Post-Trib Only Nuclear Apocalypse ?!

[Endtime Survivors]

There's a pretty good case for America being destroyed via a nuclear strike. The various beasts in Daniel and the Revelation match up pretty well with the dominate powers of the world today (i.e. Eagle/America, Lion/England, Rooster/France, Bear/Russia, and Dragon/China) all of which happen to be permanent members on the UN security counsel at the moment.

One of the beasts in Daniel is a lion with eagle's wings, but in the Revalation account the eagle's wings are missing from the Beast. There's also mention of the Eagle's wings being "plucked". In Revelation 18 there is a description of Babylon which almost entirely focuses on material obsession. Babylon is described as a "great city" who says to herself, "I sit as a queen and will never see sorrow". Also, a prostitute is known for promising love, but really only caring about money. I've never seen a more accurate description for Babylon than the country of America.

Revelation 17 describes Babylon as "sitting on" a "red beast" but, with the help of the dragon and "10 kings" will turn on the prostitute and destroy her "in one hour". If a communist Russia/China alliance, aided by 10 other countries (there just happen to be 10 rotating members on the UN security counsel) could quickly destroy America in a surprise military strike over the North Pole, then France and England would be powerless to stop a takeover at the UN.

The prophecy says these 10 kings will giver their dominion over to the Beast; he is able to come to power because of their help. This is especially true if the 10 king alliance includes countries like India and Brazil. The eagles wings will be plucked ushering in a new era of dominance.

No one will be able to stop the new alliance and no one will have the stomach for a world war after the complete and total annihilation of America in such a brutal way. The world will accept the new power, especially since it will be a great opportunity for whoever the new world leader is (almost certainly someone from Russia or China) to promote peace and prosperity.

Anyway, that's the way I see prophecy lining up with world affairs.

 

[stephen583]

There's a pretty good case for America being destroyed via a nuclear strike.

Some Bible scholars are perplexed by a seeming lack of any direct reference to America in End Time Bible prophecy. Personally, I believe their confusion stems from a superficial and incomplete reading of these prophecies, (as indicated in your post). The Book of Daniel in particular describes certain prophecies which could relate directly to the United States and it's armed forces.

In Daniel 11:40 war is described as coming like a "whirlwind" with many ships. Everyone has witnessed the "Shock and Awe" of U.S. military might and knows U.S. naval firepower is unsurpassed by any other nation on earth, (Daniel 11:30).

In Daniel 11:44 it says he (the Antichrist) "shall go forth with great fury to destroy and utterly to make away many", (a reference to nuclear war ?!). The prophecies of Daniel 11 also describe those who "live carelessly (neglegently) in the isles" being destroyed. I believe this to be a direct reference to Great Britain and America.

Rome is also described as being destroyed in a catastrophic attack, that leaves the city uninhabitable and unapproachable, "so that sea captains must remain far off for fear of her torment". Let's not forget, Rome is not only the location of the Holy See, it is also the headquarters of NATO's Southern Command, (a military target).

 

[stephen583]

According to Zachariah 13:8 two thirds of the Jews in all the whole land will be cut off and perish at the time of the end. By my calculations that's over 4.3 million people, an astonishing 66 % of the population of Israel. Let me put that number in some frame of reference everyone can understand.

As horrific as the Second World War was, ninety seven percent of the earth's population survived it. All the battlefield casualties, civilian collateral casualties, deaths from starvation and disease only killed 3% of the earth's entire population.

How is 66% of the population of Israel supposed to be cut off and die ?! Not by conventional warfare, that's for sure. Those kinds of casualties from conventional warfare are a mathematical impossibility. Nuclear and Chemical warfare are the only rational explanation for those kind of numbers.

So I'm afraid, everyone who was hoping for a Non-Nuclear Apocalypse is going to be gravely disappointed by what happens.

 

[Endtime Survivors]

Hi Stephen583. It sounds like we have some agreement on America being destroyed? Is that right? If so, I glad we could find some common ground.

