Noah's Ark and the Cheetah

[AV1611VET]

When AV sees a thread that he knows creationists have no answer to he attacks with nonsense. Seriously there should be a rule against that, and technically there is. Sadly he will not be called out for "goading" here.

Hey, chief.

It takes two to derail a thread.

I'll vacate this thread, but I'll do it with respect to the OP.

If I see the OP allowing anti-creationist ridicule, in place of solid scientific answers he wants, I just may pop back in.

(Fair enough, Cadet?)

 

[Subduction Zone]

Hey, chief.

It takes two to derail a thread.

I'll vacate this thread, but I'll do it with respect to the OP.

If I see the OP allowing anti-creationist ridicule, in place of solid scientific answers he wants, I just may pop back in.

(Fair enough, Cadet?)

That is another false statement. You derail all thread by yourself.

And where is there "anti-creationist ridicule"? You act as if creationists deserve some respect. Respect is earned and creationists like you tend to make all creationists look bad.

Let me tell you the point of this thread. The population bottleneck that was experienced by cheetahs and that is not shared by all other life, is extremely strong evidence that there never was a worldwide flood as written in Genesis.

Now if you have something meaningful to add please, add it. If you have nothing, as you usually have, please leave the discussion alone. Your silliness only makes all Flood supporters look bad. Or if you want to continue to make your fellow creationists look bad then please do continue to post here. You are doing a bang up job in that respect.

 

[JasonClark]

Hey, chief.

It takes two to derail a thread.

I could not agree more, they are as much to blame for reacting to the crazy creationist things you write they should just ignore it.

 

[SteveB28]

When AV sees a thread that he knows creationists have no answer to he attacks with nonsense. Seriously there should be a rule against that, and technically there is. Sadly he will not be called out for "goading" here.

A little like my 8 year old great grandson. When it looks like he won't win a game of 'go fish' he will often throw all the cards on the floor.

The hope is that the 8 year old will eventually learn to behave in a mature fashion.

 

[KWCrazy]

The one verse that is never mentioned in the Bible is the verse that says "And the Lord promised to create no more..." because it isn't there. Jesus, who knew the earth was in orbit around the sun, who knew that the earth was spherical and who had all the knowledge that we would develop after the Industrial Revolution chose to educate us on the ways of spirituality and leave the discovery of everything else to us. It stands to reason, then, that if things were happening in other parts of the world that didn't affect the region He wouldn't have shared the information with them. The information He did share was overwhelming enough. So how did the Kuala bear get from the ark to the Eucalyptus trees? Nobody knows. It isn't ruled out that they came into existence there. After all, Manna didn't come into existence until the Israelites needed it and then it was gone.

As it has been said before, there will be a great falling away of religion in the last days as people find other answers. These answers seem to make sense to them so they gravitate to those answers and away from the Scriptures which never addressed such things. God has not changed. Jesus still saves and still changes lives.

 

[Armoured]

I've been reading and heard that there was some sort of actual flood that happened in history from the black sea deluge. Still being debated but this is probably the most plausible explanation.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html

There are several large floods that are possible contenders for the origin of "The Flood" myth. The Black Sea inundation event is my personal choice, but there's also the Mediterranean inundations, the Red Sea inundation, and even some who maintain it was just an unusually large seasonal flood in Mesopotamia.

 

[The Cadet]

The one verse that is never mentioned in the Bible is the verse that says "And the Lord promised to create no more..." because it isn't there. Jesus, who knew the earth was in orbit around the sun, who knew that the earth was spherical and who had all the knowledge that we would develop after the Industrial Revolution chose to educate us on the ways of spirituality and leave the discovery of everything else to us. It stands to reason, then, that if things were happening in other parts of the world that didn't affect the region He wouldn't have shared the information with them. The information He did share was overwhelming enough. So how did the Kuala bear get from the ark to the Eucalyptus trees? Nobody knows. It isn't ruled out that they came into existence there. After all, Manna didn't come into existence until the Israelites needed it and then it was gone.

As it has been said before, there will be a great falling away of religion in the last days as people find other answers. These answers seem to make sense to them so they gravitate to those answers and away from the Scriptures which never addressed such things. God has not changed. Jesus still saves and still changes lives.

Okay, more supernatural causation.

