Not later than 2037

[Douggg]

Based on the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away in Matthew 24:32,

a not later than year can be determined as 2037.

The fig tree is Jerusalem based on Jesus cursing the fig tree beside the road as He and the disciples were entering Jerusalem. Jesus knowing that He would be rejected by that generation of Jews, nation of Israel at that time.

1967 Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews. And is now the capital of Israel.

So 1967 + 70 years for a generation based on Psalms 90:10, the threescore and ten = 2037. The not later than year for Jesus's Return, Second Coming.

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A failed comibination - a failed combination of based on Israel a nation again, is 1948 + 70 years = 2018 a fail

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Since the 2037 is the not later than year for Jesus's return, 7 years before then is the not later than year the 70th week of Daniel 9 will begin. Which works out to be not later than the end of 2030.

What's more is that the 7 years 70th week of Daniel 9 is the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following the Gog/Magog event. Infallible, because Jesus Himself is speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth.

So what does it look like for the chances of Gog/Magog happening in the next few years from now in your opinion? At least before the end of 2037.

In my opinion, pretty likely because of the aggression of Russia (Putin as Gog) on Ukraine. And the rise of Zelensky, potential Antichrist, out of nowhere on the world scene as a great political leader and military leader.

And Ukraine pending full EU membership.

 

[friend of]

Zelenskyy is an interesting character. But I thought the AC was supposed to be gay, as per Daniel 11:37 (KJV) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god...

Zelenskyy has a wife. What do you make of it?

 

[Douggg]

Zelenskyy is an interesting character. But I thought the AC was supposed to be gay, as per Daniel 11:37 (KJV) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god...

Zelenskyy has a wife. What do you make of it?

What I've heard is that the phrase means the desire of woman - is to be the mother of the messiah.

On the other hand, let's say it means homosexual. There are married men who swing both ways.

 

[Jamdoc]

Based on the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away in Matthew 24:32,

a not later than year can be determined as 2037.

The fig tree is Jerusalem based on Jesus cursing the fig tree beside the road as He and the disciples were entering Jerusalem. Jesus knowing that He would be rejected by that generation of Jews, nation of Israel at that time.

1967 Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews. And is now the capital of Israel.

So 1967 + 70 years for a generation based on Psalms 90:10, the threescore and ten = 2037. The not later than year for Jesus's Return, Second Coming.

_________________________________________________________

A failed comibination - a failed combination of based on Israel a nation again, is 1948 + 70 years = 2018 a fail

_______________________________________________________________

Since the 2037 is the not later than year for Jesus's return, 7 years before then is the not later than year the 70th week of Daniel 9 will begin. Which works out to be not later than the end of 2030.

What's more is that the 7 years 70th week of Daniel 9 is the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following the Gog/Magog event. Infallible, because Jesus Himself is speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth.

So what does it look like for the chances of Gog/Magog happening in the next few years from now in your opinion? At least before the end of 2037.

In my opinion, pretty likely because of the aggression of Russia (Putin as Gog) on Ukraine. And the rise of Zelensky, potential Antichrist, out of nowhere on the world scene as a great political leader and military leader.

And Ukraine pending full EU membership.

I see you now come to the understanding and agree with me that the 1948 date widely used was wrong, because Jesus does not return to Tel Aviv, but to Jerusalem.

However I still would not make firm definitions of any number of years.
Jesus said the generation (in this case the unintentionally aptly named Generation X, symbolized by a cross shaped letter that in Ancient Hebrew represents the letter Tav, the last letter in the Hebrew Alphabet, coincidentally making it the "last generation") simply would not pass away.
That does not necessarily mean it is at 70 or 80 years. People from that generation could live for 100 years or more.

However, given the signs of the times, it is likely that somewhere in the 2030's or even late 2020's could be correct.

I disagree with the interpretation of Russia as Magog strongly though. Gog is actually Antichrist. I believe, because Ezekiel 38:17. God doesn't warn about some random penultimate dictator before antichrist.
God warns about Antichrist.
and the regions in Ezekiel 38, are mostly in Turkey, aside from nations like Persia, Cush, and Put "and many peoples with you"
So I strongly see it led by Turkey.
Potentially by an Islamic Caliphate.

Because of this faulty Russia interpretation, many people see Russia as unilaterally winning a war against the west, but I'd argue that any war between Russia and the west would be unwinnable by either side, they will mutually destroy each other (along with 1/4 of the world population, if you take my hint to know just how late we are)
Then the balance of world power shifts.
I believe it shifts to the middle east, particularly Turkey.
I watch things like Erdogan making Putin wait on him at their meeting, and Turkey negotiating the grain deal, and Turkey flexing its clout in Nato to delay Sweden and Finland joining.
Turkey is making moves.
and very few people seem to notice it because their eyes are fixed on Russia.