 

[stephen583]

How can we have "In God We Trust" printed on our money, and yet at the same time in a landmark decision that abandoned the fundamental religious principles upon which this country was founded, have the United States Supreme Court legalize same sex marriage in June 2015 ?!

How could we grant China MFN (Most Favored Nation) trade status, just a few years after the Tienanmen Square massacre of democracy protestors ?!

How could we invite Russia to join the WTO (World Trade Organization) and grant them MFN trade status in 2012, the same year a U.S. State Department Report on Human Rights Violations in Russia labeled Vladimir Putin as a dictator who was having his political opposition murdered in extra-judicial executions and systematically imprisoning and torturing political dissenters in Russia ?!

What are we doing supplying Saudi Arabia with arms, military intelligence and U.S. military advisors when Saudi Arabia already has one of the largest and most modern armies in the Middle East ?! When did the United States become the lap dog of the Saudis ???

Why did Washington turn over the "War on Terror" in Syria to Vladimir Putin in September 2015 and allow Iran to swarm into Syria and Iraq with thousands of Iranian Republican Guard troops and Hezbollah terrorists ?!

Uumm. Yes. The United States of America has made some very bad decisions at a very critical time in Bible prophecy.

I'm watching this presidential election very closely, and I have to say it looks like the outcome is going to spell disaster for the United States of America. Never before has such a powerful nation, faced such grave danger, with so hopeless a prospect of any effective leadership in its' immediate future, as the USA does now.

 

[stephen583]

I'm also concerned about the political chaos unfolding right now in Europe. In just two months (June 2016) England will vote to exit the European Union, (dubbed the Britexit referendum by the press). According to many political analysts, Scotland and Ireland are expected to follow England's lead. Germany and the Scandinavian countries could soon follow. This instability comes as a second wave of Syrian and Iraqi refugees are about to hit the shores of Europe. This second wave will be a thousand times larger than the one that occurred in September 2015.

Economists fear a weaker European Union could have severe ramifications on the European Common Market, as countries scramble to renegotiate trade agreements and economic ties. The uncertain situation could cascade into a worldwide global depression of unpresidented scale. In other words, the Third Horseman of the Apocalypse is about to arrive.

The renowned American political analysts, Marvin Kalb has just released a book about Russian/European relations, in which he says now is the time for Vladimir Putin and Russia to move against Europe militarily. In March 2016 the foreign minister of Belgium stated NATO would not intervene should Russia go to war with Turkey. The political will of Western Europe to go to war with Russia over the Ukraine or the Balkans is also very much in doubt according to Kalb.

Should NATO balk in either of these situations, the North Atlantic Treaty Organization would crumble virtually overnight. I have to agree with Marvin Kalb on his rather grim assessment of the circumstances. I believe as he does, we are very, very close now to a Third World War.

Taken together with the nuclear arms race in the Middle East, that has emerged out of the very bad IRAN Nuclear Deal, (British intelligence says the Saudis are acquiring nuclear warheads from Pakistan for their intermediate range ballistic missiles), and North Korea's threats, as well as the growing missile rearmament of Hezbollah forces in Syria and Lebanon, and IRAN's call for renewed hostilities against Israel... I think the clock has just about ran out, before it's time for the "Nuclear Apocalypse" to begin.

For this reason, I won't be posting as regularly on this thread as I have been in the past. It's time to start devoting more time to more pressing concerns, such as making preparations to leave the city. I will try to check in from time to time, and stay in touch for as long as possible.

 

[stephen583]

Started adding more to my stockpile of emergency provisions this week and thought it expedient to share a few tips with those who might be doing the same thing. Whether we are talking about stocking up for the Apocalypse, or just a week in the wilderness camping, you might find some of these suggestions worth considering.

