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now, then, and the end

Discussion in 'Eschatology - Endtimes & Prophecy Forum' started by Douggg, Mar 18, 2018.

  1. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    Futurists only, please.

    I am starting this thread so everyone can throw in their two bits of what happens during these three periods. Pick any particular period(s).

    1. the period before Gog/Magog - where we are now. What could materialize.
    2. the period after Gog/Magog - when the world thinks it has entered the messianic age.
    3. the period when the Day of the Lord begins - by the Antichrist revealing himself to be the man of sin.
     
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  2. Handmaid for Jesus

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    Period # 1, Where we are now is a period of waiting and watching. There is great anxiety. People are losing hope. There is much chaos in various places. The Middle East has vomited out much of it's inhabitants. There are wars and rumors of wars. There are many natural disasters, floods, earthquakes, sink holes,disease outbreaks, animal die offs, and people are wondering what in the world is going on. There is persecutions of Christians, churches are being bombed and burned. Many are being beheaded. There are signs in the heavens and strange things being seen in the sky and falling from the sky.And famine grips many lands.
     
  3. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    What WILL happen: [according to the Bible prophets]

    The enemies of the Lord gather - Micah 4:11, Ezekiel 36:2
    They conspire to attack Israel - Psalms 83:1-8, Isaiah 21:2
    They prepare their weapons - Psalms 7:12, Ezekiel 7:14
    [as is the situation today]


    At the moment of attack, God will use His Creation: the sun to send fire - Deuteronomy 32:22 & 34-35, Isaiah 30:26 & 30, Psalms 11:4-6, Isaiah 66:15-17, 2 Peter 3:7, Amos 1:1-15 & 2:1-5, , Psalms 50:1-3, Zephaniah 3:8, Revelation 6:12-17

    The suns surface will explode with an extremely bright flash and the moon will reflect bright red - Isaiah 30:26, Joel 2:31, Acts 2:20, Habakkuk 3:4-5

    The Lord will make their weapons recoil upon themselves, the EMP hit will explode them- Psalms 7:13-16, Joel 3:4, Obadiah 15

    Then the sun, moon and stars will be obscured by the approaching Coronal Mass Ejection - Psalms 18:11-12, Isaiah 13:9-13, Ezekiel 32:7-8, Amos 8:9

    A huge superhot mass of hydrogen plasma approaches the earthJoel 1:15-20, Malachi 4:1, Zephaniah 1:14-18

    Everyone on earth will be shocked and terrified - Jeremiah 6:24-26, Ezekiel 21:5-7a, Isaiah 13:6-8, Revelation 6:15-17

    The atmosphere will be pushed aside , [on the side facing the sun]– Revelation 6:14, 2 Peter 3:10, Isaiah 34:4

    The whole earth will be enveloped by fire - Isaiah 66:15, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:7

    Only a remnant will survive in the Holy Land - Zechariah 13:8-9, Isaiah 6:11-13

    He will judge the nations, all the wicked will die - Isaiah 63:1-6, Habakkuk 3:12, Revelation 14 18-20, Isaiah 66:17, Isaiah 29:20-21, Hebrews 10:27

    His enemies will become ashes - Malachi 4:3, Ezekiel 30:1-5, Jeremiah 49:2, Matthew 3:12b

    Millions will die around the world - Psalms 97:3-5, Jeremiah 25:33, Isaiah 13:12

    The Lord will protect those who call to Him - Isaiah 43:2, Joel 2:32, Acts 2:21

    But most people will hide under shelter until it passes. Isaiah 2:19, Revelation 6:15

    The survivors form a One World Govt. - Daniel 7:23-24, Revelation 17:12

    The Holy Land will be regenerated - Ezekiel 36:8, Joel 2:21-24, Isaiah 35:1-10, Amos 9:13-15, Jeremiah 33:12-14

    And the Lord's righteous people will gather there. - Ezekiel 20:34-38, Isaiah 66:18b-21, Revelation 7:9

    They will become the new nation of Beulah - Isaiah 62:1-5, Ezekiel 36:3-38, Jer. 31

    They will build a new TempleZechariah 6:15, Haggai 2:9, Ezekiel 40 to 48

    The attack by a Northern army, Gog from Magog, will be won by the LordEzekiel 38:22, Joel 2:20

