Noah's Ark

[dlamberth]

By that, you mean Kylie's fossil record?

It's the fossil record that the Earth itSelf is showing us that I accept over an ancient middle-eastern desert tribe Creation story.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's the fossil record that the Earth itSelf is showing us that I accept over an ancient middle-eastern desert tribe Creation story.

The "Earth itSelf" doth lie to thee.

 

[trophy33]

The "Earth itSelf" doth lie to thee.

This claims makes no sense.

 

[AV1611VET]

This claims makes no sense.

It does to dlamberth though.

 

[trophy33]

It does to dlamberth though.

 

[AV1611VET]

Mr Lamberth is a panentheist and believes Mother Nature speaks to us through her designs.

 

[dlamberth]

Mr Lamberth is a panentheist and believes Mother Nature speaks to us through her designs.

You got it all wrong.
It's the window that science has opened into what the Earth shows us about itSelf and it's history is what speaks to me. It's also a wonderful window into how God Creates through His own Creation that we would not have if not for the window that science has opened.

 

[AV1611VET]

You got it all wrong.

Okay, sorry.

My bad.

 

[AV1611VET]

It's the window that science has opened into what the Earth shows us about itSelf and it's history is what speaks to me.

So are you saying that the Earth "shows us" things, but it's her scientists that guide us to (and interpret) those showings?

 

[Kylie]

You also have this ...

Genesis 1:21 And God created great whales, and every living creature that moveth, which the waters brought forth abundantly, after their kind, and every winged fowl after his kind: and God saw that it was good.

And the next day came the land animals.

Which one are you going to believe?

Your connect-the-dots "substantial fossil record" that's so full of missing links you can drive a truck through it?

Or the word of God?

This?

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Or This?

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I'll believe the one that has actual evidence from the real world to support it, thanks.

 

[Kylie]

The "Earth itSelf" doth lie to thee.

So you believe that God's creation is a lie.

 

[AV1611VET]

I'll believe the one that has actual evidence from the real world to support it, thanks.

Only on paper.

 

[AV1611VET]

So you believe that God's creation is a lie.

Let's put it this way, panentheists' god is a liar.

 

[dlamberth]

Let's put it this way, panentheists' god is a liar.

It's totally about what the Earth itSelf is showing us about itSelf. And that's that God's own Creation, Creates. It has nothing to do with Panentheism. It's what the Earth is showing us.

 

[AV1611VET]

Let's put it this way, panentheists' god is a liar.

It's totally about what the Earth itSelf is showing us about itSelf.

And that's what makes her a liar.

And that's that God's own Creation, Creates.

God told us what He created, when He created it, how He created it, what order He created it in, how long it took Him to create it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were -- some by name.

Any "god" or interpretation that says otherwise is a lie.

It has nothing to do with Panentheism.

I disagree.

It's what the Earth is showing us.

Why do you use the term "Earth itSelf," then drop the "itSelf" when someone disagrees with you?

Please explain what you mean by "itSelf."

 

[dlamberth]

God told us what He created, when He created it, how He created it, what order He created it in, how long it took Him to create it, why it took Him that long, and who the eyewitnesses were -- some by name.

Oh...that's just a very very old Creation story by a tiny ancient middle-eastern tribe. It has absolutely nothing to do with what we actually see happening.

 

[AV1611VET]

Oh...that's just a very very old Creation story ...

How new do you want it?

God doesn't write something down, then change it every year or so, like academia does.

And yes, it's a "very old creation."

2 Peter 3:5 For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water:

Let those who accuse me of being a Young Earth Creationist know this, would you please?

... by a tiny ancient middle-eastern tribe.

And what tribe was that exactly?

It has absolutely nothing to do with what we actually see happening.

No argument there.

In fact, I believe God "jumbled up" the order that He created things in, knowing that, in the end times, cosmic evolution would become a convincing lie of the Devil.

In other words, the more Genesis 1 disagrees with what your god is showing you, the more Genesis 1 stands out as apart from what your god is showing you.

 

[dlamberth]

In other words, the more Genesis 1 disagrees with what your god is showing you, the more Genesis 1 stands out as apart from what your god is showing you.

Truth be told, all of God's own Creation disagrees with Genesis 1.

 

[AV1611VET]

Truth be told, all of God's own Creation disagrees with Genesis 1.

Only on paper.

And whether it's you, or Darwin, or Einstein, you don't have enough information to disagree with Genesis 1.

Simply because you weren't there.

And when you, or Darwin, or Einstein think you're knowledgeable enough -- or qualified enough -- to tell others that Genesis 1 is wrong, that's where I feel obliged to come in.

 

[AV1611VET]

Truth be told, all of God's own Creation disagrees with Genesis 1.

For the record, God's own creation has been so badly marred, that He's going to rearrange its atoms into a new one.