Non-traditionalists - start your own offshoots

[Sophia7]

SPTB07.017.003 (Testimonies for the Church Containing Messages of Warning and Instruction to Seventh-day Adventists, 1906)
Satan is striving continually to bring in fanciful suppositions in regard to the sanctuary, degrading the wonderful representations of God and the ministry of Christ for our salvation into something that suits the carnal mind. He removes its presiding power from the hearts of believers, and supplies its place with fantastic theories invented to make void the truths of the atonement, and destroy our confidence in the doctrines which we have held sacred since the third angel's message was first given. Thus he would rob us of our faith in the very message that has made us a separate people, and has given character and power to our work.

"No, we don't reject Ellen White. Where have we said that?"

Furthermore, I was speaking only about myself when I asked to show where EGW was rejected, not Sophia7 or anyone else. So you can back off of her anytime.

As for me, I will say quite forthrightly that I do reject EGW's teachings on the IJ. So, Your Neighbor, quoting her words that people often use as a scare tactic to get people to stop questioning her prophetic gift isn't going to do much for me. If you can give me a Bible text that states that in the OT sacrificial system sins were transferred to the sanctuary by blood, then we can have a discussion.

I haven't yet decided whether I can stay in the Adventist Church. Although I disagree with some of its doctrines, I agree with others that would make it difficult for me to join another church. So I'm not being dishonest or stupid; I'm being careful to make the right decision about something that is very important to me--being affiliated with a church and being a part of the body of Christ. At this point, I don't think that any one church has complete doctrinal truth, so unless I can find a church that I agree with more, I don't have any reason to leave. The main consideration for me in deciding is which things are most important for a church to be right about.

I would appreciate not being ridiculed for something that is a very serious issue to me, especially since the decision that my husband and I may have to make would result in major changes to our lives. I have been struggling with these issues for almost a year now and giving the traditional Adventist scholars every chance that I could to convince me that they are right. They have not done so. These are not conclusions that I have come to lightly. It would be so much easier to go on believing that everything I have been taught my whole life is true, but I can't. I have to stand up for what I believe is right. Whether that means staying in the SDA Church or leaving, I don't know yet, but I have faith that God will lead me to make the right decision.

 

[Your Neighbor]

And the purpose of that post was....?

Where are you in those statements - in green or red?

 

[tall73]

We are not to receive the words of those who come with a message that contradicts the special points of our faith. They gather together a mass of scripture, and pile it as proof around their asserted theories. This has been done over and over again during the past fifty years. And while the Scriptures are God's word, and are to be respected, the application of them, if such application moves one pillar of the foundation that God has sustained these fifty years, is a great mistake. He who makes such an application knows not the wonderful demonstration of the Holy Spirit that gave power and force to the past messages that have come to the people of God.

Translation --even if someone has a mass of Scripture that goes against our view we know we are right because of experience and subjective measures that they are not aware of. So therefore don't listen to arguments from the Bible. It is great and all but we are right.


Does that not strike folks as odd?

 

[Sophia7]

Any non-traditionalists who are sick to death of being demonized, please say aye!

AYE!!!

AYE!

 

[NightEternal]

Where are you in those statements - in green or red?

 

[Your Neighbor]

[FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]At noon Elijah began to taunt them. "Shout louder!" he said. "Surely he is a god! Perhaps he is deep in thought, or busy, or traveling. Maybe he is sleeping and must be awakened." [/FONT][FONT=Arial, Geneva, Helvetica]So they shouted louder and slashed themselves with swords and spears, as was their custom, until their blood flowed.[/FONT]

 

[NightEternal]

Amen Tall.

Insulting a minister of the Gospel and mocking a pastor's wife. Unbelievable. Truly the fundamentalists will stop at nothing.

What puke.

I'm leaving this thread before I say something I will really regret.

 

[Your Neighbor]

Bye!

 

[Adventist Dissident]

aye and a-hoy

 

[reddogs]

Reddogs, you have just implied we can't understand the IJ, or the sanctuary doctrine, thereby not knowing if we are the remnant, that this time is a special time for God's message.

I tend to agree with you on the evidence so far. I don't think we can prove that.

But that is not the teaching of the church by a long shot.

If the best we have is tentative answers then we better stop pretending we have definite ones.

Trying to prove some truths such as the nature of God somethings has to be proved in the heart before the mind, and thats why the Holy Spirit and faith comes in.......

Sometimes we gain so much intellectual knowledge that it is hard for us to put our faith in God because we try to logically prove things out. The more knowledgeable we get the more we tend to try to figure them out with only our mind, and sometimes we unconsciously have done that to our religious beliefs and more specifically, belief in God or His nature or the Spirit of Prophecy.

Some things we have to accept in our heart from the Holy Spirit and take by faith and leave it at that, versus other things such as historical events or places and sites that can be proved now. God will show us what we need as He sees fit, but if we overstep and try to decide for Him with our "wisdom of man" we may find ourselves unable to admit it or too filled with pride to humble ourselves and accept what He gives us....

 

[No Swansong]

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