Now that I put my faith in display to my coworker things are even more difficult and uncomfortable

discipler7 · Jun 23, 2018

Deniz said:
Matthew 6:25-26

MATTHEW.6: =
8 “Therefore do not be like them. For the Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 In this manner, therefore, pray: ...
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You Cannot Serve God and Riches
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

Do Not Worry
25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
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MATTHEW.6 says that God already knows that His people need food/meals, drinks/water and clothing(and shelter.?). They are not to worry about such things as God will provide for them. Not to worry = no need to ask God. Those who worry and ask/pray to God for such things are "of little faith" and are after mammon. "Without faith it is impossible to please God"(HEBREWS.11:6).
....... His people are not to worry about such assured things but to seek first the kingdom of God/heaven. Do we truly know the way to the kingdom of God/heaven.? Eg Are we justified for salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone or justified by the works of the Law or justified by works+faith or justified by faith+works or justified by faith+works of NT Law or any Law.

If you want to pray/ask God for your daily meals/feed(/bread.?), you might as well pray/ask God for your daily drinks and clothing(and shelter.?).

I do not think "daily bread" refers to ordinary daily meals or feed/food.

discipler7 · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
I may be interpreting what he is saying incorrectly but it almost seems like how train of though is identical to that of the pharisees. The idea that we or solved cn keep the law and that in exchange for keeping the law we are rewarded with salvation? Does that sound like the gist of what he is advocating?

No, you keep the Law so that you will not be cursed/punished by God or His agents, and not so that you will be rewarded with salvation. What happens if you were really sex-trafficking a 19 yo girl and got arrested by the Mississippi police.? The Law is only the tutor to bring you to Christ for salvation(GALATIANS.3:24). The Law does not bring you salvation. The Law brings curses when broken/disobeyed, eg murder, adultery, stealing, lying/cheating, etc.
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For further clarification, please refer to this thread ...
Justification by Faith Defended!

MichaelDB · Jun 23, 2018

LoricaLady said:
Considering her history I would also be thinking: STDs.

Yeah.... this is the unspoken reason our boss insisted on blood tests for both her and the man she bit. An aside, exactly what you said about her history. Our boss was kind of danced around the subject and didn't want to say it out right but she was really concerned about how much of her blood was all over the SUV. She kept asking me if I wore gloves, if I washed my hands, if I got any of her blood or other fluids into my mouth, eyes, or other anything.

MichaelDB · Jun 23, 2018

LoricaLady said:
As far as her biting into a guy's arm, I consider that concerning because she should never have put up with the first instance of sexual harassment. If she had put him in his place and told him she was going to report him he would not have escalated. If a guy thinks he can put his hand on a woman's fanny with no consequences, of course he is going to escalate.

This too is very true. That's why I honestly believe it is wrong that she accepted to be bought off with a shopping trip, some gas cards and some free dinners. She really should have demanded at least the man be disciplined but even with that she just wants to "settle the score the next time that manager comes to the office". She then said something cryptic about how this time "he wasn't ready for her in his home, he will be in for a real surprise when he goes to her home" meaning the office.
I don't understand why she accepted such an inconsequential pay off. The girl has money she doesn't need gift cards and shopping sprees.

Deniz · Jun 23, 2018

discipler7 said:
MATTHEW.6: =
8 “Therefore do not be like them. For the Father knows the things you have need of before you ask Him. 9 In this manner, therefore, pray: ...
.

You Cannot Serve God and Riches
24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.

Do Not Worry
25 “Therefore I say to you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat or what you will drink; nor about your body, what you will put on. Is not life more than food and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air, for they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns; yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 Which of you by worrying can add one cubit to his stature?

28 “So why do you worry about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow: they neither toil nor spin; 29 and yet I say to you that even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 Now if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is, and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will He not much more clothe you, O you of little faith?

31 “Therefore do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For after all these things the Gentiles seek. For your heavenly Father knows that you need all these things. 33 But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things shall be added to you. 34 Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about its own things. Sufficient for the day is its own trouble.
_ _ _ _ _ _ _

MATTHEW.6 says that God already knows that His people need food/meals, drinks/water and clothing(and shelter.?). They are not to worry about such things as God will provide for them. Not to worry = no need to ask God. Those who worry and ask/pray to God for such things are "of little faith" and are after mammon. "Without faith it is impossible to please God"(HEBREWS.11:6).
....... His people are not to worry about such assured things but to seek first the kingdom of God/heaven. Do we truly know the way to the kingdom of God/heaven.? Eg Are we justified for salvation by faith in Jesus Christ alone or justified by the works of the Law or justified by works+faith or justified by faith+works or justified by faith+works of NT Law or any Law.

