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Featured North Korea slams US for lacking ‘basic decorum’ in nuke talks

Discussion in 'Current News & Events' started by tulc, Aug 10, 2018.

  1. tulc

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    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/worl...-in-nuke-talks/ar-BBLJgLP?ocid=ob-fb-enus-280
    tulc(sounds like all those calls for celebration may have been a bit...premature) :sorry:
     
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  2. Uber Genius

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    Opps.

    MSN?

    Straw man argument. Trump said it was a process and "we'll see!"

    He has accomplished in a few months more that Obama accomplished in 8 years. I know that is not saying much as Obama will go down as the most corrupt POTUS in US history or at least the last 100 years.

    I didn't vote for Trump. But I do have to say I will vote for him if he continues to make progress.

    Meanwhile the left continues with LDS (Liberal Derangement Syndrome). JFK and FDR would turn over in their graves if they saw how the Dems hate America so much.
     
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  3. tulc

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    Ad hominem argument? Not a good start so far. :D

    hmmm...speaking of a "strawman argument" I didn't actually say it was President Trump who called for the celebrations, right? :)

    Two things: A) no he hasn't and 2) this thread isn't about President Obama, if you'd like to discuss President Obama you should start a thread about that.

    Hey! Neither did I...comes to that neither did a majority the people who voted didn't vote for him either. :wave:

    That's your right as an American if that's who you want to vote for.

    This thread isn't about any of those Republican talking points, it those are what you'd like to discuss you could start a thread about them where they could be discussed. :)
    tulc(is looking for some more coffee) :sigh:
     
  4. usexpat97

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    I wonder which is more shocking: North Korea slamming the U.S., or the Trump administration lacking decorum. Oh that's right--a hearing aid battery shocks me more than either.
     
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  5. Tom Farebrother

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    Trump tweeted that NK is ‘no longer a nuclear threat’. Based on? Nothing. All he did was hand Kim a PR victory at home. Trump is too clueless to know what is going on with NK, and he doesn’t have a team competent to achieve any agreement. Breaking agreements and putting on a show are easy, actually achieving something of substance of course isn’t.
     
  6. Uber Genius

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    So where is the personal attack?

    Better look that one up.


    you posted a fake news report that attacked a strawman of their own creation. So again you may have to look up straw man too. 0-2 keep trying.

    when you post Liberal propaganda then expect a comparison between the one being falsely attacked and the liberal poster boy (Obama) thought that was the first thing they teach in LDS propaganda school.

    No president has impacts N Korea the way Trump has. This is not a controversial issue except for those with LDS. Prisoners returned, missle tests cancelled, nuclear sites being dismantled, no $1.5Billion dollar bribes (Obama/Kerry that resulted in funding terrorism and advancing Iranian nuke capability)

    Trump is doing great and one must have head in the sand to deny these incontrovertible facts.

    Now I have to explain the electoral college, ...really?
    now you sound like a conservative.


    Sorry for exposing LDS propaganda.
     
  7. tulc

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    you said:
    Which would appear to me to mean you dismiss the OP because it comes from MSN. :wave:

    When you do pay attention to this portion:
    By dismissing the article simply because of where the article comes from? That's also a type of ad hominem. Which was my point. :)

    Well first off: thank you for your encouragement. Secondly, since you haven't supported anything you've said or shown I was wrong in anything I said I'd think you might want to go back over try again. Because as far as I can tell? Other then " 'cause I said so" is the entirety of your argument. ;)

    I might point out the above is an example of ad hominem. :)

    Link?

    No support, plus an ad hominem. :)

    Links? :)

    Or he's not. :wave:

    Well I don't know about head in the sand but since you have't bothered to provide anything that looks like proof for all those "incontrovertible facts" I would point out: those are more opinions then facts. :)


    Nope, do I have to explain the difference between what I said what you apparently thought I posted?

    Or a liberal. It's surprising how much they have in common.

    Well must admit: I personally am looking forward to if you ever manage to do so. :oldthumbsup:
    tulc(will raise a cup of coffee in a quiet salute to Uber Genius on that day) :coffee:
     
  8. Uber Genius

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    "Exception: As the bias or conflict of interest becomes more relevant to the argument, usually signified by a lack of other evidence, the argument is seen as less of a fallacy and more as a legitimate motive."

    So MSN and Liberal media in general have a reputation for poor reporting. That is biased, propaganda. That goes to credibility!

    Just as a Lawyer can cross-examine a witness and decimate credibility of a witnesses account if there are alternative reasons that demonstrate a pattern of misrepresentation.

    You are trying to convince us you are ignorant of liberal bias in media measured since the 1960s?

    Are you equally unaware of the FACTS that Trump is recorded dozens of times from various outlets describing the NK negotiations as a "Process," that, "Would take time!" Opps, again you seems as ignorant of that point as the individual who reported that item on MSN? yet it was all over the news.

    Further I point out exactly where they made their fallacious tactic known as a straw man. A point you skipped over.

    You posted a video by a liberal news organization that misrepresented a story.

    You then tried to play word-games and take the moral high-ground, sorry that doesn't work. Enjoy your coffee, and schilling for LDS media.

    Or you could just say "Opps, I didn't expect to get caught passing along liberal propaganda. I try harder not to get caught next time."
     
