Noah's Flood

[AV1611VET]

Outside of the Bible, is there any way to ascertain if Noah's flood was global?

 

[essentialsaltes]

We could look for physical evidence that all land life on earth died, and then the land was repopulated by breeding pairs or sevenses radiating from a single location. So that there would be a trail of dead marsupials heading for Australia (except the possum, which got lost on the way). I imagine the flood would be bad for plants, too, so we might look for potatoes wandering back to the Andes. We could look for discontinuities in human civilizations in Egypt, China, the New World, and elsewhere, or discontinuities in writing if the Flood occurred during historical times. Presumably, there would be geological evidence as well.

But when we look for these things, we do not find them. Whatever Noah's Flood refers to, it is not a global flood that actually happened.

 

[Split Rock]

Outside of the Bible, is there any way to ascertain if Noah's flood was global?

Yes. Look at the geological record. That is what Christian geologists did in the nineteenth century. They fully expected to find evidence of a global flood. Instead, they found that there was no sedimentary layers that could be attributed to a global flood. History of the Collapse of Flood Geology and a Young Earth PhilVaz Phil Philip Phillip Porvaznik

 

[AV1611VET]

We could look for physical evidence that all land life on earth died, and then the land was repopulated by breeding pairs or sevenses radiating from a single location. So that there would be a trail of dead marsupials heading for Australia (except the possum, which got lost on the way). I imagine the flood would be bad for plants, too, so we might look for potatoes wandering back to the Andes. We could look for discontinuities in human civilizations in Egypt, China, the New World, and elsewhere, or discontinuities in writing if the Flood occurred during historical times. Presumably, there would be geological evidence as well.

But when we look for these things, we do not find them. Whatever Noah's Flood refers to, it is not a global flood that actually happened.

But without Genesis ever having been written, what would prompt you to look for a global flood in Noah's time at all?

 

[AV1611VET]

Yes. Look at the geological record. That is what Christian geologists did in the nineteenth century. They fully expected to find evidence of a global flood. Instead, they found that there was no sedimentary layers that could be attributed to a global flood. History of the Collapse of Flood Geology and a Young Earth PhilVaz Phil Philip Phillip Porvaznik

So the answer is NO?

 

[Split Rock]

So the answer is NO?

What part of "Yes" are you having trouble understanding?

Since there are no sedimentary layers attributable to a global flood, that means there was no global flood. There should be a series of thick sedimentary layers with a characteristic gradation in particle size on top of eroded layers that one finds in the same location in the column all over the planet. There isn't any such feature, ergo there was no global flood.

 

[essentialsaltes]

But without Genesis ever having been written, what would prompt you to look for a global flood in Noah's time at all?

Geologists & Paleontologists are looking to read the story in the rocks. If there had been a global flood, it would hardly require prompting to go look for it. The flood would be shouting from the rocks.

(Alternative answer: maybe they would be prompted to look for Utnapishtim's flood.)

 

[Belk]

So the answer is NO?

Nothing that you would accept.

 

[Lost Angel]

Look for the evidence on Neptune.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

Outside of the Bible, is there any way to ascertain if Noah's flood was global?

Well, the entire surface of the earth looks like it was flooded, and very recently.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Well, the entire surface of the earth looks like it was flooded, and very recently.

No, seriously it doesn't. Geologists can recognize flood landforms quite easily.

For example, there are several areas on the surface of the Earth that show embedded meanders. They are anything but flood landforms.

 

[Sectio Aurea]

Outside of the Bible, is there any way to ascertain if Noah's flood was global?

Before we can asertain if it was global we must first asertain if Noah's flood happened at all.

Apart from the myths depicted in the bible there is no real evidence to suggest any such flood event occured at all.

 

[lupusFati]

The Epic of Gilgamesh.

As for anything scientifically related, I don't think we've ever had any precedent where we can observe the effects a global flood would have on the world. Sure, we can speculate, but without that first-hand observation we just can't be 100% certain and still be viewing the subject objectively.

 

[JamesKurtovich]

Aside from other flood myths (which wouldn't be Noah's, I suppose, as he and his family were the only survivors), no.

 

[toolmanjantzi]

Outside of the Bible, is there any way to ascertain if Noah's flood was global?

Yes. There will be a large number of non-believing scientists that would require people to believe fossils on mountains are because the mountains grew from the ocean floor, the continents separated millions of years ago and that Koalas never evolved from a well nourished diet of eucalyptus. A select number of geologist that travelled very little and very quickly believed to conform to the evolutionist pattern of thinking, so speculated that all rock formations that took millions of years to form did not show the sand lines of a sudden global flood. All the dead from the debris also would require to either be buried, since the water is assumed to have come from just the rain, and a massive undertow. Also if any skeletal remains existed on the surface, it should still be there after 4500 years. So if you take all this false analysis to also disprove the truth then YES, there had to be a GLOBAL FLOOD.