As I mentioned earlier in the thread, canned food is heavy to transport. Did you also know heating cans of food in their containers over a campfire can be extremely toxic ?! The inner lining of cans contain (BPA) Bisphenol that causes ADHD, heart disease and cancer. It is especially prevalent in cheap canned foods, bean and tomato products purchased in dollar discount stores. For long term storage canned foods must be stored away from any heat source whatsoever. On the floor, is better than on a high shelf. Exposure to direct sunlight, should naturally be avoided at all times.

Same goes for "Cup of Noodle" soups. The cups are made of "polystyrene" a cancerous, neurotoxin. Pouring boiling water into them, is not something I would recommend doing. Buy a small metal pot for the campfire, or dump it in the pot with some water and let the sun heat it up if you are worried about someone seeing the smoke.. It only takes about thirty minutes.

Avoid genetically modified seeds, grains and food products containing GMO's. This includes seed for planting, cereals, flour, corn meal, or anything sweetened with high fructose corn syrup. If the Apocalypse doesn't kill you, this stuff will.

Soda pop, sports drinks and citrus flavored water contain BVO (a chemical that damages the kidneys, liver, thyroid and the heart are to be avoided. The containers of these products are bulky and heavy to transport anyway. The alternative. Drink tea or water instead.

Don't repackage anything in zip lock bags and put it in your backpack. Your body heat and sunlight will heat up your backpack and cause the zip lock bags to expand. The zip lock seal opens, (especially on the cheap ones) and you've got a total mess in your backpack.

Some things I recommend. Instant coffee. If you are a coffee drinker, believe me you don't want to forget this and experience caffeine withdrawl. It's very unpleasant and debilitating. Precooked bacon in unrefrigerated packaging. What is life without a little bacon now and then ?! Crumbled on top some butter flavored instant grits and you've got a real moral booster in the morning.

Nuts and seeds in snack packs. A good source of fat and essential nutrients when you are on the go. Peanut butter. Same thing. Powdered mashed potatoes. Good source of carbs, it ain't heavy to transport and it makes you feel full. Comes in all kinds of luxurious flavors. I'm especially fond of cheese and herb potato soup. Again. a real moral booster on the trail.

Remember, bears and other predators and scavengers can smell tin cans and food packaged in plastic wrappers. They know that is where the food is. So don't keep cans or bags of food in your tent. Bag it up, haul it up into a tree, bury it and pour a splash of bleach on the ground on top of it, or lock it up in a larder with a solid door.

Don't use flowery scented stick deodorant, perfume or after shave either. If you do, you might as well baste yourself in some beef or chicken stock before you turn in. Your dinner quest Mr. bear, mountain lion, or wild boar will be arriving shortly. Only use "unscented" deodorant and foot powder.

Anyone who has any other camping tips, short or long term provision ideas is most welcome to post your suggestions in this thread. Thanks everyone.

 

[stephen583]

Another tip is to include dietary supplement drinks in your long term provisions, as well as your field rations. At 8 or 10 ounces, the plastic bottles are low weight. They store without refrigeration, and can be consumed on the move. Drinks like Special K and Ensure provide proteins and nutrients your body needs. While you are in transit, or working hard to establish your retreat camp, cooking hot meals will be a luxury you won't have time for. Purchased by the case, the individual cost can be reduced to under $1 dollar per serving.

I have bushwhacked and backpacked through some of the most rugged terrain and canyon lands in the Western United Sates, and lived for weeks on nothing more than dietary supplement drink, nutrition bars and water.

 

[stephen583]

Another piece of equipment I've found very beneficial in primitive survival situations is the frequently overlooked "cast net". Growing up in Louisiana I learned to use a cast net at a very young age. A nine year old child can master the technique with a small net in a matter of minutes. Place the loop around your wrist, gather up half the net in the other hand, stick one of the weights from the remaining half of the net in your teeth, and sling the net outwards in a sweeping motion. The idea is, to broadcast the net so it opens up into a nice circular pattern. Don't ever forget to open your mouth when you cast the net, or you'll likely lose a couple of teeth.

