Noah's Ark and the Cheetah

[SteveB28]

What tale would that be?

I was thinking of Moby Dick, but someone else has pointed out that is not the opening line. My mistake.

 

[AV1611VET]

What tale would that be?

Moby Richard

I didn't catch it either.

 

[keith99]

Moby Richard

I didn't catch it either.

Great Literature and Die Hard both bowdlerized by Christian Forums!

Seems strange to me that someone would miss that badly on one of the 2 most famous opening lines of books. (The other is for A Tale of 2 cities)

Try this quiz. Don't get your hopes too high, the last ones are as difficult as the first are easy.

http://www.csmonitor.com/Books/2014...-famous-first-line-to-the-novel-it-comes-from

 

[AV1611VET]

Great Literature and Die Hard both bowdlerized by Christian Forums!

Better to err on the side of being too modest than relax and turn a site into an uncensored chat room.

 

[Grafted In]

One posible answer regarding inbreeding is that perhaps God brought the female of each species pregnant by a male other than the one He brought to Noah.

 

[Armoured]

One posible answer regarding inbreeding is that perhaps God brought the female of each species pregnant by a male other than the one He brought to Noah.

That's still a very tight genetic bottleneck.

 

[Grafted In]

Well perhaps, but the male God brought to Noah may have not been of breeding age and he only bred the offspring of the female. Then perhaps the female had all female cubs born to her.
Besides, inbreeding in Biblical times was fairly common. Abraham and Sarah had a common parent.

 

[SteveB28]

One posible answer regarding inbreeding is that perhaps God brought the female of each species pregnant by a male other than the one He brought to Noah.

You have a problem. Does not the myth refer to each animal being accompanied by his mate? This would appear to suggest a breeding pair, rather than two unrelated animals.

However, as has been explained, this would do little to alleviate the extremely narrow band of genetic diversity - an effect which we simply do not see in the real world, save for a few extraordinary examples such as the cheetah.

 

[SteveB28]

Well perhaps, but the male God brought to Noah may have not been of breeding age and he only bred the offspring of the female. Then perhaps the female had all female cubs born to her.
Besides, inbreeding in Biblical times was fairly common. Abraham and Sarah had a common parent.

Then we should see evidence of this throughout the genetic fabric of all species.

We don't.

 

[JasonClark]

Like all fairy tales the only thing that makes them work is magic, magic and more magic, hit a snag and the answer is always magic.

 

[AV1611VET]

Like all fairy tales the only thing that makes them work is magic, magic and more magic, hit a snag and the answer is always magic.

I can explain it without magic.

 

[Subduction Zone]

I can explain it without magic.

I seriously doubt that, but go ahead.

 

[GrimKingGrim]

The only sensible conclusion is that the story of Noah is not true.
Maybe it's metaphorical or maybe it's just myth.

I've been reading and heard that there was some sort of actual flood that happened in history from the black sea deluge. Still being debated but this is probably the most plausible explanation.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html

 

[Subduction Zone]

I've been reading and heard that there was some sort of actual flood that happened in history from the black sea deluge. Still being debated but this is probably the most plausible explanation.

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2009/02/090206-smaller-noah-flood.html

Actually your article tells us that the Black Sea flood was not as extreme as first thought. And even that flood was one that a person could have crawled away from. I have done the calculations in the past. Of course cities cannot crawl so for them it would have been a problem. For the people it would have been a huge inconvenience. They would have had to abandon homes with no new homes to move to. But there is no reason to think that this flood would have killed anyone.

 

[AV1611VET]

I seriously doubt that, but go ahead.

It was a miracle.

 

[Subduction Zone]

It was a miracle.

A miracle is just another word for magic. You failed AV.

 

[AV1611VET]

A miracle is just another word for magic.

By the world's standard ... yes.

You failed AV.

That's a good thing.

 

[The Cadet]

It was a miracle.

You know what's just as likely as that miracle? That the world popped into existence, fully formed, 30 seconds ago.

Can we please stop engaging with these ridiculous, unscientific claims in this thread? Seriously, go pollute some other thread, I'd like to hear some answers that aren't based on supernatural causation and things which are functionally impossible.

 

[Subduction Zone]

By the world's standard ... yes.

No, by any reasonable standard.

That's a good thing.

Not for you. You said that you could do something that you could not do. That means that you stated a falsehood.[/QUOTE]

 

[Subduction Zone]

You know what's just as likely as that miracle? That the world popped into existence, fully formed, 30 seconds ago.

Can we please stop engaging with these ridiculous, unscientific claims in this thread? Seriously, go pollute some other thread, I'd like to hear some answers that aren't based on supernatural causation and things which are functionally impossible.

When AV sees a thread that he knows creationists have no answer to he attacks with nonsense. Seriously there should be a rule against that, and technically there is. Sadly he will not be called out for "goading" here.