Noahs ark

[GreenStreet]

Peter talked about Noah's ark and compared it to how we are saved by baptism.

 

[winslow]

Mat 19:26 But having looked at them, Jesus said to them, With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.

 

[simonjandrews]

It is quite possible that the animals may have been in a hibernation state during their time on the ark. Scientists have been able to isolate the opiate HIT ( Hibernation Induction Trigger) and use it on non-hibernating species to induce the state of hibernation. This would easily circumvent the problems you see in the Ark scenerio.

yes but noah would not have that technology in that time and it dosent say that god was practicing that at the time?

 

[artybloke]

but I cant understand that even if there is a deeper meanin (noah symbolically Christ), why write it into a story that is impracticle.why not one that is possible?

I don't know. Why did Oscar Wilde write a story called The Selfish Giant when we all know that giants don't exist? Why did CS Lewis write the Narnia books, if he could have told us something historically and scientifically accurate? Why does any writer invent a fictional world?

Because they wanted to get their points across using his imagination, and engaging the imagination of his readers.

Fairies stories, myths, legends, fiction, poetry, parables, are not lies. They tell the truth, but they tell it through the imagination. The story of the Ark is an imaginative story with lots of profound truth contained in it. To turn it into a historical, scientifically viable account of reality is not only absurd but a gross injustice to the writers.

And it doesn't do to say "God could have done it, anything is possible for God etc..." because, unless God made all the evidence for the flood disappear, and made appear a lot of evidence that couldn't exist if a world-wide flood really did occur, there is simply no evidence whatsoever that a flood occured. And plenty of evidence that it didn't.

If the Devil were thinking up a way of making Christianity look foolish and unbelievable, he couldn't do better than the literalist interpretators of Genesis.

 

[OrthodoxyUSA]

Amen, and that includes Noah building the ark and literally getting all those animals into it, right?

That would certainly be included within the scope of Gods works.

It's not uncommon for us to "not" be able to wrap our brains around Gods mysteries.

Forgive me...

 

[OldWiseGuy]

I have been thinkin bout noah and his ark and I dont rekon you could fit 2 of every animal in there.
I think that the job of cleaning out all these animals while on board is inpracticle and would not have worked out ?? I mean what would he av fed em all on? this task is not possible with so few people.
what do you guys think.???what about all the small animals, were insects included? little maggots and all sorts. It would not work.

The story of the Flood is all of the above: metaphor, type, example, etc., as well as being an actual event, at least according to Jesus, and also Peter. Instead of opining that certain aspects aren't possible try to construct a scenario of how these events could be accomplished. Recall that the great kingdoms of the earth descended in quality. That could also apply to the intellect of those kingdoms revealing that people in ancient times were just smarter than we are. If so they, with God's help, could certainly have fulfilled their part in successfully completing this task.

 

[artybloke]

Instead of opining that certain aspects aren't possible try to construct a scenario of how these events could be accomplished.

Irrelevant without evidence that they happened as is said in the Bible. If you can come up with a theory that explains the lack of evidence that the flood occured that can be observed empirically, then you'll win an immediate Nobel Prize.

Until then, it's a story with a lot of profound truth in it. It isn't historical fact.

 

[LoG]

yes but noah would not have that technology in that time and it dosent say that god was practicing that at the time?

That's a pretty big assumption. Let's take a closer look at a few things.

First off you have men living 900+ years. To grasp that think of someone being born 1100 AD and still being alive today. Imagine that man to have to mental prowess of Da Vinci or Einstein or any of the great minds that in only a short lifetime made major contributions to mankinds advancement. One man alive for 900 years is more efficient than 20 men building on each others innovations.

Imagine a society were each man followed his own law so there would be none to hinder advancememnt like our society has over the last 2000 years. That type of hinderance has slowed us down by half if not more.

Research shows that nutrition has a large impact on intelligence. The world being young, their food would be still very nutritious in comparison to what we have today with the result that overall the intelligence of the general population would be greater than it is today and therefore the likelihood that the pre-flood population was not living in caves and rubbing sticks together for fire as you seem to assume.