With a cast net, you can capture bait fish (minnows) that can be used on multiple hooks on a trot-line to catch bigger fish. Between digging for earth worms and using a cast net, I can bait three or four trot-lines in a matter of an hour. Any extra minnows can be used as bait for dead fall varmint traps, or you can place the minnows and worms on the ground and use the cast net to catch a few birds. In any event, a cast net will provide numerous ways to substantially increase your food supply with minimal effort. I've even used one to catch turtles and frogs, which make for a pretty filling and tasty stew.

From a security standpoint, one of the biggest advantages of a cast net is that it doesn't make a loud "Bang" when you use it, advertising your presence for miles around. The deception of being able to feed yourself from wild game, is also beneficial from the standpoint of concealing the fact you have a large cache of store bought provisions nearby. "What the eyes see, the heart lusts after". If you do offer someone food for trade, or out of charity... offer them wild game and not canned goods, or store bought food. No point in putting evil thoughts into someone else's mind. I would even offer someone a cast net, before I offered them store bought food. "Feed a man a fish, and he's not hungry for a day.. teach a man to fish, and he's never hungry again".

I've lived on BLM land and in Natl. Forests for months without being detected, because I never fired a shot, or built a bon fire in my camp site. Indians have a saying, "build a small fire and sit close, Indian stays warm".. "Cowboy builds big fire, sits far away and gets cold". Where ever you are, you're generally not more than six miles away from a forestry fire lookout tower. In drought conditions they sometimes use aircraft to spot smoke as well.

Smoke in bright daylight is a big no, no. It can be seen for miles, and the smell of smoke can be used to pinpoint your camp site, even in the heaviest brush. It's better to build a tiny fire at dusk or dawn when daylight is defused and smoke is harder to see. People are generally less likely to be out wandering around at those times, (except hunters). Windy, rainy conditions during daylight hours are generally a safe time to risk a really small camp fire as well.

 

[stephen583]

Since I recently started accelerating my acquisition of supplies, I ran again into the common problem of securing sufficient medical supplies. In America, you can't even purchase Sudafed in quantity because it's used to produce methamphetamine (crystal meth). Forget about acquiring medical equipment like sutures, scalpels, syringes and pain medication like Lidocaine and Morphine unless you are a doctor and have a license to practice medicine.

I ran into a similar situation years ago when I owned a 29 foot sail boat and tried to put together a comprehensive medical kit to deal with most emergencies and injuries at sea. Every time I tried to add something to the kit, I found out it was illegal to obtain without a license to practice medicine.

Despite the roadblocks, there are older and other alternative solutions to most of these medical supplies. For instance, most people are unaware "Superglue" was developed during the Vietnam War as an emergency means to close open wounds. I never go back-packing in the wilderness without it. Mechanical injuries (and the inability to treat them) are one of the leading causes of death among wilderness hikers. WD-40 can also be used to treat painful sprains and torn ligaments allowing a hiker some relief in order to walk out after a bad injury. Believe it or not I used WD-40 for this purpose. It also relieves arthritis pain. Of course I carry small pouches of Tylenol as well. I'd be stupid not to. Duct tape can double as medical tape, and is useful for creating a pressure bandage. A few packets of iodine swipes to prevent infection in wounds is a good addition to your field pack, as well as an assortment of small sterile individually packaged bandages.

For your long term supplies, a larger bottle of Betadine (providone-iodine) is recommended for treating open wounds. It's legal to buy in America and available in drug stores. Also if you wear eye glasses, don't forget to double up and add an extra pair to your supplies, as well as any prescription medication you might require.

Surprisingly, many of the day to day ailments you are accustomed to experiencing will vanish once you no longer consume large quantities of processed food. Obesity, Type II diabetes, allergies, asthma, high cholesterol, high blood pressure, stomach ulcers, constipation, loose bowels and many other aliments are directly related to what you consume and how you live. Processed white sugar is deadly. I use a liquid alternative made from the Agava plant and I no longer take type II diabetes meds. There really are natural alternatives to taking prescription medications.

