Noahs ark

[EnemyPartyII]

Noah is part of the line to Christ.

The OT is both a foreshadow of Christ...and His ancestry to human form.

Um... isn't Noah part of the line of EVERYONE if we believe the story?

 

[TrustAndObey]

There's lots of evidence of a worldwide flood, and as I've mentioned before, even college Biology books are citing a massive flood several thousand years ago.

My Biology professor talked about a worldwide flood in great depth (even though he was not a Christian).

http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn047/worldwideflood.htm

http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-5.htm

That's just a couple but you can find a lot more if you look (or want to).

 

[artybloke]

Seems like the usual cut-and-paste set of nutjobs to me.

Creationism & so-called Flood Geology are the biggest threat to Christianity going at the moment. They make Christianity into a laughing stock. If the devil were thinking of inventing a way of making Christianity look foolish he couldn't do better than the nutjobs that think there was a real flood.

 

[EnemyPartyII]

There's lots of evidence of a worldwide flood, and as I've mentioned before, even college Biology books are citing a massive flood several thousand years ago.

My Biology professor talked about a worldwide flood in great depth (even though he was not a Christian).

http://www.ucgstp.org/lit/gn/gn047/worldwideflood.htm

http://www.layevangelism.com/advtxbk/sections/sect-10/sec10-5.htm

That's just a couple but you can find a lot more if you look (or want to).

Um, ok... big difference between "universal flooding" like your website talks about and an actual "Global Flood" where water covers every inch of land mass... those website appear to be talking about rising sea levels, which seems fine... NOT about the ocean covering everything.

Sorry, but the simple fact is, there is not enough water in the Hydrosphere of planet Earth to ever cover the entire surface of the planet, unless the entirety of the landmass was utterly flat and even.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Seems like the usual cut-and-paste set of nutjobs to me.

Creationism & so-called Flood Geology are the biggest threat to Christianity going at the moment. They make Christianity into a laughing stock. If the devil were thinking of inventing a way of making Christianity look foolish he couldn't do better than the nutjobs that think there was a real flood.

There are people that think Christians are complete idiots for believing in something they cannot prove, so it's universal, not just about the flood.

What was it George Carlin said not too long ago? Something about the BIGGEST joke being told is that we have any being that is above us calling the shots. Christians are laughed at regardless. That in no way makes me want to conform to a scoffer's standards.

They're nutjobs because they don't agree with your way of seeing things, and that's fine, but Christianity is a leap of faith, and we will not always be able to explain why we believe in something...that's why it's called faith.

I choose to believe that scripture is accurate and all things are possible with God.

Man's wisdom means nothing to me. If any man truly has wisdom, it came directly from the Holy Spirit, not from himself.

I can't explain the Holy Spirit or prove to people that I feel it, but I sure do.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Um, ok... big difference between "universal flooding" like your website talks about and an actual "Global Flood" where water covers every inch of land mass... those website appear to be talking about rising sea levels, which seems fine... NOT about the ocean covering everything.

Sorry, but the simple fact is, there is not enough water in the Hydrosphere of planet Earth to ever cover the entire surface of the planet, unless the entirety of the landmass was utterly flat and even.

There used to be a huge canopy of water over the earth as well as inside the earth. That's in Genesis, would you like for me to find the verses?

It's not my website. I would've quoted straight from my college Biology book but I sold it back. My book talked extensively about a global flood.

 

[WarriorAngel]

Um... isn't Noah part of the line of EVERYONE if we believe the story?

That is true, but because we grieved God, He could have just pulled the plug and not had any creature survive.

What the thing is...if we go back to Genesis 3:15 is His promise.
That promise was His Messiah, Himself.

God never goes back on His word. Not once, not ever.
So, even though we are really nothing, He still knew from the beginning that He would do this for us.

To give mankind His salvation.

Because God is true to Himself and to man through that love...He kept that promise and kept the line which is recorded TO Christ...

This family of Noah, is the lineage of His promises.

The flood, and Genesis is not a fiction, but an actual account of God's promise...

A promise He kept.

Mankind grieves God many times over by our hard hearts.

Pulling away from Him through out history. This flood was indeed a just punishment, and is recorded for all future generations to know of His justice.

God is mercy but He is also wrath.

Jesus did not once tell us Noah was fiction...but He quoted Noah as truth.
Noah was NOT in parable form, but a reality that shows the promise kept, and the punishment we had seen, and will see again in His second coming.

He said as it was then, it will also be when He returns.

And yet His question remains...
'Will there be faith when He returns?'

If we see the flood as fiction, then we dismiss His promise, His lineage, and His second coming if compared to only fiction then what do we have to believe of the future He compared it to.

The men of Noah's day scoffed, and yet God will do and did do what HE Promises to do.
Both His promise of the Messiah, and the Promise of the flood...and His second return.

IMHO.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Amen WarriorAngel!

 

[LoG]

Seems like the usual cut-and-paste set of nutjobs to me.

Creationism & so-called Flood Geology are the biggest threat to Christianity going at the moment. They make Christianity into a laughing stock. If the devil were thinking of inventing a way of making Christianity look foolish he couldn't do better than the nutjobs that think there was a real flood.

The biggest threat to Christianity is those who make a myth of God's Word so they can get the approval of the world. In all these Creation/evolution Flood debates, that fear of what the world thinks of us, is at the core for those who argue against the reality of those events.

We cannot serve two masters.

 

[TrustAndObey]

The biggest threat to Christianity is those who make a myth of God's Word so they can get the approval of the world. In all these Creation/evolution Flood debates, that fear of what the world thinks of us, is at the core for those who argue against the reality of those events.

We cannot serve two masters.

I could not agree with another human being more than I agree with you at this moment!!