If you want to pray/ask God for your daily meals/feed(/bread.?), you might as well pray/ask God for your daily drinks and clothing(and shelter.?).

I do not think "daily bread" refers to ordinary daily meals or feed/food.

The more you seem to deliberately dodge what the main issue is and make it seem like there is something else going on, the more I am convinced you have ill intentions. I have contacted the forum staff about you teaching people to sin, encouraging lust, fornication, premarital sex, presenting demonic doctrine as "Christian doctrine" and amongst other stuff; I'll let them decide.

In the meanwhile, I'm following your posts to make sure you aren't confusing Christians and teaching them to sin; but I won't be engaging in this conversation any longer. Let the moderators examine your posts and take action accordingly.

LoricaLady · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
Yeah.... this is the unspoken reason our boss insisted on blood tests for both her and the man she bit. An aside, exactly what you said about her history. Our boss was kind of danced around the subject and didn't want to say it out right but she was really concerned about how much of her blood was all over the SUV. She kept asking me if I wore gloves, if I washed my hands, if I got any of her blood or other fluids into my mouth, eyes, or other anything.

That's interesting. I do feel sorry for the woman, as you do, and have prayed for her. No doubt others here have, too. Not that I'd trust her a micro second, of course. As for the sax playing in your truck, that could cause a noise induced hearing loss, as any loud noises at close range can. Of course it would also be a hazardous distraction for her to play it in traffic.

I have prayed for you to find the right lady for you.

Deniz · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
@Deniz I don't understand any of what @discipler7 says. I have never ever heard any church or other Christians interpret scriptures as such. In fact some of what he or she says (don't make a habit of prayer) is extremely troubling and stands counter to everything I have ever learned. I may be interpreting what he is saying incorrectly but it almost seems like how train of though is identical to that of the pharisees. The idea that we or solved cn keep the law and that in exchange for keeping the law we are rewarded with salvation? Does that sound like the gist of what he is advocating?

I'm not sure what he's trying to do, but I don't see anything good or Christian about it. I'm really glad you've spent that time with the Lord and shared us your story here, thanks Michael.

vinsight4u · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB · Jun 23, 2018

LoricaLady said:
She is still hitting on you and won't stop, most likely.

Of course I will stay vigilant. But she set me up with one of her Christian friends. I am suppose to go meet her today. You suppose that this is an OK idea right? I spoke to this woman a couple hours during the drive and she seems completely normal. Another aside it seems like my coworker now is more interested in buying my bronco from me than anything sexual. She has so far offered her Lexus in exchange plus 4k now . And she is PERSISTENT I an considering biting in this just to get her to shut up about it. Is a good deal would it be right to do it?

LoricaLady · Jun 23, 2018

Deniz said:
The more you seem to deliberately dodge what the main issue is and make it seem like there is something else going on, the more I am convinced you have ill intentions. I have contacted the forum staff about you teaching people to sin, encouraging lust, fornication, premarital sex, presenting demonic doctrine as "Christian doctrine" and amongst other stuff; I'll let them decide.

In the meanwhile, I'm following your posts to make sure you aren't confusing Christians and teaching them to sin; but I won't be engaging in this conversation any longer. Let the moderators examine your posts and take action accordingly.

Oh wow. I am so grateful to you for wanting to keep me from thinking for myself and appointing yourself as the guardian of not just my mind, but my soul. Not. Not.

I have seen zero in this OP's posts to meet the accusations you offer about this him. You need to be reported yourself.

MichaelDB · Jun 23, 2018

LoricaLady said:
Oh wow. I am so grateful to you for wanting to keep me from thinking for myself and appointing yourself as the guardian of not just my mind, but my soul. Not. Not.

I have seen zero in this OP's posts to meet the accusations you offer about this him. You need to be reported yourself.

@LoricaLady with all due respect I don't think he means you. There is another guy commenting her who is dating that it is OK to engage in fonication and saying not to make a habit of prayer.

discipler7 · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
From what I understand that woman is a Methodist.

AFAIK, Methodists are Reformed Anglicans, eg Methodists have bishops. Methodists are quite strict on holiness or sanctification = must keep/obey the Law/commandments/rules of the Church. Their services are quite old-fashioned, eg singing of ancient hymns = can be staid and boring.
....... Generally, Methodist teachings are OK, wrt Protestant doctrines. I prefer Baptist.

Will views on same-sex marriage split one of America's largest Protestant religions?

vinsight4u · Jun 23, 2018

vinsight4u · Jun 23, 2018

LoricaLady · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
Of course I will stay vigilant. But she set me up with one of her Christian friends. I am suppose to go meet her today. You suppose that this is an OK idea right? I spoke to this woman a couple hours during the drive and she seems completely normal. Another aside it seems like my coworker now is more interested in buying my bronco from me than anything sexual. She has so far offered her Lexus in exchange plus 4k now . And she is PERSISTENT I an considering biting in this just to get her to shut up about it. Is a good deal would it be right to do it?