As I mentioned earlier in this thread. I highly recommend everyone get a copy of the book entitled "Where There Is No Doctor". It was written for missionaries headed for Africa. It lists natural remedies as well as alternative solutions to medical problems that include how to diagnose and treat (if possible) common aliments and injuries in the field. Don't venture into the Apocalypse without a copy.

 

[stephen583]

I know... Most of you are thinking "this guy is nuts, I'm no doctor"... "I'd faint at the sight of blood". All I can say is, necessity has a way of changing the way everyone looks at things. I felt the same way before I joined the fire department, was trained as an EMT and delivered two babies, as well as treating innumerable injuries.

Since then, I treated my own wounds on my sailboat after a terrible storm that left me with a four inch bloody gash on my skull and deep lacerations on my hands. I treated my own abscessed tooth with raw garlic (also known as Russian penicillin) and later broke the tooth off at the gum using a pair channel lock pliers and copious amounts of Evan Williams Whiskey, while I was living homeless and camping in the mountains of Colorado two years ago.

You can do almost anything, if you have to and there is no alternative. My best advise, is to sign up for a first aid class (most of these are free and offered through various community services). More advanced "First Responder" classes are offered at little cost, (usually $100 to $150 dollars). First Responder and EMT certification are both paid for by no cost Veteran grants if you served in the U.S. Military and received an Honorable Discharge. After receiving your EMT certification, you are only a few hundred more hours of class room instruction away form becoming a nursing assistant. From there, it's RN and Nurse Practitioner. In a couple of years, you could acquire a vast amount of medical knowledge at almost no cost whatsoever.

Of course, the alternative will be to stand there helplessly and watch as people suffer and die needlessly in front of your eyes from ailments and injuries that could have been easily treated with a little medical knowledge. Recently a 59 year old hiker (outdoorsman) died in New Mexico from exposure to the elements, (probably hypothermia). The sad thing is, hypothermia is easily avoided if someone has the wilderness training to recognize its' symptoms and knows how to shelter.

Forget the Apocalypse, just going into any wilderness situation without such training and knowledge is insane. Even National Parks can be treacherous when underestimated. Each year, many people die or disappear in the five largest Western National Park Systems in America. They succumb to mechanical injuries, (falls and rock slides), drownings (venturing into rapids or being caught in canyons during flash floods), exposure (sudden changes in weather and temperature), dehydration and wild animal attacks. Not to mention, leaving a marked trail and just plain getting lost.

That is exactly what killed an experienced 69 year old hiker (Gerldine Largay) on the Appalachian Trail two years ago. She wandered off the trail for a restroom stop and was found half a mile from it DEAD from starvation and dehydration. If a lifelong hiker can die so easily that way, imagine how easy it would be for an inexperienced greenhorn to die in the same circumstances.

 

[stephen583]

I can not emphasize enough, NOW is the time to develop survival skills and stockpile supplies. When the Third Horseman of the Apocalypse appears and the economy collapses, IT WILL BE TOO LATE. When everyone realizes their paper money and plastic are WORTHLESS, there will be PANIC. Hysterical people WILL begin fighting for resources. You must have an exit plan and be long gone BEFORE THIS HAPPENS !!!

China and Saudi Arabia are already threatening to sell hundreds of billions in U.S. holdings and Treasury Notes as the New Cold War era and the situation in the Middle East heats up. Relations between the United States, Russia and China are deteriorating by the day. THERE MAY BE LITTLE OR NO WARNING WHEN THE WORLD ECONOMY COLLAPSES. You must start preparing NOW.

 

[stephen583]

In a meeting on Maritime Co-operation In International Waters in Hawaii last week, China warns the United States to STOP making P-3 Navy surveillance flights over it's bases in the South China Sea, (Reuters News 5/30/16). Earlier this month, two J-11 Chinese fighter planes maneuvered dangerously close to a U.S. P-3 surveillance plane (within 50 feet) nearly causing a mid-air collision over the international waters of the South China Sea.