Anyone have an answer that's more substantial than "magic did it"?

 

[JasonClark]

As it has been said before, there will be a great falling away of religion in the last days as people find other answers. These answers seem to make sense to them so they gravitate to those answers and away from the Scriptures which never addressed such things. God has not changed. Jesus still saves and still changes lives.

Then perhaps the quicker everyone turns away from religion the better it will be for the few remaining Christians?
does it say how many must fall away before the end comes? why would it say that anyway doesn't God want everyone to be saved? perhaps the end should have come a couple of hundred years ago when most people believed, why wait until only a few people believe in a God? does God want everyone to go to hell?

 

[JasonClark]

Anyone have an answer that's more substantial than "magic did it"?

Of course not, religions do not have anything other than " magic did it".

 

[KWCrazy]

Okay, more supernatural causation.

If the event was supernatural in origin, as the flood would have been, then supernatural causation is the right answer. After all, God who created all of life in the first place has no restriction on creating more life tomorrow. It need not conform to expected biological developments.

 

[KWCrazy]

why would it say that anyway doesn't God want everyone to be saved?

Because God knows the future. The end will come when, like before, man has become intolerably corrupt. That you still have time to turn to Him is a prime example of God's love and patience.
Revelation 6:
9 And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellow servants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

There are several large floods that are possible contenders for the origin of "The Flood" myth. The Black Sea inundation event is my personal choice, but there's also the Mediterranean inundations, the Red Sea inundation, and even some who maintain it was just an unusually large seasonal flood in Mesopotamia.

Yea that's what I've heard it was a flood around that area which is the basis of some flood myths

 

[Armoured]

If the event was supernatural in origin, as the flood would have been, then supernatural causation is the right answer. After all, God who created all of life in the first place has no restriction on creating more life tomorrow. It need not conform to expected biological developments.

God can do what he likes, of course. But when YEC types are making claims about what they say actually happened, well "God could have if he wanted to, even though there's no mention of it in the Bible", doesn't really come off all that convincing.

 

[KWCrazy]

God can do what he likes, of course. But when YEC types are making claims about what they say actually happened, well "God could have if he wanted to, even though there's no mention of it in the Bible", doesn't really come off all that convincing.

If they claim that it happened without knowledge, certainly that falls flat. I simply put forth a possibility based on the fact that there is no mention in Scriptures that God STOPPED creating and there is plenty of evidence of His continued involvement. The fact is the Bible tells us very little about the world around us, only how we should live in it and treat each other. There will be always questions for which the answers aren't readily available. One could pray about it and ask for the revelation of the Holy Spirit, but though that could provide the answer to the one seeking, it does little to convince anyone else. In the end, you either put your faith in the Creator or the creation. Both can provide and answer, but only one will be right.

 

[Armoured]

If they claim that it happened without knowledge, certainly that falls flat. I simply put forth a possibility based on the fact that there is no mention in Scriptures that God STOPPED creating

Genesis 2:2, actually.

 

[KWCrazy]

Yea that's what I've heard it was a flood around that area which is the basis of some flood myths

Ever look at a topographical map of the region? Unless you learn to stack water, you aren't going to get much of a flood on low ground with easy runoff to the sea. The only way to get water over the mountains and the high hills requires a rise in sea levels, which would never happen with a local flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

If the event was supernatural in origin, as the flood would have been, then supernatural causation is the right answer. After all, God who created all of life in the first place has no restriction on creating more life tomorrow. It need not conform to expected biological developments.

The problem is that even a supernatural flood would leave evidence behind. And there is no physical evidence of a worldwide flood.

 

[Subduction Zone]

Ever look at a topographical map of the region? Unless you learn to stack water, you aren't going to get much of a flood on low ground with easy runoff to the sea. The only way to get water over the mountains and the high hills requires a rise in sea levels, which would never happen with a local flood.

And over 5 miles of water would leave some kind of mark.

 

[KWCrazy]

Genesis 2:2, actually.

What is "ended?" Ended for the time or for all time? Might new developments require new solutions? It's not Scriptural, just a guess.

 

[Armoured]

What is "ended?" Ended for the time or for all time? Might new developments require new solutions? It's not Scriptural, just a guess.

If scripture doesn't specifically say that God started creating again, any claim you make about his doing so is non scriptural.