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Noah's Ark Mystery

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Yup.

The earth was one big supercontinent at the time.

Humans can travel 20 miles/day (I am sure animals can do more, but lets just use that scale.) At that rate, one could make it to Australia in less than 1/3 a year - basically in a summer. That is comparable to a migratory season.
 
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Ha, that would give questioners answers as to why God claimed the whole "world" would be flooded - it was Pangaea - PAN (all) GAEA (Earth) - literally "all earth." The "world" was all one. Then, there is Panthalassa (thanks AV,) which was the "waters separated from the firmament under the waters (rainforest mist.)

HA. It is ridiculous how many answers are in our faces, while programmed culture teaches us to deny and ignore the facts - all while it is dancing in our faces!
 
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Humans can travel 20 miles/day (I am sure animals can do more, but lets just use that scale.) At that rate, one could make it to Australia in less than 1/3 a year - basically in a summer.

Most people assume Noah's journey aboard the Ark started in Mesopotamia, then ended there as well.

That's probably because they want to believe the Flood was a local flood.

I don't go with that interpretation.

I believe Noah lived much farther away than Mesopotamia, and Wikipedia points out that the pitch pine is the primary tree of the New Jersey Pine Barrens.

Thus I go with the idea that Noah lived in what is now New Jersey.
 
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God said that the waters will come from the firmament in the sky, but also from the deep, and from the fountains of the water. The Flood was a global seismic event - and is even theorized to be from a long-orbit dwarf star companion of the sun. So, if Pangea was one land mass (with a bunch of lakes/rivers,) then it should make sense how a dwarf star (or any seismic activity) can cause continental separation (this is where waters from underneath can come from too,) super waves, and even severe weather (especially given seismic activity includes vulcanism.)

So, the critter (or even Noah's ark) could have dropped off in Australia when the activity stopped, and as the waters receded. He sent a dove out a few times, and it eventually came back with an olive branch, but the waters didn't necessarily recede in one day - or even at one time. He even sent a dove after one found an olive branch, and the bird didn't come back.

What about Surfboards?

Noah could have made Surfboards for all the Aussie animals. God could have taught them how to use them super quick, and then created some great waves.

I think you will find this is a much more plausible explanation than positing that the whole continent of Australia caught a wave and surfed to its current location.
 
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It is a dogma of establishment science that the tale of the biblical flood is a fairytale or, at most, an aggrandized tale of some local or regional flood. That, however, does not jibe with the facts of the historical record. The flood turns out to have been part and parcel of some larger, solar-system-wide calamity.

In particular, the seven days just prior to the flood are mentioned twice within a short space:

Gen. 7:4 "For yet seven days, and I will cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights;...

Gen. 7:10 "And it came to pass after seven days, that the waters of the flood were upon the earth."

These were seven days of intense light, generated by some major cosmic event within our system. The Old Testament contains one other reference to these seven days, i.e. Isaiah 30:26:
"...Moreover, the light of the moon shall be as the light of the sun, and the light of the sun shall be sevenfold, as the light of seven days..."
Most interpret this as meaning cramming seven days worth of light into one day. That is wrong; the reference is to the seven days prior to the flood. The reference apparently got translated out of a language which doesn't use articles. It should read "as the light of THE seven days".

It turns out, that the bible claims that Methuselah died in the year of the flood. It may not say so directly, but the ages given in Genesis 5 along with the note that the flood began in the 600'th year of Noah's life (Genesis 7:11) add up that way:
Gen. 5:25 -]

"And Methuselah lived an hundred eighty and seven years and begat Lamech.

And Methuselah lived after he begat Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begat sons and daughters. And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years. [i.e. he lived 969 - 187 = 782 years after Lamech's birth];
And Lamech lived an hundred eighty and two years and begat a son.
And he called his name Noah... [182 + 600 = 782 also...]

Thus we have Methusaleh dying in the year of the flood; seven days prior to the flood...

Louis Ginzburg's seven-volume "Legends of the Jews", the largest body of Midrashim ever translated into German and English to my knowledge, expands upon the laconic tales of the OT.

From Ginzburg's Legends of the Jews, Vol V, page 175:

...however, Lekah, Gen. 7.4) BR 3.6 (in the week of mourning for Methuselah, God caused the primordial light to shine).... God did not wish Methuselah to die at the same time as the sinners...

