Non-Catholic's view of RC Catechism

[ANM29]

Considering a few of their Popes made this list, why am I not surprised

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[ANM29]

I have actually been sitting on this computer on CF since 10:30 this morning. I think I moved to go to bathroom and eat.

I need a life..

 

[Dark_Lite]

You just do not get it do you. The Catholic Church is not the true Church of Christ, Sorry.

It is a known fact of the pagan symbolism and beliefs passed into the church. This is common knowledge. These men for the most part were not even Christians back then.

That still doesn't answer my question.

The question is: If the gates of Hell will not overcome the church (whatever form it may take), then how do you come to the conclusion that Christianity was polluted with paganism by the Catholic Church without there being some kind of remnant hidden Protestant sect throughout the ages?

Please stop trying to change the topic and answer the question. I'm not interested in what what you think about the validity of the Catholic Church, nor am I currently interested in your "common knowledge." I am singly interested in how, in light of Matthew 16:18, you justify your belief of the Catholic Church introducing paganism into Christianity without believing in some kind of protoprotestant hypothesis. I've even clarified the question this time around.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

I have actually been sitting on this computer on CF since 10:30 this morning. I think I moved to go to bathroom and eat.

I need a life..

I do that when playing online x-box/'puter video games with my brother and some friends.
I have to say "potty break, pause the game"

 

[ANM29]

That still doesn't answer my question.

The question is: If the gates of Hell will not overcome the church (whatever form it may take), then how do you come to the conclusion that Christianity was polluted with paganism by the Catholic Church without there being some kind of remnant hidden Protestant sect throughout the ages?

Please stop trying to change the topic and answer the question. I'm not interested in what what you think about the validity of the Catholic Church, nor am I currently interested in your "common knowledge." I am singly interested in how, in light of Matthew 16:18, you justify your belief of the Catholic Church introducing paganism into Christianity without believing in some kind of protoprotestant hypothesis. I've even clarified the question this time around.

Well, it was polluted. The 'institution' and 'organization' of Christianity in Rome was polluted from the start. Christianity itself was not polluted until "Rome" organized it.

Again, I do not believe the Catholic Church is the true Church. I do not believe Christ built his church in Rome through these corrupt Emperors.

I personally believe as Jesus preached that the "Kingdom of God" is within us...The "Church" of Christ is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM. It is not an organization created by man. So, no, the gates of hell is not prevailing against his BODY of believers who definitely are inside and outside the Catholic Church. We individually are the temples of God and together we are the "Body".

The "Body" of Christ is not defined by the rules and laws created by man, but by the Spiritual principles created by God.

As Jesus told the Pharisees, "You are not in the Kingdom of God and you try to keep others out". ( With their rules and laws).

It is not the institution itself that is the "Church", sorry, I do subscribe to that. I truly believe it to be the false church described in the Bible.

 

[ANM29]

I do that when playing online x-box/'puter video games with my brother and some friends.
I have to say "potty break, pause the game"

haha..Ok then, I am not the only one. whew!

 

[Tangible]

That still doesn't answer my question.

The question is: If the gates of Hell will not overcome the church (whatever form it may take), then how do you come to the conclusion that Christianity was polluted with paganism by the Catholic Church without there being some kind of remnant hidden Protestant sect throughout the ages?

Please stop trying to change the topic and answer the question. I'm not interested in what what you think about the validity of the Catholic Church, nor am I currently interested in your "common knowledge." I am singly interested in how, in light of Matthew 16:18, you justify your belief of the Catholic Church introducing paganism into Christianity without believing in some kind of protoprotestant hypothesis. I've even clarified the question this time around.

Tho One Holy and Apostolic Church, the Church Militant, is a creation of the Holy Spirit, not of men, and exists (and has existed) independent of man-made institutions (Roman or otherwise) throughout history.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Well, it was polluted. The 'institution' and 'organization' of Christianity in Rome was polluted from the start. Christianity itself was not polluted until "Rome" organized it.

Again, I do not believe the Catholic Church is the true Church. I do not believe Christ built his church in Rome through these corrupt Emperors.

I personally believe as Jesus preached that the "Kingdom of God" is within us...The "Church" of Christ is a SPIRITUAL KINGDOM. It is not an organization created by man. So, no, the gates of hell is not prevailing against his BODY of believers who definitely are inside and outside the Catholic Church. We individually are the temples of God and together we are the "Body".

The "Body" of Christ is not defined by the rules and laws created by man, but by the Spiritual principles created by God.

As Jesus told the Pharisees, "You are not in the Kingdom of God and you try to keep others out". ( With their rules and laws).

It is not the institution itself that is the "Church", sorry, I do subscribe to that. I truly believe it to be the false church described in the Bible.

Thank you for (sort of) answering the question. So, you just think there was individuals throughout history that somehow kept the truth alive? Why only so few? God is omnipotent. Why would he let evil spread so far?

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

That still doesn't answer my question.

My question is: If the gates of Hell will not overcome the church (whatever form it may take), then how do you come to the conclusion that there was Evil deposited into the Catholic Church without there being some kind of remnant hidden Protestant sect throughout the ages?

