Non – stop engine

[thinhnghiem]

Dears,

I am investigating a way to make an engine that can run continuously. Currently, my result is so positive.

1. Tools and facilities:
- The main component of this model is a wooden toy with dragonfly shape. Its head is a rectangle which is curved upward, with long tail
- A sharp pillar
- A medium sizes magnet (In attached screenshot it is the round and black piece)
- A tiny magnet

2. Model
- Stick the tiny magnet under the tail of dragonfly shaped specimen. The gravity of magnet makes this specimen settles down toward the tail.
- Then, touch the sharp peak of the rectangle head of the specimen very slightly into the top of the pillar. It makes the balance status of this dragonfly toy is very unstable. It is very easy to drop down as seen in attached screenshot
- Put the medium sized magnet at the base of the pillar so that its upward pole is the same as the downward pole of the tiny one (i.e. south to south, or north to north), and they are face to face as shown in attached screenshot
- Keep the whole system in an insolated room, with all doors and windows are closed to prevent air wing influence.

3. Operation:
- The attraction force between 2 magnets makes the tail of the specimen is pulled down slightly, before it is up again. Then a new period starts with the up and down movement of the specimen tail, again and again etc.
- The position of the medium sized magnet is adjustable so that it can give best result to the movement of the specimen. If the distance between magnets is so far, the force intensity is so weak to result in movement. Otherwise, the strong attraction force from the medium sized will also prevent the specimen from moving.

I let my model there overnight to make sure that there is no stopping. And luckily it does not stop until now.

I post my article here so that any interesting individual can follow and replicate my experiments.


All of my expectation that you can contact me and replicate my experiment

Thinh from Vietnam

 

[freezerman2000]

Welcome to CF!
When you are able to post links,I'd love to see it in operation.

 

[ErminlindaRika]

Looks interesting.

 

[Freodin]

It will not work. Basic physical principle, and one of the best experimentally confirmed.

You build a system which two opposing forces working on an object. If you found the position of complete equilibrium between these forces, the object would not move at all.
Any other initial placement willl result in movement, and if you did it right, this movement will be repeating... but this is by the energy you put into the system.

Yet the system loses energy, fromfriction, both air friction as well as friction at the pivot point. The amount of energy lost may be tiny in comparison to the inital amount of energy, but the loss is there. It is unpreventable.

You can get this object going for quite some time, but sooner or later it will stop. You simply cannot get more energy from an engine that you put into it.

Nice work to balance it correctly so that it will keep going at all... but non-stop: no, sorry. You cannot beat physics.

 

[Michael]

Dears,

I am investigating a way to make an engine that can run continuously. Currently, my result is so positive.

1. Tools and facilities:
- The main component of this model is a wooden toy with dragonfly shape. Its head is a rectangle which is curved upward, with long tail
- A sharp pillar
- A medium sizes magnet (In attached screenshot it is the round and black piece)
- A tiny magnet

2. Model
- Stick the tiny magnet under the tail of dragonfly shaped specimen. The gravity of magnet makes this specimen settles down toward the tail.
- Then, touch the sharp peak of the rectangle head of the specimen very slightly into the top of the pillar. It makes the balance status of this dragonfly toy is very unstable. It is very easy to drop down as seen in attached screenshot
- Put the medium sized magnet at the base of the pillar so that its upward pole is the same as the downward pole of the tiny one (i.e. south to south, or north to north), and they are face to face as shown in attached screenshot
- Keep the whole system in an insolated room, with all doors and windows are closed to prevent air wing influence.

3. Operation:
- The attraction force between 2 magnets makes the tail of the specimen is pulled down slightly, before it is up again. Then a new period starts with the up and down movement of the specimen tail, again and again etc.
- The position of the medium sized magnet is adjustable so that it can give best result to the movement of the specimen. If the distance between magnets is so far, the force intensity is so weak to result in movement. Otherwise, the strong attraction force from the medium sized will also prevent the specimen from moving.

I let my model there overnight to make sure that there is no stopping. And luckily it does not stop until now.

I post my article here so that any interesting individual can follow and replicate my experiments.


All of my expectation that you can contact me and replicate my experiment

Thinh from Vietnam

Your toy sounds suspiciously like a "perpetual motion" machine, and they never produce useful electrical current.

 

[chilehed]

Sorry, Thinh, it can't work and will never work. There will always be energy losses that will make it stop eventually.

 

[46AND2]

How do you plan on breaking the laws of physics?

 

[MrJDSmith]

How do you plan on breaking the laws of physics?

God did it

Sent from my tablet using CF

 

[sfs]

How do you plan on breaking the laws of physics?

They do it on TV all the time.

 

[thinhnghiem]

It will not work. Basic physical principle, and one of the best experimentally confirmed.

You build a system which two opposing forces working on an object. If you found the position of complete equilibrium between these forces, the object would not move at all.
Any other initial placement willl result in movement, and if you did it right, this movement will be repeating... but this is by the energy you put into the system.

Yet the system loses energy, fromfriction, both air friction as well as friction at the pivot point. The amount of energy lost may be tiny in comparison to the inital amount of energy, but the loss is there. It is unpreventable.

You can get this object going for quite some time, but sooner or later it will stop. You simply cannot get more energy from an engine that you put into it.

