Non-traditionalists - start your own offshoots

[Your Neighbor]

You have shown your hand as a siren of evil destruction, calling for the shipwreck of a good church on the rocks of dissension, now go on your way to your master and let God guide those that He will through the rough seas ahead to eternal life....

If that was directed to me, I think you have made a mistake.

My question: Besides Moe, Larry, & Curly, what intelligent being would stay in a denomination that has a prophet that has "salvation theology" which is "corrupted and reeks of Rome"? was primarily directed to the one who claimed such a thing in post #23.

I think I left some out (of the church of the not-too-intelligent-to-voluntarily-leave the false salvation message/false prophet church):

 

[SoldierOfTheKing]

To go back, to the OP, what would be left of the church if such a coup took place? Worldwide lost two-thirds of its membership when it abandoned the Sabbath. Gone was Ambassador College, the World Tomorrow radio/TV, Youth Magazine. It lost so much of its funding that it had to start charging for the Plain Truth (funny how the critics who called old Worldwide a racket are silent about this now). Worldwide's sole purpose today seems to be wearing down the faithful that haven't left. Compared to what it was under Mr. Armstrong, it's a joke.

 

[reddogs]

If that was directed to me, I think you have made a mistake.

My question: Besides Moe, Larry, & Curly, what intelligent being would stay in a denomination that has a prophet that has "salvation theology" which is "corrupted and reeks of Rome"? was primarily directed to the one who claimed such a thing in post #23.

I think I left some out (of the church of the not-too-intelligent-to-voluntarily-leave the false salvation message/false prophet church):

Satan loves dissension amoung the believers, and is constantly trying everything he can to cause disunity, distrust, confusion and divide the faithful, if that is your purpose then you do his work........

 

[Your Neighbor]

Satan loves dissension amoung the believers, and is constantly trying everything he can to cause disunity and divide the faithful

So, do you think we all should be Roman Catholic? were those of the Reformation guilty? Do you think we all should be mainline Protestants? were those of the Advent Movement guilty?

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

Satan loves dissension amoung the believers, and is constantly trying everything he can to cause disunity, distrust, confusion and divide the faithful, if that is your purpose then you do his work........

Yea that's right, so all you satan workmen please identify yourselves. We need to know who are causing dissension because they are following satan.

 

[Your Neighbor]

We need to know who are causing dissension.

We know - those "SDA's" who reject 1844, IJ, EGW, 3AM.

 

[reddogs]

So, do you think we all should be Roman Catholic? were those of the Reformation guilty? Do you think we all should be mainline Protestants? were those of the Advent Movement guilty?

If they follow God's truth he will keep his hands around them, and you will not prevail in this purpose and only serve to do evil........

 

[reddogs]

Look at your posts, do they look in any way to what Martin Luther posted on the door to spark the Reformation, does it edify, does it uplift, does it bring more understanding........

You have your answer.......

 

[Sophia7]

Tall--ever read the book "Creeping Compromise"? If not--you should because that's what the 'offshoots' have done! Go ahead--bend to the will of the world so you don't look 'different'!!

We don't mind being different as long as the "different" doctrines are right. Otherwise, there's no good reason to be different. By the way, "the world" is not other Christians who disagree with distinctive Adventist doctrines, either.

 

[Sophia7]

Look at your posts, do they look in any way to what Martin Luther posted on the door to spark the Reformation, does it edify, does it uplift, does it bring more understanding........

The Catholic Church certainly didn't think that Luther's "posts" edified, uplifted, or brought more understanding. Traditionalists are not always right.

 

[reddogs]

The Catholic Church certainly didn't think that Luther's "posts" edified, uplifted, or brought more understanding. Traditionalists are not always right.

Please Sophia,

Bring in a neutral party and see the posts and there is no argument when you see the 3 stooges and other nonsense. On this one its best to just let it go as it is a lose, lose situation for everyone.....

Let this one go.......

 

[Sophia7]

Please Sophia,

Bring in a neutral party and see the posts and there is no argument when you see the 3 stooges and other nonsense. On this one its best to just let it go as it is a lose, lose situation for everyone.....

Let this one go.......

Read Your Neighbor's posts again. I think you've misunderstood them. He's saying that anyone who stays in the church while disagreeing with its doctrines is stupid. The Progressives are not the ones posting pictures of the Three Stooges and other nonsense.