Lastly there is the tendency to guage a civilizations advancement on a scale we are familiar with, so our archeologists look for signs that they are familiar with and miss the real advancements of that society.

After all we are still not sure how those early civilations built the things they did because we still would have difficulty duplicating them today with our own technolgy.

So we have the one camp that says the Ark was not possible because we can't duplicate it today with our level of technology and knowledge and another camp that says "God did it".
And me in another camp that says it is possible and did happen but with knowledge and technology that we haven't figured out yet.

 

[ContentInHim]

yes but noah would not have that technology in that time and it dosent say that god was practicing that at the time?

Well, Noah and his sons did work on the thing for 100 years.

 

[ContentInHim]

Irrelevant without evidence that they happened as is said in the Bible. If you can come up with a theory that explains the lack of evidence that the flood occured that can be observed empirically, then you'll win an immediate Nobel Prize.

Until then, it's a story with a lot of profound truth in it. It isn't historical fact.

But .... but....but....Jesus believed it happened. Was he wrong?











Nope!

1CO 1:20 Where is the wise man? Where is the scholar? Where is the philosopher of this age? Has not God made foolish the wisdom of the world?

 

[LoG]

Well, Noah and his sons did work on the thing for 100 years.

Nothing in the bible that states that. The Book of Jasher. however states it took them 6 years if memory serves correctly.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Amen sister! Jesus wouldn't lie!

 

[LoG]

Irrelevant without evidence that they happened as is said in the Bible. If you can come up with a theory that explains the lack of evidence that the flood occured that can be observed empirically, then you'll win an immediate Nobel Prize.

Until then, it's a story with a lot of profound truth in it. It isn't historical fact.

Well Bro, there is no evidence that Jesus was the Son of God or that He died on a cross but since you are posting in this section we assume you have faith that He did. So simply transfer that faith to the Ark story and all will be well. You'll not win any Nobel Prize but will win everlasting life.

 

[TrustAndObey]

Depending on what scientist you talk to, there is plenty of evidence of a worldwide flood and a mass burial at one point in time. You'll also find sites where they claim it just could not have happened.

My biology book talks about a mass flood in history, and just about every culture has a story of a worldwide flood, but of course not all attribute it to God.

Life is what you focus on. I focus on believing.

 

[ContentInHim]

Nothing in the bible that states that. The Book of Jasher. however states it took them 6 years if memory serves correctly.

While I like the Book of Jasher, it is extra-biblical and therefore cannot be afforded the same reverence.

You are correct - it's not explicitely stated that the ark took 100 years. But rather it's 100 years between the birth of Noah's sons and the flood. So....let's allow the sons to grow up a bit and say it took 70 years. At any rate, it was not built in months, like it could be today!

 

[WarriorAngel]

Amen, and that includes Noah building the ark and literally getting all those animals into it, right?

Well, Noah and his sons did work on the thing for 100 years.

You took my words. lol

With 100 years to mine for ore or whatever metal they used, and then heat it and form it and cut and form the wood, and follow the directions of God...[who is the master of everything] there was nothing impossible.

[bible]Genesis 6:19-20[/bible]
SO like doesnt mean all.

So the fowls could have been goose or ducks, but not necessarily all of the different types...etc

Plus with 100 years to prepare, they surely grew food, and preserved it somehow according to God's direction.
Maybe even 'made jerky' from cattle.

So many years to prepare for this...

And perhaps daily filled one area for water in the ark.

With that much time, and God's direction, there is no way it would have failed.

Plus during that time God was probably moving the tectonic plates underneath for the eruptions of the waters from below the surfaces.

One giant earthquale and budda bing, and whoosh it goes.

 

[WarriorAngel]

[bible]Genesis 5:31[/bible]
[bible]Genesis 5:32[/bible]?

[bible]Genesis 7:6[/bible]

[bible]Genesis 9:28-29[/bible]

So, whats the math??