 

[Ivan Hlavanda]

No one knows the date but the Father. It's not some puzzle God wants us to figure out, we are supposed to be ready and serve Him everyday. I think trying to figure this out is a sin.

Isaiah 55:8 'For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, declares the LORD.'

Psalm 94:11 'The LORD knows people’s thoughts; he knows they are worthless'

If I got a penny for every time people came with a date, I'd be a millionaire now. But I agree, we should watch the seasons, and Israel being back is significant. Furthermore, this world is going downhill quickly. People celebrate killing of unborn babies, 300 different 'genders, all that lgbtq nonsense, poverty quickly rising, protests everywhere, where I live in UK, almost everywhere they don't accept cash anymore, unmarried people having babies they get engaged but some don't even get married after years, corruption everywhere...all these things, except for corruption, were non-existent just few decades ago

 

[Jipsah]

Based on the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away in Matthew 24:32, a not later than year can be determined as 2037.

Started out as 1987, dinnit? A "generation" is apparently a fairly elastic concept.

 

[BPPLEE]

Zelenskyy is an interesting character. But I thought the AC was supposed to be gay, as per Daniel 11:37 (KJV) Neither shall he regard the God of his fathers, nor the desire of women, nor regard any god...

Zelenskyy has a wife. What do you make of it?

Some say the prophecy of the virgin birth was known and it was the desire of women to be chosen to give birth to the messiah. So Jesus is the desire of women. That's just the view of some. The verse could very well mean he is gay.

 

[Lee7953]

1. I am new and am interested in engaging in discussions of prophecy. I have been studying prophecy for a long time but yet in many ways feel I have just scratched the surface. Although I am thoroughly convinced we are living in the last days, I am curious as to how close we are to the rapture, as I would imagine many born again Christians are. Recently, I have watched some youtube videos discussing the significance of the Jewish feasts to prophetic events. I understand that many believe the four spring feasts have already been fulfilled by prophetic events, such as Jesus' first coming, birth, death on the cross, resurrection and ascension into Heaven. I additionally understand that the next feast to be fulfilled by a prophetic event (the rapture) is the Feast of Trumpets. I understand that some people feel that the rapture might occur during the 2022 Feast of Trumpets occurring over the period of September 25-26, 2022. I have also heard the concept that the 70th week of Daniel (seven year Tribulation) must begin at the beginning of a seven year Shemitah cycle. I understand the Shemitah cycle will begin on September 26, 2022. You can see where I am going with this. Assuming this concept that the Tribulation has to begin on the beginning of a Shemitah cycle, if the Tribulation does not begin in 2022 it could not possibly begin next until 2029. I am interested as to what other people think about this prophecy theory or concept. I have also struggled to understand the possible timing of the Gog Magog war of Ezekiel 38-39. Because of the reference to the attack coming on un-walled villages it would seem to me that it could only happen in the first three and half years of the Tribulation after the Antichrist has brokered the seven year peace treaty with Israel and her enemies. Yet there is the reference it will take seven years to bury the all the bodies of the Gog-Magog army that God will destroy in protecting and defending Israel. Would this mean that bodies from this event would be buried into Jesus' Millennial Kingdom. Again what do other folks think.--Lee
   
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[Ivan Hlavanda]

Zelisnky is not the AC. AC will be liked by everyone at first, Zelisnky isn't.

Why do people want to know who the AC, he won't be revealed until after rapture happens, and the 7 year Tribulation starts

 

[tranquil]

Based on the parable of the fig tree generation not passing away in Matthew 24:32,

a not later than year can be determined as 2037.

The fig tree is Jerusalem based on Jesus cursing the fig tree beside the road as He and the disciples were entering Jerusalem. Jesus knowing that He would be rejected by that generation of Jews, nation of Israel at that time.

1967 Jerusalem came back into the hands of the Jews. And is now the capital of Israel.

So 1967 + 70 years for a generation based on Psalms 90:10, the threescore and ten = 2037. The not later than year for Jesus's Return, Second Coming.

_________________________________________________________

A failed comibination - a failed combination of based on Israel a nation again, is 1948 + 70 years = 2018 a fail

_______________________________________________________________

Since the 2037 is the not later than year for Jesus's return, 7 years before then is the not later than year the 70th week of Daniel 9 will begin. Which works out to be not later than the end of 2030.

What's more is that the 7 years 70th week of Daniel 9 is the same 7 years in Ezekiel 39 following the Gog/Magog event. Infallible, because Jesus Himself is speaking in the text of Ezekiel 39:21-29 having returned to this earth.

So what does it look like for the chances of Gog/Magog happening in the next few years from now in your opinion? At least before the end of 2037.

