razeontherock
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No they're not - unless you are assuming Genesis was originally written in English?
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First, the words created and made are very close in definition...
Look up Genesis 1:25-27 and then Genesis 2:18-19 and then rectify that for me.
So, Noah was human... but the rest of humans weren't? I'm really confused here and have no idea where you are coming from. I know the bible says stuff about the sons of God and the daughters of men, and giants and all that other stuff. I don't see, however, where it says that Noah was the only human left. Your definitely going to have to explain your position on that.
I'm in the Navy, on an aircraft carrier in fact. I've sailed over the equator, both tropics, and all over the Pacific. Never have I seen anything that your talking about. Yes, you can see the land just dropping, but bro... you got water stretching out for thousands of miles. Have you ever sailed over a continental shelf?
Consider yourself laughed out of the room. Do you know how hot it is under the crust of the earth?
Like most creationists
You are absolutely right Amaranthine, but in the ancient world people really did think that the earth was flat. They also thought the sun revolved around the earth, leeching would cure you of all diseases, and sacrificing your babies would somehow appease invisible gods.
Again, I would like to make the point that if God, in all of his perfection, knew that both modern and ancient mankind would struggle with the phrasing of the Bible, then why not make it more clear?
Scripture is clear in that we are incapable of totally understanding God; let us compare it to expecting an earthworm to understand the complexity of humanity in all its aspects. Humans do not even know all there is to know about humans... how can we expect to know all about God Who is beyond measure? However, not being able to fully understand something does not mean we are totally incapable of knowing anything in part, nor does it mean we are incapable of having any kind of understanding. It just means we are limited. Ancient peoples were possibly more limited in their understanding since they did not know as much, but it is not an intellectual exercise to know God. Meaning, one does not need to know whether the earth revolves around the sun or vice versa to know God. In fact, it is immaterial.
However, I believe that man has always used God to fill in the knowledge gap.
The ancient Norsemen used used to believe that a solar eclipse was their wolf god on the prowl
If God were truly all powerful he would know the way to bridge the language barrier.
If God wanted to reach the most people with his words he would have been more likely to cater us as opposed to the people that lived 2000 years ago.
According to the Bible it was God who created the language barrier in the first place. God must really hate multilingual people.
No, I believe that man is neutral. Man has potential for great good and great evil. It is the individual who decides who and what they become. People can be influenced toward certain actions, but in the end it is ultimately up to the individual to choose to steal, or to kill, or to help the old lady across the street, etc.
Something like that, yeah.
Or, to take it a step further, he could have made the Bible less ambiguous. He could have come out and said that slavery is evil, don't do it. Instead he sets down rules and guidelines about how to properly beat your slave and how slaves should be good to their masters. He could have said that you don't need to sacrifice animals to worship me, all you need to do is pray and I'll hear it. Instead he commands sacrifices and savors the smells. Instead of saying that gender equality is awesome, he told women to shut up in church. Instead of ordering his people to murder countless men, women, and children he could have easily came down from heaven and told the enemy cities worship me. But he didn't.
It is for those, and many more, reasons that I believe the Bible to be just a book and God to be a creation of evil men to justify their wicked ways.
Not your call now is it? You are not in the position to tell God how or who to reveal Himself. His plan is set out all through the Bible, from the OT to the NT. In general, His revelation was to Abram and his family which would then become the nation of Israel who God called to be a nation of priests to proclaim Him to the world. Israel failed and was set aside until the time of the Gentile was completed. Christ then completed the law and made believers the priests and it our job to proclaim the Gospel to the world. Whether or not you accept the OT narratives as truth and factual is irrelevant. When you get to the doors of heaven and God asks you why you should be allowed to enter His Kingdom, only your faith in Christ will suffice, not your belief in the reality of Noah's ark and its narrative. So for that reason alone, God did not focus on complete explanations of some of the OT narratives but rather on Christ and His message, sacrificial death, and resurrection.There were only 1 billion people living in the world in 1804, 2 billion in 1927, 3 billion in 1960, 4 billion in 1974, 5 billion in 1987, 6 billion in 1999, and almost 7 billion in 2011. So from 10,000 BCE to 1804 there were less than one billion people alive at one time. At the time of Christ there was an estimated 35 million people alive. If God wanted to reach the most people with his words he would have been more likely to cater us as opposed to the people that lived 2000 years ago.
You have no idea why some believe and others don't believe, your assertion that it is because of lack of clarity is again beyond your area of knowledge.And many Christians have found enough unclarity to believe it false. Your point is moot.
Then why are you here? This is the exploring Christianity forum not the bashing Christianity forum.I don't want to know God... been down that road. I hope I didn't give off that impression.
Sir, you really are not that ignorant? Obviously you refer to the tower of Babel; how is it you don't already recognize the day of Pentecost as it's reversal?!? (On a related point, candidates for members of the Sanhedrin and it's predecessor "the Great Assembly" had to be able to speak "the 70 languages")
Perhaps you don't recognize what the stories are meant to signify, just as you don't recognize a question is not an ad hom. It's every bit as distinct as Nimrod's tower from say, WTC
Oh dear, you havn't acknowledged any of the scriptural or other points I made in my post #20. Please do so, they will educate you.Firstly, the Bible describes the Flood as covering the whole earth. ...
Now if you look at why Noah was chosen for Salvation, God said "he was perfect in all his generations." How would you twist that into personal righteousness? He was HUMAN, not "corrupted" via unholy angels screwing around with everything that moved. Such is the story anyway. (You're also missing the greater part of this by ignoring other literature of the day and relying solely on the Bible, but it still adds up)
While I appreciate your service, you are not a "sailor."
On your carrier, you have a major fleet around you to protect our assets. Any possibility of observing what I refer to has been disturbed before you get to it.
And neither is it apparent from a power boat, which is why I specifically said "sailed." I will also admit the conditions I'm referring to are not 100% consistent, and I'm not sure if it's due to weather, which part of which continental shelf you're over, activity of marine life beneath you, or what combination of variables...
No they're not - unless you are assuming Genesis was originally written in English?
That was in regards to the contradicting creation accounts. You didn't explain it to me so I'm going to assume that you think it's contradictory as well.Already done.
The sheer number of assumptions you're willing to make, and the wildly off-base conclusions you draw from them, is staggering.
At the same time, I do appreciate that you are almost certainly quite young, (average age on board an aircraft carrier is under what, 23?) may be under extreme pressure, and likely don't get much time to reflect. What capacity do you serve in?
Your current pace is really not conducive to hearing from God.
Whoa whoa WHOA! Every one of these is a valid concern, but an ignorant assertion; you simply don't know the Scripture. Are you really wanting to tackle any of these issues, and learn? Or are you just wanting to ridicule? God does give you the choice. Choose well:
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