, God takes away.

Who are you to tell God how things should be? Do you really believe the final new earth will be bad?

 

[Jamdoc]

Sounds like you criticizing the Bible.

I'm criticizing a particular view of the bible, that since that's all that's really described to us, that's all it'll be, and that's all we should WANT it to be.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

CS Lewis and JRR Tolkien are neither Paul, nor the antichrist, they're just fiction authors telling stories for entertainment. They weren't writing scripture, nor are they writing intentionally wicked things to lead people into hating God.

You cannot throw down the fantasy card and say that the sin is not real. That would be like a book, or movie that promotes inappropriate content and yet someone says it is okay because it is just fantasy and not real.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm criticizing a particular view of the bible, that since that's all that's really described to us, that's all it'll be, and that's all we should WANT it to be.

It’s not an interpretation.
It’s what the Bible says.

Revelation 22:5 KJV
[5] And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

Revelation 21:1 KJV
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.

 

[Jamdoc]

Who are you to tell God how things should be? Do you really believe the final new earth will be bad?

I'm hoping it won't be, but truthfully, the biblical description by itself is lacking, it makes it seem like we have to sacrifice good things forever. only real hope I have is that the biblical description is not exhaustive. The biblical account was 100% focused on the throne and worship. Nothing about the rest of it, aside from things that it won't have.

 

[Bible Highlighter]

I'm hoping it won't be, but truthfully, the biblical description by itself is lacking, it makes it seem like we have to sacrifice good things forever. only real hope I have is that the biblical description is not exhaustive. The biblical account was 100% focused on the throne and worship. Nothing about the rest of it, aside from things that it won't have.

Again, this sounds like you are criticizing the Bible.

 

[Jamdoc]

Again, this sounds like you are criticizing the Bible.

If you want to believe that eternity is just a 24/7 sing along around the throne, then yes, I'm criticizing that.
2 things I like are taken away from eternity and if all we do is sing around the throne (which I hate singing, I've never liked doing it, regardless of whether or not I was good at it, I'd still detest it. It's something I have 0 desire to even want to get better at), then God please have mercy and just delete me from that monotonous robotic existence.

Thankfully, that view is wrong.
1 Corinthians 2:9

 

[Bible Highlighter]

If you want to believe that eternity is just a 24/7 sing along around the throne, then yes, I'm criticizing that.

What Scripture verse or passage leads you to believe that way?

2 things I like are taken away from eternity and if all we do is sing around the throne (which I hate singing, I've never liked doing it, regardless of whether or not I was good at it, I'd still detest it. It's something I have 0 desire to even want to get better at), then God please have mercy and just delete me from that monotonous robotic existence.

Singing comes about naturally in the Lord for those who have the fruit of joy from the Spirit. If one does not have any joy in the Lord, they need to check their spiritual compass.

Thankfully, that view is wrong.
1 Corinthians 2:9

Not sure what you are getting at here with this verse. How does it defend your belief again?

 

[Jamdoc]

What Scripture verse or passage leads you to believe that way?

When you earlier wanted to keep any speculation about eternity to only what the bible says, which is very limited, and most of it revolves around singing around the throne.

Singing comes about naturally in the Lord for those who have the fruit of joy from the Spirit. If one does not have any joy in the Lord, they need to check their spiritual compass.

People have different likes and dislikes, it's part of what makes each person unique and not a carbon copy of each other. You might enjoy singing, I do not. I might be moved to dance by joy, or jumping, or doing some other physical activity, or I might want to play an instrument, but not singing. If anything the commandment to sing is to command me to do something I dislike, to show obedience. It has no joy for me.

Not sure what you are getting at here with this verse. How does it defend your belief again?

That the new earth depiction in the bible is not exhaustive. That there's more to it than just singing around the throne, even if that's all the bible itself really covers.

 

[klutedavid]

Here is a description of heaven you will enjoy -

Heaven

A restored garden of Eden?

Where does it mention the garden of Eden in Revelation 21?

 

[Bible Highlighter]

When you earlier wanted to keep any speculation about eternity to only what the bible says, which is very limited, and most of it revolves around singing around the throne.


People have different likes and dislikes, it's part of what makes each person unique and not a carbon copy of each other. You might enjoy singing, I do not. I might be moved to dance by joy, or jumping, or doing some other physical activity, or I might want to play an instrument, but not singing. If anything the commandment to sing is to command me to do something I dislike, to show obedience. It has no joy for me.


That the new earth depiction in the bible is not exhaustive. That there's more to it than just singing around the throne, even if that's all the bible itself really covers.

Again, it sounds like you are criticizing the Bible or you have a problem with God’s instructions. Do you think Abraham wanted to sacrifice his son Isaac?