So, a dwarf star came close enough to earth to rain down red dust, and all it did was create a global flood and neatly separate the continents? Can you calculate the amount of energy released from moving the continents to their current position in one years time (or less)? Can you then tell us what effect that would have on life on earth? Please note that according to scripture, they all drowned in the flood waters, they didn't roast like a turkey in an oven.
Here we go.
O.K. Yes I can calculate the energy "released." I can also tell you the effect that would have on earth, but the bible told you the concise version: EVERY HUMAN DIED (except eight people.)
I said gravity and electromagnetism played a part. This is how I know you are not a physicist, because you think because a dwarf star came upon the earth, it roasted people. A dead/dwarf star has a temperature of around 6000K - comparable to our sun's core temperature. That is why it is 1) a dwarf, and 2) DEAD. It is also comparable to Earth's core temperature. 6000K does not roast humans from a million miles away - we have a magnetosphere to repel the heat, and an ionosphere. But, iron dust (which is charged at 6000K) will be carried by
electrodynamics, and gravity. No one baked; they died from seismic activity and vulcanism. Simple.
Your assumption (as are many others you have exposed here) would be wrong. I have a Ph.D. in Biology. That means little concerning geology or astronomy, but I do happen to know a few things about these subjects as well (I am no expert, however).
Oh, well I am truly apologetic for calling you a non-scientist. Seriously. But, as you have admitted, biology is not necessarily concerned with astronomy, geology or physics. If you are a Ph.D in biology, I know (from similar experience) that you have taken some physics, higher math, and chemistry courses - so you aren't "lame" in our scientific discussions. With that said, why do you think what I am saying is so far-fetched?
And, if you are a Ph.D, you (in my opinion) are an expert in that field. As I said before about auto mechanics, similarly if I want to be a biologist, I will go to school for it. You have done that. I know what it takes to get a Ph.D: that is hard work. You earned your right to have Dr. before your name. We can disagree all day long, but I give respect where respect is due.
There is no force keeping the plates from moving faster other than friction between plates. The movement itself is provided by ocean sea floor spreading, not by earthquakes. Earthquakes are the result of release of tension between plates, they are not the driving force behind plate movement per se. So, even if a passing dwarf star were to cause earhquakes, it would not neatly separate the continents as you claim. The results would instead be flooding and possibly the pulling of the earth out of its orbit. Such an occurrance would have far worse consiequences than you are claiming. None are consistant with scripture.
It would. Seriously. The gravitational potential energy of a Jovian sized mass would perturb the earth so much that 10.0+ earthquakes would be
constant. The sonic pressure would literally dissolve and melt the granite/crust. It really isn't an issue of possibility: it is. The results would be flooding (from above, and the fountains of the waters underneath via seismic activity,) and massive earth movement. Scientists have even theorized the 23.5 degree tilt of the earth was due to a celestial body with exceptional gravity. And, you keep underestimating the calamity of the Noah's Flood event. It killed
every single human except eight people. What more doom do you want?
There is no concrete evidence for the existance of such a star, and your scriptural support is at best thin.
Did you look at the NASA document? As I said before, look it up: you will have NASA's seal of approval, not mine.
If you have a reference or a link, provide it and I will look at it. It is your assertion, not mine.
Oh, don't be lazy. Google is your friend. I told you, I don't even know if you can see it. I had access to different abstracts and scholarly articles while I was at Columbia, but that is because Columbia's network is granted access. Look it up yourself. And, that is not me being insulting; it is much more beneficial if you find it out yourself. I really want you to prove me wrong if I am wrong, but I won't take opining and limited self-research/"expert" piggy backing.
How does a NASA file help to find an association between "star" and "sun" in scripture? Don't make assertions here if you cannot back them up. Give me a reference or a link and I will look at it.
You know a sun is a star right? And, if you read the file (which I realize you still have not read to this moment,) you would know. You could just read the abstract and get your info.
As far as a reference link, look it up on google. Use the keywords we discusses. As much verifiable info I have provided that you have dismissed, I am not giving extra just so you can dismiss it too.
Oh, so now 100s of years of research on geology and biology are nothing but "guessing." Unless they are present in a particular declassified NASA paper, I suppose.
Isn't all scientific process supposed to start with hypothesis/guessing? I told you guessing is part of thinking, but as I highlighted (what you said was non-sequitur) "thinking" can be dangerous too. Your words are, "Oh, so now 100s of years of research on geology and biology are nothing but "guessing." I didn't say that. I gave specifics on what I think "guessing" was, and timelines. You labeled them as non-sequitur despite the precise relation to exactly your arguments.
Non sequiter. It was thinking and advancments in technology that led to the connection between microorganisms and disease.
Oh, it was? In the 1800s? What "thinking and advancements in technology" let to a
scientist being forced to drink a petri dish full of helicobacter pylori bacterium to prove to his colleagues bacterium cause peptic ulcers?
Exceptions do not prove the rule. It was the evidence that convinced doctors that helicobacter pylori causes peptic ulcers. Where is your evidence of this star's existance?
READ. THE. DECLASSIFIED. NASA. DOCUMENT.
Show me the hard data that this star exists.
READ. THE. DECLASSIFIED. NASA. DOCUMENT.
Why do you do so? There is no reason to believe (and every reason not to) that the authors of GEN knew anything about the world outside their little corner of it. But there is no need to try and parse words from scripture to figure out if there was a global flood. The geological record is there for us to examine. There is no evidence of a global flood in the geological record. This has been known since the early to mid 1800's.
Well, we are spiritually misaligned. You don't even believe anything in the bible; I am a staunch believer in God. So, that is one reason why I believe Genesis. Another reason is because
I am a physicist. Do you think I was Christian all of my life? I was a scientist first, then I "cheated" by becoming a physicist and having
proof of God's existence sans faith. I almost envy your ability to deny Him and His existence and Word, because I don't have that luxury when "times get tough."
Geology is a science, but as AV said, things can decay. (I really cant believe in all of my years as a scientist AV, I didn't think of what you said.) Oldest "found" record doesn't mean
first. Geology is a young science, trying to study something old (like the Earth.) We both have been through the gauntlet in academia; I am sure you have met people who are less than impressed with academia as I am. As I said before, being a physicist allows me to self-vindicate over a myriad of disciplines. Not biology, though.
So, you have independently gathered evidence for this "wormwood" dwarf star? You have independently examined the geological column? You have independently escavated sites in Mesopotamia? No one in science nowadays can be a jack -of -all- trades... there is too much specialization required. Being a physicist does not make you an expert on biology, geology, or astronomy, btw.
I read the NASA document - this is after I read the Egyptian texts, and apocryphal texts. The NASA document from 1985 just confirmed everything.
I haven't excavated sites in Mesopotamia, but I have seen the original documents from petroglyphs. I have been in Ghanaian caves and mountains.
And, there are plenty of "jack of all trades" in science. Many of them are my friends and colleagues. There are savants abound in this world.
Politics, and public incredulity keeps most people from benefiting from these Jacks.
And, I told (or maybe it was Truth) that me being a physicist does not make my word bond. I CHALLENGE you to prove me wrong. I have been in the lab and I have studied this myself - seen it first hand. Am I an expert because I know physics? No. Some seasoned veteran of science, or grad student can outdo me anytime. (Keep that in mind about your field.) But, I do have confidence in what I know. It is the same type of confidence that won Barry Marshall the Nobel Prize in Physiology/Medicine.