Well, I don't think it is ever a good idea to do anything just to get someone to shut up. Don't be bullied about the car, but always make your decisions based on what is good for you. What do you actually want? Also, if you do decide to consider her car, I assume you will first have it checked out thoroughly by a professional mechanic. Again, this woman seems to have no moral compass.

As for the woman you want to meet, please be careful. There is a saying "Birds of a feather flock together." It isn't 100% true, but there is wisdom in it. Find out real fast what the friend's faith is. Be honest with her about things your co worker has done. Tell her about the man who harassed her. See how she reacts to those stories, from a Christian point of view. It is not enough for her to show she feels sorry for your co worker. That's fine, but what are HER feelings about the Lord, about the antics of her friend?

Of course you will pray for guidance. I can't advise but the Holy Spirit sure can!

Deniz · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
No question about it. She's not playing with a full deck. But to be fair the guy did grope her not once, not twice, but three times. She just ignored when he slapped her rear the first time, she asked him to remove his arm from her the second time, and she only bit him when he grabbed her breasts. I am sure that man will think twice before harassing another woman.
But you are correct, nothing about her head changed in this situation she is just as corrupt, promiscuous, unrepentant, and unhinged so I know she can still be used as a tool.
So do you suppose it is OK to get to know the woman she introduced me to? From what I understand that woman is a Methodist. She loves my coworker as a daughter but she says she is scared to death that some of her antics may get her killed one day. She doesn't think my coworker is wicked just immature, meaning she doesn't necessarily condone her behavior but she doesn't support it either.

Hey again Michael,

As long as you keep praying and standing strong in the Lord, you can be a light to that young lady. Don't see her as just a corrupt/unrepentant/dangerous person; she is no threat to the Holy Spirit that lives in you. Your part is to keep growing in the Lord and crushing weaknesses through prayer and asking for grace so that you might bring His salvation to others; and the Lord is faithful to grant.

I don't think there's anything wrong with spending time with that Christian lady, honestly it sounds more like God rewarding you for doing the right thing.

LoricaLady said:
Oh wow. I am so grateful to you for wanting to keep me from thinking for myself and appointing yourself as the guardian of not just my mind, but my soul. Not. Not.

I have seen zero in this OP's posts to meet the accusations you offer about this him. You need to be reported yourself.

Hey Lorica,

I wasn't quoting you or the OP of the thread, there was another conversation going on which I don't think you were following. No hard feelings.

LoricaLady · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
@LoricaLady with all due respect I don't think he means you. There is another guy commenting her who is dating that it is OK to engage in fonication and saying not to make a habit of prayer.

DENIZ Oops. Sorry. My apologies.

discipler7 · Jun 23, 2018

MichaelDB said:
Funny you should say that. I did try this and what she did was just grab her saxophone and start playing Holy Holy and when I tried to get her to stop (not really a good idea to pay an alto sax inside a an enclosed SUV) she said she thought I wanted to "Praise". She for some reason knows a ton of praise songs and can play them from memory.

= this likely means she was once very much involved in Church music. Later, maybe she back-slid because she got dumped by her "Christian" musician bf after "sacrificing" her virginity to him.
....... There are false Christians running around in Church, eg bad boys taking advantage of gullible/naive virgin girls, men trying to sell Amway/Shaklee products, insurance, cars, homes, etc.

2TIMOTHY.3: = Perilous Times and Perilous Men
3 But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: 2 For men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, 3 unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, 4 traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away! 6 For this sort are those who creep into households and make captives of gullible women loaded down with sins, led away by various lusts, 7 always learning and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. 8 Now as Jannes and Jambres resisted Moses, so do these also resist the truth: men of corrupt minds, disapproved concerning the faith; 9 but they will progress no further, for their folly will be manifest to all, as theirs also was.

MichaelDB · Jun 23, 2018

vinsight4u said:
Your boss can go buy a Bronco someplace else? She is up to something it seems.

She wants to paint it white and get vanity plates that say "NOT OJ". She says that it will be a crime against the memory of the OJ trial if that car isn't given the TLC she can provide.

LoricaLady · Jun 23, 2018

Deniz said:
???
How do you deduce hatred of men, misandry here?

What? How can you assume and claim such things? What does this have to do with anything?

I agree that we can't know if she hates men or not. I suspect she is into drugs, but we can't know that, either. But I learned a new word - misandry!

Now that I put my faith in display to my coworker things are even more difficult and uncomfortable

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