The next escalation will come when a Chinese fighter plane or surface to air missile SHOOTS DOWN a U.S. Navy P-3 surveillance plane. THE CLOCK IS TICKING.

 

[tatteredsoul]

With the New Cold War era heating up people, (especially Christians) are becoming increasingly nervous about recent events developing in the Middle East over the last six months. Iran has a sweet Nuclear Deal that doesn't allow U.S. inspection of suspected sites, and many believe Iran will have a nuke in less than two years.

In June 2015 U.S./Russian relations take a nose dive as the Russian backed Ukrainian civil war continues and U.S. surveillance planes flying over international waters in the Black Sea are challenged by Russian fighter planes. Days later, Russian President Vladimir Putin is disinvited from attending the G7 summit in Geneva, Switzerland.

In July 2015 as large numbers of Russian ground forces move toward the border of Ukraine, Vladimir Putin threatens to use nuclear weapons against NATO if the West tries to intervene in the Russian backed Ukrainian civil war. NATO immediately responds by forward deploying a "Fast Reaction Force" of thirty thousand ground troops, artillery and main battle tanks closer to the Ukrainian border. This force is later joined by twenty F-22 advanced (nuclear capable) stealth fighter bombers, and the U.S. threatens to redeploy intermediate range nuclear missiles to Western Europe removed at the end of the last Cold War, (CNN News July, 2015).

Three months later, thousands of Russian Spetznaz (special forces) troops are on the ground in Syria, joined by Iranian Republican Guard and Hezbollah terrorists ostensibly there as our (allies?!) in the War on Terror fighting ISIS. Hundreds of advanced Russian fighter planes and (night capable) Hind Attack Helicopters, (dubbed the flying tank) join the ground troops. Off shore the Russian forces are supported by a Typhoon Class nuclear ballistic submarine, the heavy guided missile cruiser "Moskava" (also nuclear capable), as well as China's new aircraft carrier the "Liaoning Jian". Also in September, China makes a deal to supply Iran with four hundred of their advanced J-10 (F-16 equivalent) fighter aircraft, (CNN News, Sept. 2015).

On October 1, 2015 Washington and NATO accuse Russia of concentrating on attacking anti-Assad forces in Syria while ignoring ISIS. Then on October 11, Washington accuses Russia of attacking and killing U.S. advisers on the ground in Syria supporting the ant-Assad forces, (CNN NEWS, Oct.11). Does anyone seriously still believe Russia is our ally in the War on Terror ?!

In January 2016 Russia sends a fighter aircraft into Turkish airspace and the plane is shot down by Turkey, Russia expands their operations to include Iraqi territory and takes possession of a major air base 25 miles west of Baghdad. Syria now bristles with Russian surface to air missile batteries, and ECM (Electronic Counter Measure) installations have popped up on mountain tops in Southern Syria to block U.S, NATO and Israeli surveillance in the country, (Debkafiles). What is going to happen when Hezbollah terrorists in Syria start launching rockets into Israel once again ?! The supreme leader of Iran (The Iatollah) publicly calls for renewed attacks against Israel.

Russia is now in a poised to stop Israel and the U.S. from building a natural gas pipeline from its' "Leviathan" gas field in the Mediterranean to Turkey, thus breaking Russia's stranglehold of natural gas supplies to Western Europe.

By my estimation, SAC (Strategic Air Command) has gone from DEFCON 4 (Normal) to DEFCON 2 at least four times in the last six months. At DEFCON 2 America's nuclear bomber forces are flown to within 1,500 miles of Russian airspace (Fail Safe)and wait there for the attack codes to be issued by the President of the United States. Time till bomb drop is less than three hours. DEFCON 1 is Nuclear War. The missile silos are opened and they launch, along with naval forces worldwide. The Apocalypse.