Edit: More accurately, "how do you come to the conclusion that the Catholic Church put pagan beliefs into Christianity [...]"

It would appear the EOC believes Catholicism did so, or else why don't they join up with yer Denomination/Church?

http://www.christianforums.com/t5805969-86/#post37210170
What would it take for Orthodoxs to come under Pope

 

[Dark_Lite]

Tho One Holy and Apostolic Church, the Church Militant, is a creation of the Holy Spirit, not of men, and exists (and has existed) independent of man-made institutions (Roman or otherwise) throughout history.

I pose the same questions to you. Why would God let this wrongness spread so far if it was truth from the beginning that the Church is not a visible institution? Where is the historical evidence that the Church is only invisible? Why would it even be invisible?

Your take on this really sounds like Protoprotestantism Lite. There isn't any credible evidence for the notion of an invisible Church completely and utterly separate from the visible Church up until the 16th century when Luther and co. decided it would be a good idea to justify their existence with.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

*snip*
I pose the same questions to you. Why would God let this wrongness spread so far if it was truth from the beginning that the Church is not a visible institution? Where is the historical evidence that the Church is only invisible? Why would it even be invisible?....

I can go to the yellow pages and find all kinds of Churches in it.
Heck, I see more Baptist/Pentecost/Charismatic churches in my area than I do RC Churches

http://www.christianforums.com/t5603395/
My Problem with the Invisible Church

 

[ANM29]

Thank you for (sort of) answering the question. So, you just think there was individuals throughout history that somehow kept the truth alive? Why only so few? God is omnipotent. Why would he let evil spread so far?

Sort of? Ok, what else do you want to know?

Of course, there are MANY people who understand this, I am not the only one.

The same reason he allowed evil in the first place and never stopped it. He has a plan to use what is meant for evil for good and he still does.

Some things are a mystery, and God allowing evil to run rampant in MANY FORMS since the day they disobeyed God is still a mystery to a certain extent.

We are not called to understand evil, but to trust God's plan and goodness IN SPITE of it. That, I have come to understand.

 

[Dark_Lite]

Sort of? Ok, what else do you want to know?

Of course, there are MANY people who understand this, I am not the only one.

The same reason he allowed evil in the first place and never stopped it. He has a plan to use what is meant for evil for God and he still does.

Some things are a mystery, and God allowing evil to run rampant in MANY FORMS since the day they disobeyed God is still a mystery to a certain extent.

We are not called to understand evil, but to trust God's plan and goodness IN SPITE of it.

"It's a mystery" = "I don't know."

So the Church, which in your opinion is made up only of individuals, was a teeny tiny bastion of truth made up of a few people each generation throughout history up until the Reformation? What happened to the great commission?

 

[ANM29]

I kind of hate they took away the ability to see who is in a thread, why did they do that?

 

[Dark_Lite]

I kind of hate they took away the ability to see who is in a thread, why did they do that?

To reduce server load.

 

[Virgil the Roman]

If there is universal salvation as you, ANM, claim [that all will be saved, for that is what universal salvation is: that in the end all will be saved]: "what is the point in being Christian?" I would see no reason to be one, if I am going to be "saved" anyways. Or if being any other faith is just as good, being Christian, simply does not make logical sense.

 

[ANM29]

"It's a mystery" = "I don't know."

So the Church, which in your opinion is made up only of individuals, was a teeny tiny bastion of truth made up of a few people each generation throughout history up until the Reformation? What happened to the great commission?

I am not God, I do not claim to have ALL the answers. I can admit if I do not know something or understand it.

Not everybody claiming, "Lord, Lord" is truly in the Body of Christ. God knows who are truly his and who are truly following him, not me.

I did not say it is some 'small' group of people either, where did you get that from? The Body of Christ is HUGE!

 

[ANM29]

If there is universal salvation as you, ANM, claim [that all will be saved, for that is what universal salvation is: that in the end all will be saved]: what is the point in being Christian? I would see no reason to be one, if I am going to be "saved" anyways. Or if being any other faith is just as good, being Christian, simply does not make logical sense.

That is something you need to ask God. If you are threatened by God's love for humanity, what does that say about you?

Why does somebody have to lose in order for you to win? You need to search your heart and seek God if you truly want the answers to these questions and not just a quick cheap 'debate'.

If it does not make logical sense what makes you think anything I have to say will answer your questions. You already have all the answers, right?

 

[ANM29]

To reduce server load.

Oh, I miss that feature.

 

[LittleLambofJesus]

To reduce server load.

I don't really blame them.......

Matthew 23:4 "For they are binding burdens, weighty/barea <926> and ill-bearing.
And they are placing upon the shoulders of the men, to the yet finger of them, not are willing to move them".

Acts 20:29 "For I have-perceived this.
That shall be entering after the departure of Me, wolves, weighty/bareiV <926>, into ye, no sparing of-the shepherded/flock"
[Matt 23:4/Philip 3:2]