[bible]Genesis 10:1-5[/bible]

[bible]Genesis 11:10[/bible]

 

[LoG]

While I like the Book of Jasher, it is extra-biblical and therefore cannot be afforded the same reverence.

Interesting statement, Content. Meditated on the 2 verses that refer to the book and then did some Googeling. First off i'll point out that the Book of Jashar or Sepir Ha Yasher, is more properly translated Book of the Upright or the "Correct Record". The 2 verses:

Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher?

2Sa 1:18 (Also he bade them teach the children of Judah the use of the bow: behold, it is written in the book of Jasher.)

When one reads the bold a few times it becomes apparent that the authors of Joshua and Samuel refer to the Book of Jasher as being the higher authority. If as is commonly believed both those 2 books were divinely inspired, then we have assume that the BoJ is considered by the Spirit to be the "Correct Record".

Upon a little more study, I came upon several sites that mentioned there were various sources listing the Book of Jasher as being at the beginning of the Jewish bible until the first century AD when it was removed and suppressed because of it's prophecies regarding Jesus.

I mention this not to be contentious but because I found it interesting and have not run into many who have actually read the book.

 

[DeltaOne7487]

Dear simonjandrews:

I agree, you couldn't fit two of every animal in there; that is why the Bible says that Noah was to "take into the boat with you a male and a female of every kind of animal and of every kind of bird, in order to keep them alive" (Genesis 6:19-20, GNB). So Noah wouldn't have taken two poodles (which probably wouldn't have existed then anyway), two coyotes, two dingoes, and so on. Rather, he would have only had to have taken two animals from the canine kind, most likely wolves. From those two, over time, we have the variation in the dog kind that we see today.

Just on the size of Noah's Ark, it was massive. It wasn't like the cute bath-tub like boats with a giraffe head sticking out the top of it; rather the Ark was rectangular in shape. It is believed that it had more than 520 railcars capacity, well able to hold the land animals it needed. In addition to this, Noah's Ark was extremely stable - more stable, in fact, than many modern ships.

Here is the main thing that I wanted to get to:

If you are interested in finding out what real creation scientists believe about this issue and the evidence that they put forward when examining this issue of Noah's Ark, I strongly suggest that you look up the Noah's Ark Q&A section of Answers In Genesis' website. To find this, just Google the phrase: Noah's Ark Q&A (AiG).

It will challenge you perceptions and give you the answers to the questions that you are asking. Their articles deal with questions like: How did all the animals fit on Noah's Ark?, How could Noah and his family care for all the animals?, How diseases and viri survived the flood, among many others.

From,
DeltaOne7487.

 

[artybloke]

Well Bro, there is no evidence that Jesus was the Son of God or that He died on a cross but since you are posting in this section we assume you have faith that He did. So simply transfer that faith to the Ark story and all will be well. You'll not win any Nobel Prize but will win everlasting life.

a) There is sufficient evidence that Jesus existed to make it at least plausible.

b) Whether Jesus is or is not the Son of God is not a matter that can be decided using scientific means, but only by faith. It's not a "historical" event that can have evidence; it's a theological and philosophical event, a spiritual truth. It's not something you can test in a test-tube.

c) The story of Noah, however, is either a story or it is historical fact. If it is a story, it doesn't matter if it's factual or not, it's still true. If it is "fact" then it ought to have left physical evidence that supports it. It doesn't; in fact, there is quite positive evidence that no worldwide flood occured at any time in the history of this planet (and certainly not 4000 years ago.) As there is evidence of several extinction events, volcanic activity going back 3 billion years etc etc, you'd think there was something. But nada, zilch, nothing.

d) If Jesus isn't the Son of God, then there goes Christianity. If Noah never existed, but is in fact a mythical/legendary figure based on a rewriting of parts of the Epic of Gilgamesh (as seems to fit the facts), then it doesn't affect anything in Christianity.

f) There is no science in "(Wrong)Answers in Genesis." Try www.talkorigins.org.