Nothing changes in this forum.

[DogmaHunter]

Now wait a second, I thought we said science was false?

Some Atheists will say/use whatever works for them at the moment, even if it means back peddling and hoping no one notices.

Different creationists claim different things.

Some say science is false / from the devil
Some say science can take a hike
Some say science is only correct if it agrees with the bible
Some say science is a religion

But all are wrong, off course, in their own way.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Finally, someone can explain how we came about. You could have saved many of us on both sides a lot of time had you given us that news sooner.

Now, will you please explain how we came into existence?

Evolution.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So, would you rather everyone just blindly follow and agree with everything you say? Would that make you feel better?

Au contraire.

It is exactly "blindly following and agreeing with what someone says" that is the creationist's problem.

I wouldn't want people to "blindly follow and agree with me".
Not at all.

 

[DogmaHunter]

So conveniently slow/gradual that it can't be observed,

False. Every single part of the process is observable.
What isn't observable, is processes that take more then a human lifetime to unfold.
Like evolutionary change that happens on the scale of millions of years.

However, such change leaves evidence which can be studied and tested in the present

so we are to take your word for the idea God didn't make us as we are

Not our word. Instead, the evidence.

, we came about by all these unseen, unproven actions.

No, that's what creationists believe.

Now isn't that just like something an Atheist would like to believe...no agenda there.

No. Plenty of evolutionary biologists are theists.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Investigate.
DNA is impossible to form through evolution.

The fact is, that there is nothing in DNA that can't be accomplished by the processes of evolution.

 

[DogmaHunter]

You mean does an Atheists have a secret agenda to disprove God?

Not any more then you have a "secret agenda" to disprove Zeus, Bigfoot or Santa claus.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Can you prove evolution?

Phylogenetic tree - Wikipedia

Automatically generated phylogenetic tree, based on completely sequenced genomes and done by an algoritm that just blindly counts matches and maps them out.

 

[DogmaHunter]

1. If nothing explodes it doesn't create everything.
Explosions don't create, they destroy.
Nothing can't even explode.
Moreover if there were laws before there was anything, who gave the laws?

Irrelevant to evolution. No matter how the universe originated, it exists.

2. Life can not come from non life.

Irrelevant to evolution. No matter how life originated, it exists.

3. If fish were to mass suicide on water and birds would grow limbs without flight. That completely defies evolution.

Huh?
What are you talking about?

Birds with half as limbs would put themselves in a disadvantage running from predators, so the species would die.

Both of these are birds with wings that can't fly.

4. A complex structure like a rainforest can't come into existence throughout evolution. If you would remove a few herbivores/carnivores the structure would collapse. Certain species/plants would run rampant. Destroying it. Hence everything must've come into existence at the same time.

Ow boy....
It's called an eco system and evolution has no problem explaining them at all.

From https://io9.gizmodo.com/the-world-is-losing-its-large-predators-and-thats-a-1498088101

No doubt, these predators, often considered a headache, provide essential services to both ecologies and the environment. The loss of certain large carnivores, including African lions, leopards, Eurasian lynx, cougars, gray wolves, sea otters and dingoes, is resulting in widespread "trophic cascades."

Indeed. Extinction waves have a tendency to stir things up.
The reason, btw, that these creatures are disappearing, is due to human activity.

See? Simple. Evolution is a fairytale.

Literally none of your points were supportive of that claim.

 

[Kenny'sID]

Different creationists claim different things.

Some say science is false / from the devil
Some say science can take a hike
Some say science is only correct if it agrees with the bible
Some say science is a religion

And some use it as an excuse for evolution.

"Like, Dude, science says evolution is a fact, don't blame me."

When in reality, science never said a single word, not claimed a single thing.

 

[DogmaHunter]

And some use it as an excuse for evolution.

I don't require excuses when there is evidence.

"Like, Dude, science says evolution is a fact, don't blame me."

Science has shown common ancestry of species to be a fact.
Through science we have discovered this.

Evolution theory is the scientific explanation of that fact.

When in reality, science never said a single word, not claimed a single thing.

Through, because science isn't an entity with a voice.
It's a method to learn about the world.
And through that method, we've learned about biology and how living things evolve over generations.

Just like through that method, we've learned about germs, atoms, relativity, plate tectonics,...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Yeah, you already seem a bit in over your head.

In fact, everything you wrote can be addressed first by understanding what the Theory of Evolution is (and also what it isn't), as well as just getting a better conceptual understanding how evolution works.

I'd recommend starting here: Welcome to Evolution 101!

And here: An Index to Creationist Claims

What is the "common ancestor"?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

That's another one of those ridiculous assertions that keeps coming up: the claim of a massive conspiracy among thousands, if not millions, of scientists around the world.

I'm not saying they don't believe it.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Irrelevant to evolution. No matter how the universe originated, it exists.



Irrelevant to evolution. No matter how life originated, it exists.



Huh?
What are you talking about?



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Both of these are birds with wings that can't fly.




Ow boy....
It's called an eco system and evolution has no problem explaining them at all.




Indeed. Extinction waves have a tendency to stir things up.
The reason, btw, that these creatures are disappearing, is due to human activity.



Literally none of your points were supportive of that claim.

Penguins "fly" through the water.

 

[DogmaHunter]

I'm not saying they don't believe it.

It was implied. Your comment makes no sense with assuming that implication.

 

[DogmaHunter]

Penguins "fly" through the water.

lol..............................................

It's called "swimming".
Flying is something you do in the air while not touching the ground.

What about the ostrich? It "flies" on the ground while walking?

 

[OldWiseGuy]

You sound like a conspiracy theorist. Do you think doctors hold information or are they not given this information in the first place? That scientists are secretly given a talk on never revealing their secrets because it generates profits for doctors, but not for them (seriously, if someone leaked some hidden knowledge, they would become rich). Or do scientists and doctors have a hidden quid pro quo?

Picture the human condition as three realms,

Top realm: Extreme health and vitality.

Middle realm: Not extremely healthy but not sick at the moment.

Bottom realm: Sickness.

Modern medicine is not concerned with the top realm, although they know how people can attain it.

Recall the most famous line from "The Last King of Scotland":

"I know you told me....but you did not persuade me."

 

[OldWiseGuy]

lol..............................................

It's called "swimming".
Flying is something you do in the air while not touching the ground.

The method of propulsion is similar.

 

[bhsmte]

Picture the human condition as three realms,

Top realm: Extreme health and vitality.

Middle realm: Not extremely healthy but not sick at the moment.

Bottom realm: Sickness.

Modern medicine is not concerned with the top realm, although they know how people can attain it.

Recall the most famous line from "The Last King of Scotland":

"I know you told me....but you did not persuade me."

LOL

 

[OldWiseGuy]

lol..............................................
What about the ostrich? It "flies" on the ground while walking?

I don't think the ostrich was designed to fly in the first place.

 

[Speedwell]

"I know you told me....but you did not persuade me."

Why should we pursuade you? It's enough that we tell you. What you do with the information is up to you. I think most evolutionists who come to this forum are satisfied to dispel the misinformation (and sometimes outright lies) promoted by creationists about the theory of evolution.