Nuke the BP well? Idea has backers, but more critics

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Can you believe this is even being considered ? That's INSANITY!!!!!!:eek:

Russian experience touted — and ridiculed; radiation, bigger blowout, time are factors


Matthew Simmons, a former energy adviser to U.S. President George W. Bush and the founder of energy investment-banking firm Simmons & Company International, is another calling for the nuclear option.
Even former U.S. President Bill Clinton has voiced support for the idea of an explosion to stem the flow of oil, albeit one using conventional materials rather than nukes.
Should BP nuke the leaking well? - U.S. news - Environment - msnbc.com
 

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Adding radiation to the mix is NOT insanity????? :doh::doh::doh::doh:

It would be an infinitesimal amount. Do you know how big the gulf of Mexico is? And if it stops the oil, its well worth it.

Oh, and please stop overusing smileys. :doh::doh::doh::doh:
 
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Its alright to reserve that call untill we've looked at the pro's, con's and risks in detail.

Gut instinct though. I agree that seems nuts, but then there's a reason we dont think with our gut.

Assuming all other options are used and nothings worked and all we got left is a nuke we have what, three options?
1. let the oil spil, deal with the escaping oil best we can.
2. nuke and seal the spill, deal with the escaped oil.
3. nuke and fail to seal, Deal with the now radioactive oil and possible added problems like godzilla.

To be fair i dont even know if radioactive oil is possible. but it sure sounds spooky
 
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Its alright to reserve that call untill we've looked at the pro's, con's and risks in detail.

Gut instinct though. I agree that seems nuts, but then there's a reason we dont think with our gut.

Assuming all other options are used and nothings worked and all we got left is a nuke we have what, three options?
1. let the oil spil, deal with the escaping oil best we can.
2. nuke and seal the spill, deal with the escaped oil.
3. nuke and fail to seal, Deal with the now radioactive oil and possible added problems like godzilla.

To be fair i dont even know if radioactive oil is possible. but it sure sounds spooky

The idea of radioactivity makes the idea a total non-starter in the U.S. But let's throw that out. The whole idea is one huge blast that melts and fuses the rock. Even in a good situation it is possible to fuse near the current wellhead and fracture farther way. That could change one well defined point into an ill defined zone.

That alone puts this in a desperate last resort category.
 
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The idea of radioactivity makes the idea a total non-starter in the U.S. But let's throw that out. The whole idea is one huge blast that melts and fuses the rock. Even in a good situation it is possible to fuse near the current wellhead and fracture farther way. That could change one well defined point into an ill defined zone.

That alone puts this in a desperate last resort category.

And the oil continues to spew...

Whatever, the Russians would have stopped this in the first week. Y'all Americans will soon be renaming the Gulf of Mexico the 'Sludge Pond'. But hey, whatever works for you.
 
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And the oil continues to spew...

Whatever, the Russians would have stopped this in the first week. Y'all Americans will soon be renaming the Gulf of Mexico the 'Sludge Pond'. But hey, whatever works for you.

And how would the Russians have accomplished that?

Read up on hte techniques they used before yuo make a bigger fool of yourself.
 
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And how would the Russians have accomplished that?

Read up on hte techniques they used before yuo make a bigger fool of yourself.


Okay.

Use nukes to contain the oil spill

Nukes, a simple proven method to stop oil leaks

A leading Russian daily has come up with another option-nuke the spill. Though it sounds more like fiction and somewhat outlandish, the fact is that Soviet Russia had used controlled nuclear explosions to contain oil spills, on at least five different occasions. The science is to drill a hole near the leak, set off the explosion and then seal off the leak-used in the soviet for an oil spill in the desert. If it is rocky surface the explosion would shift the rock which then squeezes the funnel of the well. The first underground nuclear explosion was done in Urt-Bulak in 1966 to control burning gas wells. The success ratio is quite high with only one of them failing to prevent a spill in Kharkov region in 1972.
There is an analogy between using nukes to stop the oil leak and using Chemotherapy on a cancer patient. Chemo nearly kills the patient in order to kill all cancerous cells. Yet it is the best known way to stop cancer. The same goes with using nukes underwater. Like chemo it is drastic yet has a 80% success rate, better than anything else.

Some analysts are against the use of nuclear explosions on fear of the effects on the environment. But the world has already done underwater testing of nuclear devices and if there was a huge environmental disaster as a result of it, we'd have known by now. Indeed, Commandant Cousteau, renowned biologist led numerous dives following French underwater nuclear explosions in the Mururoa atoll and noted very little impact on sea life.
using nukes to stop the leak is the most ecological alternative. Stopping the leak before too much oil leak is the key, speed is of the essence. Nukes would allow this to be resolved in a matter of days. This would save thousands of miles of shoreline, millions of animals by not allowing this toxic sludge to contaminate the shore.
One of the main issues with using nukes is public opinion. Even though it's the most ecological alternative, nukes have a huge public stigma hard to overcome, mostly due to ignorance. Nuclear bombs are not intended to be used for peaceful, ecological purposes and educating the public on this possibility is an uphill battle.
This technology was used by the Russians, the USA's sworn enemy at the peak of the cold war. Never mind the relatively high success rate of 80%, no politician in his right mind would sell a Russian solution to the public.
Of course, BP does not have nukes. The US military does, of which the Army Corps of Engineers would probably have to design a plan to use them on the leak. The United States has about 5,113 nuclear war heads, as revealed by Pentagon according to the Strategic Arms Reduction purpose. So, why not use them for peaceful purpose for once?
And this article is from May, if only this solution had been implemented then we [correction: you] wouldn't have the mess you do today.

Have I made a bigger fool of myself? :)
 
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Did yuo even bother to read what you posted?

The science is to drill a hole near the leak, set off the explosion and then seal off the leak-used in the soviet for an oil spill in the desert.

Or do you think the Russians can magically drill holes instantly?
 
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Aren't there two holes being drilled right now, Keith?

Yup, and it has been a whole lot longer than the week you cited.

On that I'm not sure a nuke can be made that fits in a standard bore hole. Oversized holes are possible, but would require special equipment.

In short the Nuke idea would ahve accomplished nothing at this point. And it looks like the Russian sources were not proposing it as a early solution.
 
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Yup, and it has been a whole lot longer than the week you cited.
They've been drilling the relief wells since May Keith.


On that I'm not sure a nuke can be made that fits in a standard bore hole. Oversized holes are possible, but would require special equipment.
You're making stuff up now, Keith, you have absolutely no idea what the diameter of the relief wells are, nor do you know whether an off-the-shelf nuke would fit into said relief well.

In short the Nuke idea would ahve accomplished nothing at this point.
Other than stopping the leak.

And it looks like the Russian sources were not proposing it as a early solution.
May 11 is not early? That's 2 months ago, right? Alrighty then.
 
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This can't be a serious idea.

The Gulf will recover from a natural spillage, it won;t recover from nuclear detonations!

As a BP shareholder, I just hope this is more scaremongering.
Interesting definition of natural.
 
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