    The leaders of Beulah will sign a 7 year peace treaty with the leader of the O.W.G. Daniel 9:27, Isaiah 28:15

    At the mid point he will break it and conquer Beulah -Daniel 9:27, Zechariah 14:1-2

    This commences the 7 Trumpets and 7 Bowls of the Great Tribulation - Revelation 8:2

    Those who kept their faith in God will be taken to a safe place on earth. Daniel 11:32b, Revelation 12:14

    3.5 years later, Jesus will Return for His Millennial reign - Revelation 19:11-21, Matthew 24:30-31, Zechariah 14:3-4

    The Lord has told us His plans and He will not relent or change them - Jeremiah 4:28
    There are plenty more prophesies and details to prove this scenario.
    Believe it or not; up to everyone to decide! Psalms 19:11-12, Isaiah 48:6, Acts 13:41
     
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  4. R. Hartono

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    After Gog n Magog war :

    The 3rd Temple shall be allowed to be built due to Israel's victory.

    The two Witnesses that shall appear and shall be killed after 3.5 years of testimony in the Great Tribulation (70th week of Daniel)

    The Bible has revealed that the 7 seals and 5 trumpets will happen in the first 3.5 years of Tribulation.

    The clue is the two Witnesses that shall be killed after 3.5 years of testimony in the Great Tribulation (70th week of Daniel)
    Rev 11:3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
    7 And when they shall have finished their testimony, the BEAST THAT ASCENDETH OUT OF BOTTOMLESS PIT shall make war against them, and shall overcome them, and kill them.

    THE BEAST FROM BOTTOMLESS PIT SHALL BE RELEASED BY THE 5TH TRUMPET SOUND AND KILL THE TWO WITNESSES AT 3.5 YEARS OF TRIBULATION.
    1 And the fifth angel sounded, and I saw a star fall from heaven unto the earth: and to him was given the key of the bottomless pit.2 And he opened the bottomless pit.....
    11 And they had a king over them, which is the angel of the bottomless pit, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

    SO THERE WILL BE 12 EVENTS IN THE FIRST 3.5 YEARS (7 Seals + 5 Trumpets)

    The Beast Abaddon will then possess antichrist and he will enter the Temple of God in Jerusalem to declare himself as God, as the 2 Witnesses of God have been defeated.
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    Apollyon is the fallen angel put into the bottomless pit by angel Raphael.
    Raphael bound Azazel under a desert called Dudael according to Enoch 10:4–6:

    And again the Lord said to Raphael: "Bind Azazel hand and foot, and cast him into the darkness: and make an opening in the desert, which is in Dudael, and cast him therein. And place upon him rough and jagged rocks, and cover him with darkness, and let him abide there for ever, and cover his face that he may not see light. And on the day of the great judgment he shall be cast into the fire.
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    In Revelation 9:11, the beast of the Abyss is called by the names Abaddon and Apollyon
    which means "destroyer." The sin of Azazel was teaching men to create weapons and make wars that people kill one another.
     
  5. R. Hartono

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    The situation now : Israel has been pushed to accept the Two States solutions and to divide Jerusalem.

    Until now, at this end of times, the Jews still do not believe that Jesus is the real Messiah, the devil know this and will use this opportunity to present his antichrist as the Messiah to rule Israel and the world from Jerusalem.

    The fake messiah will build the 3rd temple beside the mosque as the symbol of "peace", after Israel's victory in the battle of Gog n Magog.
    Revelation 11:2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles:
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    The court is where the mosque in now built.
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    1 Thes 5:3 While people are saying, "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.

    This destruction after peace will happen after the antichrist is launched with the 1st seal opening to make 7 years peace covenant between Israel-Arab enemies (2 States Solution) and other parts of the world (the devil will stop the war he is making), which will begin the final 70th week of Daniel/ 7 YEARS OF GREAT TRIBULATION WILL BEGIN WITH "PEACE".
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    Jerusalem shall be made an int'l city by the UN
    Rev 11:2 ...and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

    After that short moment of fake peace people will yell :"Peace and Safety !"
    They saw peace made by the "messiah" in the M.E. and the world, the Temple of God side by side with the mosque as the symbol of Peace in an int'l city owned by all nations (Jerusalem), what else would people be expecting ?