 

[WarriorAngel]

Um, ok... big difference between "universal flooding" like your website talks about and an actual "Global Flood" where water covers every inch of land mass... those website appear to be talking about rising sea levels, which seems fine... NOT about the ocean covering everything.

Sorry, but the simple fact is, there is not enough water in the Hydrosphere of planet Earth to ever cover the entire surface of the planet, unless the entirety of the landmass was utterly flat and even.

I believe I did refer to the movement of plate tectonics earlier. [earthquake even] To which, if we read Genesis, water burst out from the earth.
[bible]Genesis 7:11-12[/bible]
It was not only water in rain, although very dense clouds could form at God's command Who made everything out of nothing...
But the water under the earth as well as the rain pouring down in all corners of the earth...would just about do it. AS well as the earthquaking in the oceans and probably pushing upwards, also pushing out water ...

Remember the earth is mostly water.

 

[Nachtjager]

Fascinating debate! I'm a spirit filled Christian and love Biblical theology, just discovered this part of the site.

Regarding Noah, I think there are far too many similarities between the Mesopotamian and Sumerian flood stories and that of Noah for the story to be taken literally. The larger problem for me comes from the previous accounts of a catastrophic flood predate those recorded in Genesis.

For what it's worth, I believe there was a catastrophic flood in that region of the world, not a world-wide complete covering as we were taught when we were children. Noah and the flood, to me anyway, is not an actual historical account, it's much like the NT parables are - it took an actual event (a huge flood in the middle east around 2900 BC) and placed spiritual connotations on it to impart right and wrong. Forgive me, I'm not Jewish, and I don't believe every little word of the Old Testament is meant to be taken literally by Christians.

For those who counter that the Bible is the inerrant word of God, I do not agree. It is the Word of God, but it is the Word of God as recorded and muddled by the hands of man, therefore, it cannot be perfect.

My faith is still strong, God is on his throne, Christ is my savior. I see no need to get my salvation mired in whether or not there really was a boat load of animals floating around a mountain.

Take care all and God bless!

 

[WarriorAngel]

American Natives also retold accounts of flooding.

Here is thing...every nation on earth has an account of a flood.

But as with men without the Spirit of God to keep the truth, it will have its own layers of defect when compared to what Moses wrote who had that Spirit.

The irony is that we see 'two different, or even 20 different' accounts and in our human reasoning...mark it up to myth.

The fact is this, these various accounts are actually proof of the flood.

Take into account that men seperated after Noah's time to all nations, and wrote some sort of an account of the flood...different versions, different ideas, dates times...you name it.

But every single one, even if written imperfectly without the aid of God's Spirit, [which Moses did have...hence the Bible is Inspired] they all gave what they knew that it was indeed fact.

Heiroglyphics also in Egypt talk of a flood.

Remmber, look from the scope of faith, and not of carnal knowledge alone.

Our own reasoning can deceive us.

 

[simonjandrews]

That's a pretty big assumption. Let's take a closer look at a few things.

First off you have men living 900+ years. To grasp that think of someone being born 1100 AD and still being alive today. Imagine that man to have to mental prowess of Da Vinci or Einstein or any of the great minds that in only a short lifetime made major contributions to mankinds advancement. One man alive for 900 years is more efficient than 20 men building on each others innovations.

Imagine a society were each man followed his own law so there would be none to hinder advancememnt like our society has over the last 2000 years. That type of hinderance has slowed us down by half if not more.

Research shows that nutrition has a large impact on intelligence. The world being young, their food would be still very nutritious in comparison to what we have today with the result that overall the intelligence of the general population would be greater than it is today and therefore the likelihood that the pre-flood population was not living in caves and rubbing sticks together for fire as you seem to assume.

Lastly there is the tendency to guage a civilizations advancement on a scale we are familiar with, so our archeologists look for signs that they are familiar with and miss the real advancements of that society.

After all we are still not sure how those early civilations built the things they did because we still would have difficulty duplicating them today with our own technolgy.

So we have the one camp that says the Ark was not possible because we can't duplicate it today with our level of technology and knowledge and another camp that says "God did it".
And me in another camp that says it is possible and did happen but with knowledge and technology that we haven't figured out yet.

All that said and done, if there were a big flood all the evidence of this technology would not have bee wiped away. There is a lot difference between building technology and scientific knowledge that induces a state of hibernation.

 

[simonjandrews]

The biggest threat to Christianity is those who make a myth of God's Word so they can get the approval of the world. In all these Creation/evolution Flood debates, that fear of what the world thinks of us, is at the core for those who argue against the reality of those events.

We cannot serve two masters.

no its not the fear of what the world thinks its that they have a different opinion than you. and thats OK. The reality is that the flood was recorded in many instances and attributed to the acts of different gods. You just assume that it is the act of your god.

 

[Your Neighbor]

"...Creationism & so-called Flood Geology are the biggest threat to Christianity going at the moment. They make Christianity into a laughing stock."

Jesus said the Flood happened.

 

[LoG]

All that said and done, if there were a big flood all the evidence of this technology would not have bee wiped away. There is a lot difference between building technology and scientific knowledge that induces a state of hibernation.

Think outside the box.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Thinking outside the box = having faith in the things we cannot prove.

John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

 

[artybloke]

"...Creationism & so-called Flood Geology are the biggest threat to Christianity going at the moment. They make Christianity into a laughing stock."

Jesus said the Flood happened.

No he didn't. He merely used the story as an illustration. Besides which, how would he know? He was a 1st century human being with a 1st century mind.

Anything else is Arianism.

 

[artybloke]

They're nutjobs because they don't agree with your way of seeing things

They're nutjobs because they distort the truth, lie, quote mine and generally live in a fantasy where their highly dodgy and modern interpretation of the scripture is imposed on reality.

They don't live in the real world, they live in Disneyland.