 

[reddogs]

Read Your Neighbor's posts again. I think you've misunderstood them. He's saying that anyone who stays in the church while disagreeing with its doctrines is stupid. The Progressives are not the ones posting pictures of the Three Stooges and other nonsense.

I sure am not feeling any love with that statement....., let it go, its not good any which way you slice it.....

(Oh one little point, I dont really think 'Traditionalist' can be applied to my thinking as I consider myself a "seeker of truth" which allows for much understanding and we can leave it at that... )

As always, your brother in Christ
Red

 

[RC_NewProtestants]

We know - those "SDA's" who reject 1844, IJ, EGW, 3AM.

Nicely edited response, I wrote:

Yea that's right, so all you satan workmen please identify yourselves. We need to know who are causing dissension because they are following satan.

Yet you abridged my quote to

We need to know who are causing dissension.

why you even put a period after the word dissension as if I was done with my statement. I will certainly think twice before I accept what you post as a quote from someone.

The Old Testament prophets, the Early Christians, the Apostles, The Reformation reformers even the Millerites and the pioneers of the SDA church all caused dissension. It is only those who want the status quo that complain of the evil of dissension. Change however is always dependend upon dissension.

 

[Jimlarmore]

There is a vast difference between discension in love and what is going on here. I don't think we are glorifying our Savior in much of this so called dissention that goes on. Change is good if it's needed. I'm not saying the SDA church is perfect and not in need of some change but as a whole ( until I can be shown differently) it is in the right ball park for sure. If the mainline SDA church changed to fit some of the progressives wishes we wouldn't even accept fiat creation anymore, let alone the validity of a global flood.

I don't expect dissention to ever stop until the Lord comes back but I also will not buy into some of the ideas and totally tangential philosophies that raise their ugly heads up every now and then either.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[freeindeed2]

We don't mind being different as long as the "different" doctrines are right. Otherwise, there's no good reason to be different. By the way, "the world" is not other Christians who disagree with distinctive Adventist doctrines, either.

Amen!

 

[tall73]

There is a vast difference between discension in love and what is going on here. I don't think we are glorifying our Savior in much of this so called dissention that goes on. Change is good if it's needed. I'm not saying the SDA church is perfect and not in need of some change but as a whole ( until I can be shown differently) it is in the right ball park for sure. If the mainline SDA church changed to fit some of the progressives wishes we wouldn't even accept fiat creation anymore, let alone the validity of a global flood.

I don't expect dissention to ever stop until the Lord comes back but I also will not buy into some of the ideas and totally tangential philosophies that raise their ugly heads up every now and then either.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Discussion doesn't imply that you must accept their views. I don't accept the view of theistic evolution. But I can discuss it.

We don't usually accept every statement made in a Sabbath School class or at potluck either. But we can talk it over and evaluate and point out possible problems.

To the degree that people attack each other it is wrong. But discussion of Bible topics is not wrong.

It is in discussing with those who are most different in their beliefs that I have learned insights regarding my own views that I would not have found otherwise.

 

[Jimlarmore]

wrong.

It is in discussing with those who are most different in their beliefs that I have learned insights regarding my own views that I would not have found otherwise.

I agree but there is a limit to how far I will go in discussing essential truths in the Bible. I guess that all comes from my past experience. You've said you don't agree with theistic evolution but you are willing to discuss it. I guess I am too as long as it is with someone who is not a Christian. I just have no patience with someone who is Adventist and has been exposed to the truths we have who embraces it. Denigration of entire sections of the Bible is not my idea of being a free thinker, sorry if that offends.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

 

[tall73]

I agree but there is a limit to how far I will go in discussing essential truths in the Bible. I guess that all comes from my past experience. You've said you don't agree with theistic evolution but you are willing to discuss it. I guess I am too as long as it is with someone who is not a Christian. I just have no patience with someone who is Adventist and has been exposed to the truths we have who embraces it. Denigration of entire sections of the Bible is not my idea of being a free thinker, sorry if that offends.

God Bless
Jim Larmore

Well it is not likely to offend me in one sense, because, as I said, I don't agree with it to start with.

But everyone chooses what threads to particpate in. If you can't engage in the conversation then don't.

 

[Adventist Dissident]

you know tall you got it. I have been very selective over the last 4 weeks as to which threads I participate in. I did not know that the fourm was as bad as they said it was until they said it, because I did not participate in every theread. Pick 3 or 4 issues at a time and limit your self to that.