In July-September 2015 another disturbing event took place called operation Jade Helm 15. Thousands of elite military troops dispersed throughout the South Western United States in nine states to remote locations far away from major cities and existing military bases, in what the U.S. government alleged were combat training exercises for future overseas deployment. (Question). Why would they be training off base in remote locations on civilian owned land, when combat training has always been traditionally carried out in the past on land reserved for military use ? (Answer). They wouldn't.

Jade Helm 15 was a "dress rehearsal" or drill for the dispersal of U.S. ground forces nationally in the event of Nuclear War. The special forces units have prepared the ground and systems necessary for the two million ground forces that will be dispersed in the event of war. All you have to do is take a look at where they dispersed to and compare that to a Nuclear Fallout map from the 1970's. The Book "Nuclear Apocalypse" is a good place to start, but it's a dreary read and it gets rather technical at times.

Homeland Security wasn't created to combat Terrorism in the USA either. Their offices are located in every major U.S. city, and their job is to act as the command agency when all civilian law enforcement and emergency services are federalized in time of war. There is no plan to evacuate U.S. cities. The civilian population will be forced to shelter in place. Most police and fire departments have already been issued radiological dose (rad/per hour) pens and meters to read the pens. If the interstates and highways are suddenly shut down, and you see cops wearing these radiation dose pens.. Well it's DEFCON 1.

You also may see naval ships leaving harbors in a mass exodus if you live in a port city. Low flying military aircraft will also be scrambling to rural civilian airports where runways have been extended in the last couple of decades to receive them. Of course all your friends in the reserved armed forces will be throwing duffel bags in their cars and driving away like a "bat outta hell". Other than that, there won't be any announcement on television or radio warning the American public of what's coming.

This thread is open for people and Christians to discuss plans for how to survive the Coming Nuclear Apocalypse. In it, I will also reveal the Scriptural proof that makes a case for at least a "limited" nuclear war during the Second Half of Tribulations (The Great Tribulation Period).

My purpose is not to spread hysteria or sanction militant anti-government ideology in this thread. If you want to talk about how to get yourself killed during the Apocalypse, please start your own thread and talk about it somewhere else. I hope what you read here will help you and other Christians to prepare for and survive what is shortly about to come upon the whole world.

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and stand before the Son of Man" (Luke 21:36, KJV).

Nooclear war wont last long - 6 to 18 months.

20 MT nooke has about a 5 mile razing radius, a 10 mile radius severe radiation/heat/concussive damage, 15 miles radius moderate radiation/heat/concussive damage, 20+ miles radius is light to moderate radiate/heat/concussive damage. A 20 MT nooke would have a "4.7 - 5.3" earthquake associated with it. Fallout should be avoided for seven days at least. If you are outside of immediate fallout, or prevailing winds, get tinctures of iodine and rub them on your thyroid with a q-tip. Your thyroid readily absorbs the radioactive iodine that will make up most radioactive particulates in the dust. You will need to saturate your thyroid with normal iodine so that you do not absorb a radioactive particle.

It is important to remember it only takes one radioactive particle to be irradiates for the entirety of the radioactive particle's half life. Radioactive iodine has a half life of about eight days (so if you can, stay indoors and/or away from fallout for at least a week.)

You can filter water using natural multi-state filtration systems. I like at least five stage using rocks, pebbles, dirt, sand and non-irradiated woolen fabrics. You can use chlorine tabs, or hydrogen peroxide as antibiotics to purify water.

I would also stay away from Fed'ral help organizations. The amount of people fighting for aid alone will cause problems. And, in a nooclear situation, there will likely be chaos in the cities before any aid comes. That is another important thing just as much as clean water: try to stay away from cities, and dense populations. Lawlessness will be just as deadly as an actual hot war situation.

 

[stephen583]

If anyone is curious about what dying from radioactive exposure entails, there are plenty of pictures and medical descriptions from the Hiroshima and Nagasaki attacks. I recommend you forego eating anything shortly before viewing these archival photos and reports. Death by radioactive poisoning is very gruesome. The only comparison to death by disease, is being exposed to the Ebola Virus or Weaponized Small Pox. For this reason, I'm going to spare everyone the medical description for fatal radioactive exposure and bomb blast injuries (burns) in this thread.