In my opinion, pretty likely because of the aggression of Russia (Putin as Gog) on Ukraine. And the rise of Zelensky, potential Antichrist, out of nowhere on the world scene as a great political leader and military leader.

And Ukraine pending full EU membership.

You are discounting the 1948 start based on 70 years, but it is probably 80 years.

Psalm 90:10
Our days may come to seventy years,
or eighty, if our strength endures;
yet the best of them are but trouble and sorrow,
for they quickly pass, and we fly away.

Start from Jerusalem Day in 2023, (May 19, 2023) as the fulfillment of Dan 9:25's 'from the call to restore Jerusalem'.

Then go 7 weeks (Dan 9:25) to get the arrival of the Prince of Persia (July 7, 2023) (aka the Ram of Dan 8 attacking the 'west'). This would be the 21 day war from Daniel 10. Iran attacking Jerusalem.

62 weeks comes the prince of Javan ('Greece') (the 'goat' of Daniel 8). The prince of Persia dies.

7 weeks later (at the 69th week) the prince of Javan dies. The prince to come arrives and confirms the covenant (the little horn of Daniel 8).

A half a week later breaks the covenant on Sept. 17, 2024. This is 69 1/2 weeks from May 19, 2023. This is the abomination of desolation and start of 1290 days, start of 1335 days.

1335 days lands exactly on May 14, 2028, the end of 80 years exactly and start of the 81st.

The Trumpets would begin 1 month after the abomination on Oct 17, 2024 and the 6th Trumpet starting 5 months later (Revelation 9:5) on March 15, 2025. The antichrist would call himself God on Feast of Tabernacles Oct 17, 2024 (2 Thessalonians 2:3) and start the new religion of worshiping a foreign / alien god on March 15, 2025 (Daniel 11:38-39).

 

[Blade]

What I've heard is that the phrase means the desire of woman - is to be the mother of the messiah.

On the other hand, let's say it means homosexual. There are married men who swing both ways.

No not a simple desire its hate. Hate for everything that is God. From what I read he will not be married for he will have the answers. He/something is still holding the lawless one back. As long as we the Church that have been given all power all authority over the enemy Satan will not come out in the open.. he cant

 

[Douggg]

You are discounting the 1948 start based on 70 years, but it is probably 80 years.

If so, that combo would put the not later than year as 2028.

1948 + 80 = 2028.

But minus 7 years, puts the 70th week as happening before 2021 - didn't happen, tranquil. 1948 as the base year + 80 years is still a failed combination.

 

[Douggg]

No not a simple desire its hate. Hate for everything that is God. From what I read he will not be married for he will have the answers. He/something is still holding the lawless one back. As long as we the Church that have been given all power all authority over the enemy Satan will not come out in the open.. he cant

The rapture of the church, I believe, could happen anytime - in a window from now until the day that that Antichrist goes into the temple, sits, claims to be have achieved God-hood.

 

[Hmm]

If so, that combo would put the not later than year as 2028.

1948 + 80 = 2028.

But 2028 + the number of horses of the Apocalypse (4) + the number of people on the road to Emmaus (2) - the number of disciples (12) = 2022 which means it's this year! (nervous shiver)

 

[tranquil]

If so, that combo would put the not later than year as 2028.

1948 + 80 = 2028.

But minus 7 years, puts the 70th week as happening before 2021 - didn't happen, tranquil. 1948 as the base year + 80 years is still a failed combination.

You keep making this assumption about a '7 years' as if this is a real thing, when it isn't.

I showed you how it could happen: literally 69 weeks, 1/2 week, then 1290 days, ending 45 days later at the 1335th day.

You haven't proven anything.

You keep saying the 2 witnesses are in the '1st half', but I showed you that they weren't. They are in the '2nd half' because sackcloth indicates that the daily sacrifices are cut off (Joel 1).

You keep posting charts and literally proving nothing with scripture.

 

[Douggg]

You keep saying the 2 witnesses are in the '1st half', but I showed you that they weren't. They are in the '2nd half' because sackcloth indicates that the daily sacrifices are cut off (Joel 1).

I explained in the other forum, the eschatology forum, my response to you, that the daily sacrifice will be stopped around 3 years into the seven years. And that the two witnesses will be dressed in sackcloth during that time after the daily sacrifice is stopped, still within the first half.

taken from my post - #6 in that thread...

5. The Jews in Judea begin to flee to the mountains for safety. The beast (the empowered by Satan, Antichrist) will want to stop their fleeing from his control. So the two witnesses battle the beast, calling down plagues on his kingdom. They do that for 75 days, the final 75 days of the first half - dressed in sackcloth - until the beast overcomes them and kills them on day 1260.

My latest chart and a quick narrative of it.