    Then all of a sudden, after a short period of peace, peace will be removed from the world
    Rev 6:4 And there went out another horse that was red: and power was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto him a great sword.

    2 Thes 2:10 THEY PERISH BECAUSE THEY REFUSE TO LOVE THE TRUTH AND SO BE SAVED.

    THE WORLD IS NOW PUSHING ISRAEL TO ACCEPT THE TWO STATE SOLUTIONS AND DIVIDE JERUSALEM WITHOUT ANY GOOD RESULT.
    There will be no peace until the antichrist (the prince) comes and make the 7 years covenant
    between Israel and Arab enemies.
    Dan 9:26...and the PEOPLE OF THE PRINCE THAT SHALL COME shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; 27 And he (the ROMAN PRINCE) shall confirm the covenant with many for one week

    History shows there has never been any 7 years covenant between Israel and their Arab enemies, so this ONE WEEK COVENANT IS THE FINAL WEEK OF DANIEL which is the final 7 years of Great Tribulation.

    Antichrist cannot make the 7 years peace covenant before the 1st seal is opened where he will be empowered to make peace.
    Dan 8:25....and by peace shall destroy many..
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    Because antichrist is restrained now until the Holy Spirit is removed with the church
    2 Thes 2:7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the One who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will slay with the breath of His mouth and abolish by the majesty of His arrival.

    The world is now expecting peace in M.E. especially between Israel-Arabs.
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    We are on the final moment of the end times where the antichrist looking at this situation will come up to seize the whole world, after the Holy Spirit and the church is taken to heaven.
     
  6. Riberra

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    People are losing hope in what ...the pre-tribulation rapture ?After ALL the failed predictions that is not surprising .

    In what the actual situation is worst than during WW1 and WW2 during the 20 TH Century ?That is exactly what Jesus said was to happen in Matthew 24 ----->as being the beginning of sorrows .

    The persecution of Christians have started in the First Century.....we are very lucky to live in America.

    Which signs ?

    What are these things falling from the sky [outside of some small meteorites]?Do you have some images or videos ?
     
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  7. shilohsfoal

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    Why did you list the events backward?
    Do you believe the book of revelation is wrong?
     
  8. seventysevens

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    One of the signs is when the love of people waxes cold , people boasting of themselves seeking self righteousness and we see this in the church and in this forum where people disparage others simply because they see things a little differently - they show no love but show contempt for their brothers and sisters inspite of Jesus instructing not to do it - they seek conformity and if they don't get it they insult people - yep as the scripture says -
    These are the Last days
    Maranatha
     
  9. DawnStar

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    Sorry no room for a 3rd temple next to the Dome of the Rock and you have it imagined.

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  10. keras

    keras Writer of studies on Bible prophecy

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    Actually there is.
    I have been on the Temple Mount and behind the DoR and in line with the East gate, [at the right of your nice photo, above the Jewish cemetery; now blocked] there is a small shrine called the Dome of the Spirit, where it is claimed- the Holy of Holies was. Plenty of room for a new Temple there.

    However, it is my belief that the forthcoming Day of the Lords wrath will destroy the DoR and the Ai-Aqsa mosque, clearing the site for the new Temple. Zechariah 6:15
     
  11. seventysevens

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    Interesting google maps has included the 3rd temple

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  12. DawnStar

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    Nothing on Google maps says this is the third temple. Matter of fact is simply says Temple Mount. This is more than likely a historical depiction of Herod's temple.
     
  13. seventysevens

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    watch video and listen to the guy , how can you actually see something that has not yet been built ? It is speaking of how google is already mapping out the location and drawing the lines to where it would be ,if it could not fit not likely google would be mapping it ;) something such as this has many moving parts with much volatility - not as simple as building a shopping mall ;)
     
  14. Douggg

    Douggg anytime rapture, non-dispensationalist, futurist

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    I am not going to be answering to either one of those two types of questions.
     
  15. shilohsfoal

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    You still listed the three events backward.Anyone who has read and believes revelation knows the day of the lord comes first which begins the reign of the saints with Christ,then Gog invades Israel 1000 years after Christ has come.
     
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