Also, there are those who take present day theology, and language as imperial evidence that our understanding of the word "earth", can only mean land.

So the attack on truth, is a huge undertaking.

Next I would submit the giant skeletons that have been found. Can we prove that the time of death was around the time of the flood. As this also was a reason for the flood.

 

[OldWiseGuy]

No, seriously it doesn't. Geologists can recognize flood landforms quite easily.

For example, there are several areas on the surface of the Earth that show embedded meanders. They are anything but flood landforms.

Science doesn't understand that large floods often wash stuff away as well as leave stuff behind, therefore uniform deposition wouldn't be found. In other words Noah's flood might have added to the geologic column in one area and washed it away in another.

 

[Split Rock]

Yes. There will be a large number of non-believing scientists

"Non-believing" is irrelevant.

that would require people to believe fossils on mountains are because the mountains grew from the ocean floor, the continents separated millions of years ago

That is what we infer from the physical evidence. In fact, we can measure the growth of mountains as well as ocean floor spreading. But, don't let a little thing like reality interfer with your little fantasy world.

and that Koalas never evolved from a well nourished diet of eucalyptus.

Are you claiming they have evolved???

A select number of geologist that travelled very little and very quickly believed to conform to the evolutionist pattern of thinking, so speculated that all rock formations that took millions of years to form did not show the sand lines of a sudden global flood.

False. Now you are revising history as well as the present to fit everything into your little fantasy world. Christian geologists fully expected to find evidence of a global flood when they started examining the geological column back in the late 18th century and early 19th centuries. They had to conclude that there was no evidence of a global flood, because that is what the evidence dictated. They had no "evolutionist pattern of thinking," because evolution was not yet accepted by the scientific community. See: History of the Collapse of Flood Geology and a Young Earth PhilVaz Phil Philip Phillip Porvaznik. Furthermore, the most vocal YECers such as yourself are the ones who have never bothered to actually look at the physical evidence, not geologists.

All the dead from the debris also would require to either be buried, since the water is assumed to have come from just the rain, and a massive undertow. Also if any skeletal remains existed on the surface, it should still be there after 4500 years. So if you take all this false analysis to also disprove the truth then YES, there had to be a GLOBAL FLOOD.

This doesn't even make any sense.

Also, there are those who take present day theology, and language as imperial evidence that our understanding of the word "earth", can only mean land.

There are those who study old hebrew and that is what they tell us. Most YECers like yourself only read the KJV bible.

So the attack on truth, is a huge undertaking.

Yes, creationism is a huge undertaking.

Next I would submit the giant skeletons that have been found. Can we prove that the time of death was around the time of the flood. As this also was a reason for the flood.

Go ahead and provide the evidence. I see poorly photoshopped images in our future.

You don't really care about the truth at all.. do you?

 

[Joshua0]

there is no real evidence to suggest any such flood event occured at all.

There is no evidence for a world wide flood 4,300 years ago. You can not say "at all" because in the history of the earth there are is evidence for a world wide flood. The snowball earth hypothesis is an example of this. The Bible is filled with what they call in Bible School: Types and Shadows.

Heb 10:1 For the law, having a shadow of the good things to come and not the very image of those things...

People get confused by this because they do not know how to understand the Bible and how to apply it to their life today. Still we can be taught by God and lead by the Holy Spirit of God. So we can enter into the promise of all that He wants and has for us today.

 

[Joshua0]

Christian geologists fully expected to find evidence of a global flood when they started examining the geological column back in the late 18th century and early 19th centuries.

Did you know that Darwin started off as more of a geologist? His good friend Lyell was a Creationist that became OEC or day age creationism. You got to remember that GAP does accept an old earth. Still we take the Bible as literal. We continue to stand in the GAP between the OEC and the YEC people. The YEC talk about the new earth, the OEC talk about the old earth. The GAP talk about restoration. How Satan ruined the earth and now God is doing a work to recover what Satan tried to destroyed.

 

[Split Rock]

Science doesn't understand that large floods often wash stuff away as well as leave stuff behind, therefore uniform deposition wouldn't be found. In other words Noah's flood might have added to the geologic column in one area and washed it away in another.

I think its kind of funny that you actually think you understand what shapes the geological column better than geologists do. So, geologists don't understand that floods erode rocks, huh? Hilarious!