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"Thorough testing requires replication to verify results"? But if my data is "this burial shroud can be carbon-dated to 1200 AD", why wouldn't I be able to replicate that result? It'd be pretty trivial; just pick another sample area and test that. You're confusing the event with the data. The event cannot be replicated, but the data that led us to the hypothesis about the event can be.




Are you kidding me? I already did:

Not only is this simply not true, it also (and here's a big, fat, useful hint for anyone curious about how true these claims are) runs directly contrary to the way science has been practiced for the past 200-odd years. Tell this to a geologist, a paleontologist, an evolutionary-developmental biologist, an anthropologist, a climatologist, a cosmologist, an astrophysicist, or almost any other scientist in any other discipline, and they'll laugh you out of the room! You will not find any serious scientists who agree with the statement made by these people, because, well, it's asinine. It's like saying "science can make no statement about human emotions" - not only can it, but it has been doing so for quite some time, and I'm sure quite a few researchers would be quite interested to know that what they're doing is not science.

The statements are just wrong. PZ Myers also took them on head-on:



(Emphasis mine.)



No, I'm sorry, his logic is just straight-up wrong. As Myers points out:



There's nothing to debunk there. Ask any real scientist what they think about the matter, and you'll hear "yeah, you can make repeatable observations about the past". Or, to put it another way:


If I show you this picture, and your life depended on it, could you tell me to any degree of certainty what kind of natural disaster is going on here? I think you could, just like I think most people could. You can do that despite the fact that we can't repeat the events that led to that photo. We can draw inferences from what is contained in the photo, as well as concordant other lines of evidence, to conclude that this was most likely a hurricane. Much in the same way forensic science can look at a bloodstained fingerprint on the wall and the murder weapon and conclude that the murderer is whoever has those fingerprints (the fact that it's a forensic science lab claiming that you cannot use science to investigate the past is doubly disturbing). The observation of the fingerprint, the observation of the damage from the hurricane... These are things that lay in the present that point to an event that happened in the past repeatably and consistently.

Sorry. Pointing is not science. I'd like to test your observation. I can't.
My only option is to re-create what I think you saw.....then observe it myself.

Cold-Fusion for example. It has never been dis-proven. The well documented
and peer supported observations of cold fusion simply have not been reproduced.
You can't reproduce the past.

Did we prove it never happened? No. Past events cannot be proven or disproved.
That is the realm of history, not science. The fields of science you refer
to are scientific disciplines of knowledge. You can systematically accumulate
knowledge using scientific procedures.

But it's not that same as hard science. It's just stories.
 
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Sorry. Pointing is not science. I'd like to test your observation. I can't.
My only option is to re-create what I think you saw.....then observe it myself.

Cold-Fusion for example. It has never been dis-proven. The well documented
and peer supported observations of cold fusion simply have not been reproduced.
You can't reproduce the past.

When a forensic scientists presents evidence in a murder trial, does he have to re-animate the corpse and have the suspect kill the zombie corpse in front of the jury? Of course not, right?

The past leaves evidence in the present that we can use to test hypotheses. That is science.
 
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Welp, I tried. You know nothing about science and have no interest in learning. I'm done here.


This happens every-time I remove my blog links from my sig file. It's back now. Note in the upper right corner.

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If I doubt your observations, then this step must be repeated.
If I can't reproduce your observations, real science stops.
I may be able to step into your lab and see your setup.

But the farther I get away from your actual observation
the less support I can offer your theory. Science stops.

All I ask is that you show somebody, somewhere saying that
science can reproduce past events. Nobody claims it can anywhere.

And geologists are just yanking your chain. It's all fiction, some good,
some bad. So maybe you still support cold-fusion. Good luck W T.
 
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<complete crap>

I refer you, like everyone else, to the only debate that needs to be had on the subject of "historical" science.

http://abstractfactory.blogspot.de/2005/10/only-debate-on-intelligent-design-that.html

If I were to bust your kneecap with a baseball bat, would you reject forensic science just because the event was in the past? I hope not. That would be incredibly stupid.

Look, here's a quick guide to telling whether your claim about a complex methodology makes sense. Does your claim run directly contrary to how multiple independent fields of study do their work? Congratulations, you are wrong.
 
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All I ask is that you show somebody, somewhere saying that
science can reproduce past events. Nobody claims it can anywhere.

What happened in the past is the hypothesis. You don't repeat the hypothesis. Please learn the difference between observations and hypotheses.
 
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