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Just for fun...

I noticed this clip entitled "creationist walks into an evolutionist thread"...

I have found in my many years of engaging creationists that those who hide behind videos really don't have much to say.
 
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Have any of you investigated fulfilled Bible prophecy or confirmed miracles? Both these topics manage to shoot scientific materialism in the knees...

LOL!

Right.. "Confirmed" miracles.

Tell me - any confirmation of a missing limb growing back?

Funny thing - a few years ago, I encountered a guy like you who claimed that yes, he had witnessed such an event, he said that there were before and after x-rays and several doctors confirmed it all. I asked where this had happened, where the news stories of this were, etc. The answer? Well, you see, the people involved didn't want any publicity...

Right...

'Witnessing'....
 
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They conflict with what God said himself.
Can you make that assertion into a testable hypothesis?
They also conflict with observation.
Well, you had better get busy. If there is any observable evidence which contradicts the theory of evolution, there are thousands of Nobel Laureate wannabes in there ahead of you looking for it already.
 
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Hello? I asked for "proof" not what anyone here thinks is evidence

You seem to have a little trouble paying attention so I'll leave you with that.

You are like a broken record. A very annoying and tiresome one.

Why are you asking for something that literally cannot be provided?

I'll keep leaving this link here until you've read and acknowledged it: Common misconceptions about science I: “Scientific proof”

"Proofs have two features that do not exist in science: They are final, and they are binary. Once a theorem is proven, it will forever be true and there will be nothing in the future that will threaten its status as a proven theorem (unless a flaw is discovered in the proof). Apart from a discovery of an error, a proven theorem will forever and always be a proven theorem."

"In contrast, all scientific knowledge is tentative and provisional, and nothing is final. There is no such thing as final proven knowledge in science. The currently accepted theory of a phenomenon is simply the best explanation for it among all available alternatives. Its status as the accepted theory is contingent on what other theories are available and might suddenly change tomorrow if there appears a better theory or new evidence that might challenge the accepted theory. No knowledge or theory (which embodies scientific knowledge) is final."
 
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The distinction between "microevolution" and "macroevolution" is not just quantitative, but qualitative. Microevolution notes that a man, with a good run up, can jump over a steam. Macroevolution takes this observation and believes he can, given time, jump the Mississippi! If that is not evident to you, you have never properly understood irreducible complexity.
I believe that most of your post has been dealt with. Also, I am surprised you are giving such a flawed example. Where did you get this degree from?
Evolution occurs over generations.
Now I am going to assume you meant that.
Them the example you gave is of lamarckism. See the list I posted.
 
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OK...

How about this (you would need to watch the clip to fully appreciate it)...

It seems like yet another faith healing example where people's standard for evidence is not where it should be.

When it comes to faith healing, there are generally three things I keep in mind:

1) The human body can and does heal itself. Our bodies have the capacity to ward off diseases, engage in tissue repair and even produce its own painkillers. That people get healed of something (assuming a legitimate ailment) isn't necessarily indicative of something supernatural.

2) These stories are invariably anecdotal. In that story you posted, it talks about this guy visiting over 60 doctors and even a "Swiss symposium of the world’s leading throat specialists". But is this actually verifiable? Is anything published in the medical journals? I tried Googling, but couldn't find anything anywhere, except on sites promoting this as a faith healing story. Show me a properly documented case and ideally something performed/witnessed in clinical conditions and I'll be much more impressed.

3) Faith healing always involves "invisible" illnesses. In other words, it's an illness or ailment that isn't immediately physically obvious. Consequently the healing miracle isn't immediately physically obvious either. On top of that, they tend to be things that can be easily faked. Is that lady with a limp really being cured after being touched by that pastor? Did that guy with the scratchy voice really get a healing miracle from god? Who knows?

I'd be much more impressed if such miracles occurred on obvious physical trauma. For example, if an amputee's arm instantly grew back or a person with a severe facial disfigurement had it instantly cured. In other words, something that completely defies our normal understanding of biology and/or couldn't be the result of trickery.
 
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Why are you asking for something that literally cannot be provided?

You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you clamming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?
 
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Why are you asking for something that literally cannot be provided?

You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you clamming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?
 
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You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you clamming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?
You keep coming here making false statements about science. Would you rather that we all ignored you?
 
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You are like a broken record.

So, you keep claiming something you cannot prove, and when I keep refusing to buy it for that reason, I become a broken record? Why does that comment not surprise me, bizarre as it is.

Why are you asking for something that literally cannot be provided?

You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you claiming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?

You keep repeating the same ol' same ol' then refer to me as a broken record. lol

It's twisted/one sided, agenda driven logic like that, that leads some to believe evolution is a fact without any proof.
 
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You are like a broken record.

So, you keep claiming something you cannot prove, and when I keep refusing to buy it for that reason, I become a broken record? Why does that comment not surprise me, bizarre as it is.

Why are you asking for something that literally cannot be provided?

You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you claiming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?

You keep repeating the same ol' same ol' then refer to me as a broken record. lol

It's twisted/one sided, agenda driven logic like that, that leads some to believe evolution is a fact without any proof.
 
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So, you keep claiming something you cannot prove, and when I keep refusing to buy it for that reason, I become a broken record? Why does that comment not surprise me, bizarre as it is.



You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you claiming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?

You keep repeating the same ol' same ol' then refer to me as a broken record. lol

It's twisted/one sided, agenda driven logic like that, that leads some to believe evolution is a fact without any proof.

Maybe one of those will sink in. :)
 
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So, you keep claiming something you cannot prove, and when I keep refusing to buy it for that reason, I become a broken record? Why does that comment not surprise me, bizarre as it is.



You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you claiming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?

You keep repeating the same ol' same ol' then refer to me as a broken record. lol

It's twisted/one sided, agenda driven logic like that, that leads some to believe evolution is a fact without any proof.

Maybe one of those will sink in. :)

You keep coming here making false statements about science. Would you rather that we all ignored you?
 
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Maybe one of those will sink in. :)
I doubt it. You refuse to accept any scientific statements with out proof. We are prepared to accept them if there is confirming evidence. We don't regard scientific statements as being "Truth" with a capital T, so we find confirming evidence sufficient.
 
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So, you keep claiming something you cannot prove, and when I keep refusing to buy it for that reason, I become a broken record? Why does that comment not surprise me, bizarre as it is.



You just aren't able to put it together are you?

Why are you claiming something that cannot be proven? You stop and I stop.

And you call ME annoying? Funny how the little cut downs start coming out when people begin to realize they haven't a leg to stand on. Frustrating ain't it. :)

What I can't figure out is why some of you insist on arguing with me in particular when you know I'm going to require proof, even if you think I shouldn't expect proof, you know that's how it is. Do you really think you're going to change my mind? Or is this the part where someone repeats they don't care what I think, a comment completely contrary to how they're actually acting?

You keep repeating the same ol' same ol' then refer to me as a broken record. lol

It's twisted/one sided, agenda driven logic like that, that leads some to believe evolution is a fact without any proof.

You are like one of those customers who visits an Italian restaurant and then proceeds to ask for chop suey. And when people tell you that you are asking for something that is senseless in the first place and cannot be given to you, you complain that you're not getting chop suey.

If you're really so interested in proof then why don't you attend a math class or get a career in distillation of alcohol.
 
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If that's your way of saying you cannot prove evolution, then I agree.
So why should we have to prove it? Other scientific theories aren't required to be proved.
 
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If that's your way of saying you cannot prove evolution, then I agree.



Me too.
Evolution is fact.

Creationism is a lie.

ID is cdesign proponentsists retarded cousin.
 
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