Non-Christians: What would you have done?

toolmanjantzi · Apr 28, 2013

Eyes wide Open said:
Seriously? You stated it was clear that Hindus were unbelievers, I asked you to explain why it is so clear.

Because they do not believe Jesus is Lord, that God is one God.

LoAmmi · Apr 28, 2013

What I don't understand is why you seem to believe unbelievers lack morals or wouldn't be against lying.

Mythunderstood · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
Originally Posted by Mythunderstood

I got that, but again......WHY would you not ask a Hindu the same question???

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Because clearly a Hindu is an unbeliever.

That doesn't make any sense, because you gave one answer in response to the question regarding the atheist (unbeliever) and then a different answer in response to the question regarding a Hindu (also an unbeliever according to you).

You said that you would ask the unbeliever in the op "why would it bother you to lie?" However, when I asked you if you would ask that question of a Hindu, you said "no." When I asked you why you would not ask a Hindu the same question, your answer is because the Hindu is an unbeliever? That is contradictory and does not make sense. Can you please explain....

elephunky · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
Because they do not believe Jesus is Lord, that God is one God.

Hindus are believers, they just believe in other gods. The Christian god is not the only god. What you should've said was non Christians

Eyes wide Open · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
Because they do not believe Jesus is Lord, that God is one God.

Why would they believe Jesus is lord, they are not Christians.

The word Brahman is used in Hinduism, a brief snip below, please observe the words 'the one'.

Brahman - Hindu Beliefs - ReligionFacts

Edit: if you reference the link and see the 'other Gods' as manifestations of Brahman, the Hindu influences I have been involved with view Jesus as a manifestation of Brahman, he is 'of God' and you can come to know God through him but is not Brahman or 'the one'.

toolmanjantzi · Apr 28, 2013

LoAmmi said:
What I don't understand is why you seem to believe unbelievers lack morals or wouldn't be against lying.

Where did morals come from?

elephunky · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
Where did morals come from?

Morals have existed long before christianity popped up.

LoAmmi · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
Where did morals come from?

That doesn't answer the question.

Eyes wide Open · Apr 28, 2013

A further snip re Brahman. It's specific in its own right as prior I aligned it with the Christian word God.

Brahman of the Vedas: A Unique Concept of the Absolute

dlamberth · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
I wanted to know where she stood and why moral character matters still.

I'm still blown away by this question of yours. So I have to ask: Do you really believe that only Christians care about moral character?

Or was this just the wrong usage of words for what you were really trying to say. I've done that myself more times than I can count. So I was just wondering.

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dlamberth · Apr 28, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
Because they do not believe Jesus is Lord, that God is one God.

There IS only one God. Agreed. But there are many ways to Him. That's an aspect of being infinate and all. The Divine Light of the Father that you see in Jesus Christ, others also find in their spiritual paths. It's the same Source and Creater of All though.

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toolmanjantzi · Apr 29, 2013

dGirl1986 said:
Morals have existed long before christianity popped up.

Yes they have, excellent point. Where did they come from?

toolmanjantzi · Apr 29, 2013

LoAmmi said:
That doesn't answer the question.

It's a question, so no it would not.

LoAmmi · Apr 29, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
It's a question, so no it would not.

I'm assuming you are going to say that morals come from the divine. That's fine. Why would you then also assume that non-Christians lacked those morals?

toolmanjantzi · Apr 29, 2013

dlamberth said:
I'm still blown away by this question of yours. So I have to ask: Do you really believe that only Christians care about moral character?

Or was this just the wrong usage of words for what you were really trying to say. I've done that myself more times than I can count. So I was just wondering.

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Of course not I don't think christians are the only moral people. That's absurd. Do you feel bad about lying?

toolmanjantzi · Apr 29, 2013

dlamberth said:
There IS only one God. Agreed. But there are many ways to Him. That's an aspect of being infinate and all. The Divine Light of the Father that you see in Jesus Christ, others also find in their spiritual paths. It's the same Source and Creater of All though.

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Did you say you agree that Jesus is Lord?

toolmanjantzi · Apr 29, 2013

LoAmmi said:
I'm assuming you are going to say that morals come from the divine. That's fine. Why would you then also assume that non-Christians lacked those morals?

I asked why lying bothered the OP. Morals has nothing to do with being convicted. Conviction is not a natural human feeling when one feels it is justified. If her lying is justified then why is she concerned enough to have peers comment; unless she knew she was not justified by her actions.

LoAmmi · Apr 29, 2013

toolmanjantzi said:
I asked why lying bothered the OP. Morals has nothing to do with being convicted. Conviction is not a natural human feeling when one feels it is justified. If her lying is justified then why is she concerned enough to have peers comment; unless she knew she was not justified by her actions.

You seem to be failing at reading comprehension. The OP was not asking to be justified for any action. The OP was asking what people would do in a similar situation. You are the one who is bringing up lying and being justified.

toolmanjantzi · Apr 29, 2013

LoAmmi said:
You seem to be failing at reading comprehension. The OP was not asking to be justified for any action. The OP was asking what people would do in a similar situation. You are the one who is bringing up lying and being justified.

" I told him that I'd be back later (a lie, but I'm terrible at getting out of weird social situations) because I didn't have a lot of money. "

I brought up justification for a action? Lying I did not bring up, which is the ACTION. The "but" is the start of a justification clause. Your comprehension would be biased.

freezerman2000 · Apr 29, 2013

The person taking the contributions was wrong to "ambush"potential givers
I consider it as being unethical..seeking converts under the guise of accepting money for charity.I'm a Christian,and would have given the person a tongue lashing while giving a bit of change.
I saw a post earlier about the SA's charity drives..around here,they used to have folks in uniform at the kettles..now they have people in street dress,not volunteers,but people from all walks of life,being paid to ring a bell.At NO time are they permitted to bring up the giver's spiritual well being,unless it is brought up by the givers themselves.
The only mention of God allowed is a "Thank you and God bless",though not required.
During the interview process,the applicant's religious standing is not even addressed.

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