The reference is, again, to Gen. 7.4, which reads:

"For yet seven days, and I shall cause it to rain upon the earth forty days and forty nights..."

The note that "God did not wish Methusaleh to die at the same time as the sinners" indicates that Methusaleh died at pretty nearly precisely the beginning of the week prior to the flood. The week of "God causing the primordial lights to shine" was the week of intense light before the flood.

What the old books are actually telling us is that there was a stellar blowout of some sort either close to or within our own system at the time of the flood. The blowout was followed by seven days of intense light and radiation, and then the flood itself. Moreover, the signs of the impending disaster were obvious enough for at least one guy, Noah, to take extraordinary precautions.

The ancient (but historical) world knew a number of seven-day light festivals, Hanukkah, the Roman Saturnalia etc. All were ultimately derived from the memory of the seven days prior to the flood.


If this entire deal is a made-up story, then here is a case of the storyteller (isaiah) making extra work for himself with no possible benefit, the detail of the seven days of light being supposedly known amongst the population, and never included in the OT story directly.

Greek and Roman authors, particularly Hesiod and ovid, Chinese authors and others, note that small groups of men and animals survived the flood on high places and on anything which could float for a year. There is no essential contradiction between this and the biblical account. Noah's descendants were probably unaware of anybody else surviving and wrote the story that way.
 
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What about Surfboards?

Noah could have made Surfboards for all the Aussie animals. God could have taught them how to use them super quick, and then created some great waves.

I think you will find this is a much more plausible explanation than positing that the whole continent of Australia caught a wave and surfed to its current location.

Naah, I like the explanation in this video:

Why do people laugh at creationists? (part 39) - YouTube


The article that it is based upon is still the same:


http://www.conservapedia.com/Post-Diluvian_Diasporas
 
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There are tons of such evidence.

The Flood

Nope, geological evidence is a subcategory of scientific evidence. There is no scientific evidence of the Flud. And that is due to Flud scientists.

"Scientific evidence" has a very precise meaning and the nonsense spewed by failed geologists does not meet that standard.
 
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De Nile....

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Ha, that would give questioners answers as to why God claimed the whole "world" would be flooded - it was Pangaea - PAN (all) GAEA (Earth) - literally "all earth." The "world" was all one. Then, there is Panthalassa (thanks AV,) which was the "waters separated from the firmament under the waters (rainforest mist.)

HA. It is ridiculous how many answers are in our faces, while programmed culture teaches us to deny and ignore the facts - all while it is dancing in our faces!
The famous ID representative Kent Hovind dismissed the idea of Pangaea. According to him, Africa would have had to shrink roughly 40%.

Here he is explaining it.
 
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Thank you for continuing to show that you have no evidence to support your claims.

In fact you are ignorant of what scientific evidence consists of.


Would you like so help? I don't mind. That way you will not make such a foolish mistake again.
 
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God said that the waters will come from the firmament in the sky, but also from the deep, and from the fountains of the water. The Flood was a global seismic event - and is even theorized to be from a long-orbit dwarf star companion of the sun. So, if Pangea was one land mass (with a bunch of lakes/rivers,) then it should make sense how a dwarf star (or any seismic activity) can cause continental separation (this is where waters from underneath can come from too,) super waves, and even severe weather (especially given seismic activity includes vulcanism.)
Where in the bible did it say anything about a "long-orbit dwarf star companion of the sun." Where does it even say that stars are anything like the sun? How does a dwarf star cause accelerated plate movements that would separate thecontinents within a year?
 
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Much of the biblical flood story was actually plagiarized from "The Epic of Gilgamesh," the mythical Sumerian account of Ut-Napishtim written on stone tablets around 2000 BC. In "The Epic of Gilgamesh, one righteous man was spared from a worldwide flood by building a large boat with a single door and one window. The ark contained a few other human beings plus plant and animal specimens. Rains covered the mountains with water. Birds were sent to find land. The boat landed on a mountain in the middle east. Ut-Napshtim sacrificed an animal as an offering, and the Babylonian gods expressed regret for flooding the earth. Sound familiar?

While I agree that the flood story in GEN is derived from the earlier Sumerian story, its a little silly to call it "plagiarized." These creation stories changed over time and were handed down as oral traditions long before they ever were written down.
 
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