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  9. tulc

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    all of that would be interesting if you could establish it as being true, so far? In the first post you dismissed, rather then showing why what was said wasn't true. That's what made it ad hominem. :wave:

    And if this was a court of law a judge would be there to determine if the lawyer had established grounds for that accusation. Did you (if you want to make this a court thing) establish a basis for that? because all I saw was you simply dismissed the source and didn't address what was said. :sorry:

    No, what I'm saying is the media isn't "liberally biased" just because it doesn't agree with what you want it to say. So far? You've not supported a single point you've posted. In my mind? Hitchens's Razor would seem to apply to all the posts you made in this thread.

    Still unclear on the whole supporting your argument thing huh? And I see we've entered the "let's move the goal post" phase of the thread. Because when I asked you where I was the one who said President Trump had said we should all start celebrating I don't remember you pointing out the portion of my post where I had. Till you can find that part and post it that's just another strawman argument you came up with. ;)

    Lot of that seems to be going around in this thread. :D

    You forgot the "In My Opinion" portion in the above post. Because so far that's all you've offered. :wave:

    This thread isn't about me.

    Thank you! I always do. :)

    Thread's still not about me. :wave:

    See above! :D
    tulc(will be taking Uber Genius's advice and enjoy his coffee) :clap:
     
  10. The Barbarian

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    So they're upset that our leaders lack basic decorum.

    They should be happy. We have to live with them.
     
  11. Sistrin

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    Uber, you are arguing with the equivalent of a third-grade girl standing on the playground sticking her tongue out in response to everything you say. As a friendly suggestion, please, stop.
     
  12. The Barbarian

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    He wasn't talking to you.
     
  13. Uber Genius

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    Two weeks before the Summit :

    "And, on Friday, Trump told reporters that he still has lofty ambitions. “You’re going to have a very positive result in the end,” he promised. “It will ultimately be a successful PROCESS.”"

    https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-north-korea-summit-is-back-on-but-dont-expect-miracles

    "The US president said there was “no rush for speed” because North Korea had not tested any ballistic missiles over the past nine months.
    “We have no time limit. We have no speed limit,” Trump said at a meeting with members of Congress on Tuesday.
    “We’re just going through the process, but the relationships are very good.”"

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...no-time-limit-for-north-korea-to-denuclearise


    In April Rueters published this report including a tweet from Trump:
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    trump-says-long-way-to-go-on-north-korea-crisis

    "“We are a long way from conclusion on North Korea, maybe things will work out, and maybe they won’t - only time will tell,” Trump said on TWITTER"

    https://in.reuters.com/article/nort...way-to-go-on-north-korea-crisis-idINKBN1HT07A

    There are dozens of such quotes by liberal news outlets (so you can't try and obfuscate by claiming GOP talking points) that the Policy from the White House is, "“We are looking for substantial dismantlement of North Korea’s nuclear programs first, and until denuclearisation is achieved the global maximum pressure campaign will continue."

    The MSN article you linked (The Hill article recast) says:

    "However, White House national security adviser John Bolton said this week that North Korean has not moved toward denuclearization and that the U.S. would not lift economic sanctions against the country until it takes more steps toward ending its nuclear program."

    Absolutely consistent with everything the Trump administration has said all along!

    Now every politician in the world represents good-faith optimism coming out of negotiations, remember how Kerry and Obama assured the world that the $ 1.5B bribe given to Iran would result in denuclearization and no more state-funded terrorism?

    Bet no liberal is on the record bashing that wishful thinking in the Iran deal. Bet you weren't excoriating Obama's optimism.

    Every liberal in the world was praising Obama for entering into dialog with Iran. I'm saying they are hypocrites.

    Don't forget to pick up all those straws in the coffee shop as your straw man blows apart.

    What have we lost by entering into the first summit with NK in 70 years?
     
  14. tulc

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    ohhh...my ears are burning...:D
    tulc(was thinking more 6th grade maybe even 7th definitely not third grade) :wave:
     
  15. Uber Genius

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    I plan on stopping but I like to at least engage in factual discussions. I'm not questioning IQs here but rather the reasonableness of misrepresenting Trump as any more optimistic then Clinton's Middle East Summit, Obama's Iran treaty. I find the the increasing reliance on fallacious appeals on both sides to be unhelpful. And finally to be snide when one get's caught misrepresenting data is Hillary Clinton arrogant.

    I'm exiting this thread for good as the inability to recognize things such as liberal bias, a fact independently documented since the 1960s in all studies of top media outlets demonstrates no research. The discussion quickly became like engaging a Jehovah's Witness knocking at your door.
     
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  16. tulc

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    Sorry, double post :sorry:
     
  17. tulc

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    TRIPLE post? :eek:
    tulc(hopes Uber Genius remembered to take his extra straw with him when he left) :wave:
     
  18. The Barbarian

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    But... but... but...

    Trump Says ‘There Is No Longer a Nuclear Threat’ After Kim Jong-un Meeting
    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/us/politics/trump-north-korea-nuclear-threat-.html

    Nothing in itself. But we shouldn't have made any major concessions before they did. And complying with Kim's demand that we stop joint military exercises with South Korea was a large concession.
     
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  19. The Barbarian

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    That being said, someone like Trump might actually get some progress; one of his talents is to get people to believe in him.

    I don't know if Kim is dumb enough to do that, but it's worth a try.
     
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  20. Yonny Costopoulis

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    No just your sources giving you incorrect facts. FOX News?

    Trump declares North Korea 'no longer a nuclear threat'
    "Just landed - a long trip, but everybody can now feel much safer than the day I took office," Trump tweeted as he arrived back in Washington. "There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea."
     
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