 

[Douggg]

I showed you how it could happen: literally 69 weeks, 1/2 week, then 1290 days, ending 45 days later at the 1335th day.

The 69th week ended when Jesus was crucified, cutoff as the text says in Daniel 9:26. There is one week of years - i.e. 7 years left in Daniel 9:27 - NOT 69 literal weeks.

That 7 years begins when the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant. The "for 7 years" is a requirement that Moses made of all future leaders of Israel, by having the law read to the nation of Israel on the feast of tabernacles, from the place of God's choosing - which the Jews take to be the temple mount. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.

You keep posting charts and literally proving nothing with scripture.

I show the scripture references on my charts and footnotes.

 

[tranquil]

The 69th week ended when Jesus was crucified, cutoff as the text says in Daniel 9:26. There is one week of years - i.e. 7 years left in Daniel 9:27 - NOT 69 literal weeks.

That 7 years begins when the Antichrist confirms the Mt. Sinai covenant. The "for 7 years" is a requirement that Moses made of all future leaders of Israel, by having the law read to the nation of Israel on the feast of tabernacles, from the place of God's choosing - which the Jews take to be the temple mount. Deuteronomy 31:9-13.



I show the scripture references on my charts and footnotes.

If there is a '70th week', ie exactly 7 years, then how is the 'great tribulation' shortened?

Matthew 24:21-22
21For at that time there will be great tribulation, unmatched from the beginning of the world until now, and never to be seen again. 22If those days had not been cut short, nobody would be saved. But for the sake of the elect, those days will be cut short.
​

By your reasoning, it would have to be immutably 1260 days, which is not being shortened at all!

Then you will say, because 'rapture'.

Then I will say, that there is no 'whisked away' rapture. The 'great tribulation' is being stopped right here in Revelation 9:

20The rest of mankind, who were not killed by these plagues, did not repent of the works of their hands nor give up worshiping demons and idols of gold and silver and bronze and stone and wood, which cannot see or hear or walk, 21nor did they repent of their murders or their sorceries or their sexual immorality or their thefts.
​

People are living safely - until Gog shows up. And the Gog attack is the 3rd woe, is the beast from the sea & earth. And the 6th bowl war, Armageddon, destroys Gog.

Ezek 38
7Get ready; prepare yourself, you and all your company gathered around you; you will be their guard. 8After a long time you will be summoned. In the latter years you will enter a land that has recovered from war, whose people were gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel, which had long been desolate. They had been brought out from the nations, and all now dwell securely. 9You and all your troops, and many peoples with you will go up, advancing like a thunderstorm; you will be like a cloud covering the land. 10This is what the Lord GOD says: On that day, thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will devise an evil plan. 11You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of unwalled villages; I will come against a tranquil people who dwell securely, all of them living without walls or bars or gates— 12in order to seize the spoil and carry off the plunder, to turn a hand against the desolate places now inhabited and against a people gathered from the nations, who have acquired livestock and possessions and who live at the center of the land.’
​

The war they are recovered from is the 6th Trumpet war, part of the great tribulation.

The Persian attack that will kick off in Israel is the attack of Iran which is the Ram in Daniel 8, whose vision is for the 'latter days'. The Goat's great horn is pretending to rescue Israel from Iran.

To say that this is the Gog attack is incorrect and makes out the Goat's great horn to be a good guy, which he isn't.

 

[Douggg]

If there is a '70th week', ie exactly 7 years, then how is the 'great tribulation' shortened?

Shortened means cut short of all flesh on earth being destroyed. i.e. the great tribulation will be limited to 1335 days.

The great tribulation begins when the abomination of desolation is in the holy place - where it can be seen in order for the Jews in Judea to begin fleeing to the mountains, i.e. on the temple mount. The abomination of desolation will be the statue image of the beast.

The great tribulation begins then because blessed are them in Daniel 12:12 who remain to the 1335th day from when the abomination of desolation is setup.

Blessed will be the people of Israel, for on the 1335th day, the day that Jesus returns, they will inherit the Kingdom of God, and the messianic age begins.

By your reasoning, it would have to be immutably 1260 days, which is not being shortened at all!

No, my reasoning is that the great tribulation begins 1335 days before Jesus returns. On day 1185 of the 2520 day timeline. The AoD setup on that day.

The two witnesses in sackcloth, because the daily sacrifice will have been stopped, will battle the beast, the last 75 days of the first half (1260 days), giving cover for the fleeing Jews.

 

[Strong in Him]

I explained in the other forum, the eschatology forum, my response to you, that the daily sacrifice will be stopped around 3 years into the seven years.

What daily sacrifice?
Jews haven't sacrificed for years, and Christians never have. Unless you count the practice of giving ourselves to God each day - in which case, why would we ever stop?