Nice work to balance it correctly so that it will keep going at all... but non-stop: no, sorry. You cannot beat physics.

Hi Freodin,

My guessing is that the movement originated from the attraction force of the magnets, and the hooking up of the toy.

Actually, as I sated in my post, I put it in isolated room and it vibrated slightly for whole day. It does not stop until now. That's the reason I posted it here for any explanation, or any body can try again.

Thanks

 

[Freodin]

Hi Freodin,

My guessing is that the movement originated from the attraction force of the magnets, and the hooking up of the toy.

Actually, as I sated in my post, I put it in isolated room and it vibrated slightly for whole day. It does not stop until now. That's the reason I posted it here for any explanation, or any body can try again.

Thanks

Well, I didn't mean to attack you. Gadgets like yours are entrancing toys, and that you are capable of building and tuning such a thing is impressive, at least for a all-thumbs-guy like me.

It is just the "non-stop" part that I am critizising. It will stop... sooner or later. It might go for a long time, longer that you would have thought possible. So long that you might start to think "it will never stop". But it will... inevitably.

So I hope you excuse me for being a nitpicker, but I have seen similar posts like yours a number of times here. And in this regard - perpetual motion - they have all been wrong... and all been praised for "inovativeness" and answered with "don't let them tell you it's impossible!". A lot of people here are sadly quite guilible.

Even Kelly Medley here, who went on with the "it's not impossible, only impropable!" rote does in fact agree with my assetion. He talks about "constant energy input" and "a mighty long time."

So if your intent was to build an astonishing technical gadget that explores the limits of physics to achive a surprising effect: congratulations, you were successful!

If you tried to do what, ehem, "so called scientists" say is impossible: create a perpetual motion machine... you failed, like everyone else did before.

 

[Radagast]

Remember "so called scientists" used to say the earth was flat

No, they didn't, actually.

In theory if you can overcome the resistance then you should be able to create a perpetual engine that will last as long as the charge in the magnets which is a mighty long time

As long as there's some energy input, anyway -- as most Foucault pendulums have.

 

[Radagast]

So if your intent was to build an astonishing technical gadget that explores the limits of physics to achive a surprising effect: congratulations, you were successful!

If you tried to do what, ehem, "so called scientists" say is impossible: create a perpetual motion machine... you failed, like everyone else did before.

 

[thinhnghiem]

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to say that I respect all of members here. I do not have uncomfortable feeling to any critics toward my thread. In contrary, I appreciate all opinions, positive or negative

Back to my experiment. I say again that its movement lasts until now with the same vibrate intensity, without a sign of stopping. And it has been tested many times.

There is no external force here. The movement is done by internal factor of system. Attraction force between magnets makes the dragonfly to be pulled down. And the hydrodynamic shape of the dragonfly itself makes it hooking up, and so on

All other explanation are welcomed

 

[46AND2]

Hi all,

First of all, I would like to say that I respect all of members here. I do not have uncomfortable feeling to any critics toward my thread. In contrary, I appreciate all opinions, positive or negative

Back to my experiment. I say again that its movement lasts until now with the same vibrate intensity, without a sign of stopping. And it has been tested many times.

There is no external force here. The movement is done by internal factor of system. Attraction force between magnets makes the dragonfly to be pulled down. And the hydrodynamic shape of the dragonfly itself makes it hooking up, and so on

All other explanation are welcomed

The magnets are the force. Kudos for making something that could potentially last until the magnets lose their power. But it will eventually die, and so will your motion.

If you use rare earth magnets, you can get it to last longer than with artificial ones.

 

[Radagast]

Back to my experiment. I say again that its movement lasts until now with the same vibrate intensity, without a sign of stopping. And it has been tested many times.

Because of my respect for the laws of thermodynamics, I'm afraid I do not believe you.

The magnets are the force.

Sadly, magnets on their own do not give perpetual motion. If they did, motors would need no electricity.

 

[jayem]

There is a device that simulates perpetual motion. The Atmos clock. It's powered by a mixture of ethyl chloride liquid and gas which expands and contracts according to changes in temperature and atomospheric pressure. This action moves a bellows, which constantly winds the mainspring. Once the clock is running, it never needs winding. Obviously, it's not true perpetual motion since it requires an energy input. Which the sun's effect on the earth's atmosphere. But the sun is the ultimate source of all the earth's energy. The mechanism is ingenious, but the clocks can be delicate and temperamental. They're very cool and I've thought about splurging on one for my office. Fairly pricey, though.

AtmosClocks.com - Atmos Clock History

 

[Nabobalis]

All you have created is a low-friction device. It will stop given time.

 

[thinhnghiem]

All you have created is a low-friction device. It will stop given time.

Yes, it is strange that it does not stop. It's bad for me that I create a phenomenon, but my knowledge is not qualified enough to explain it. That's why I posted it here for your onpnion.

Note: I use permanent magnet

 

[Nabobalis]

Yes, it is strange that it does not stop. It's bad for me that I create a phenomenon, but my knowledge is not qualified enough to explain it. That's why I posted it here for your onpnion.

Note: I use permanent magnet

IT will stop. But low friction systems will go on for a while when displaced.