 

[Razare]

Just a tip, never interpret eschatology according to what you see in the world around you.

It's a hard lesson I learned last year.

For we live by believing and not by seeing. - 2 Corinthians 5:7

While it might seem attractive to tie all the juicy details into how it fits into God's word, it's actually far more interesting to not do this, and just believe God's word, and then learn more about God's word than you currently know.

Being baptized in the Holy Ghost (2nd Holy Ghost Baptism from Acts 2, not John 20:22) is probably necessary to do this. This super-charges our ability to understand God's word.

 

[stephen583]

After a meeting today in Brussels of NATO defense ministers, General Jens Stoltenberg announced NATO will reinforce its' naval strength in the Black Sea. Russia immediately responded to the announcement and said, "Our naval forces in the Black Sea will act decisively to neutralize any perceived threat in the area", (AP Wire Service, 06/16/2016).

"Neutralize" is a common military euphemism for "attack and destroy"...

Tick tock. Tick tock.

 

[Another Lazarus]

The judgment in the end time shall come by the 2nd-6th seal and it doesnt indicate any judgment by fire/nuke.
Neither the 7 trumpets and 7 vials of God mentions judgment by fire except the 1st trumpet of fire mingled with blood poured down to earth

May Jesus bless you all HalleluYAH

 

[yeshuaslavejeff]

With the New Cold War era heating up people, (especially Christians) are becoming increasingly nervous about recent events developing in the Middle East over the last six months.

Wrong group called "Christians" then.

 

[Luke17:37]

According to Zachariah 13:8 two thirds of the Jews in all the whole land will be cut off and perish at the time of the end. By my calculations that's over 4.3 million people, an astonishing 66 % of the population of Israel. Let me put that number in some frame of reference everyone can understand.

As horrific as the Second World War was, ninety seven percent of the earth's population survived it. All the battlefield casualties, civilian collateral casualties, deaths from starvation and disease only killed 3% of the earth's entire population.

How is 66% of the population of Israel supposed to be cut off and die ?! Not by conventional warfare, that's for sure. Those kinds of casualties from conventional warfare are a mathematical impossibility. Nuclear and Chemical warfare are the only rational explanation for those kind of numbers.

So I'm afraid, everyone who was hoping for a Non-Nuclear Apocalypse is going to be gravely disappointed by what happens.

There's a lot of dying going on for sure.

Seal 4: (Revelation 6:8)
"8 So I looked, and behold, a pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death, and Hades followed with him. And power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill with sword, with hunger, with death, and by the beasts of the earth."

I always thought this meant one fourth of the world's population, but maybe it does not. (And this seal comes after war, which surely kills many as well.) Maybe it means 1/4 of the earth's populated areas are subject to this plague. If we're here, it will probably become obvious.

Then there are the martyrs (fifth seal and beyond) - lots more death.

Revelation 8:9 (second trumpet) destroys a third of the ships and living creatures in the sea. More death.

The third trumpet affects a third of the rivers and fresh waters, and many people drinking them die from the water. More death.

In the days of the sixth trumpet, a third of mankind are killed.

At the seventh trumpet, I'm sure many will die in the great earthquake and I imagine anyone hit by one the hundred pound hailstones is also going to die. There was golf ball to baseball size hail in a town near me the other night. It broke the windshields in vehicles and severely damaged the surfaces of the cars, perhaps even totaling them. I'm sure the hail wasn't more than a few pounds.

So there is, cumulatively, an awful lot of death--numbers we can't quite imagine.

Isaiah 24:6
6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth,
And those who dwell in it are desolate.
Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned,
And few men are left.

Isaiah 13:12
12 I will make a mortal more rare than fine gold,
A man more than the golden wedge of Ophir.