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No, just playing opossum. OOOPS! I guess you forgot they were marsupials as well.

I know you aren't a fan of evidence, but opossums have some evidence for evolution as well.

Opossums look and live a lot like regular possums, but genetically they are more distant then kangaroos and koalas. This is exactly what you'd expect if the American and Australian populations of marsupials split before most the Australian adaptations occurred.

we can see the similar thing with African monkeys having more in common genetically with you and me then they do with the American monkeys.
 
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I know you aren't a fan of evidence, but opossums have some evidence for evolution as well.

Opossums look and live a lot like regular possums, but genetically they are more distant then kangaroos and koalas. This is exactly what you'd expect if the American and Australian populations of marsupials split before most the Australian adaptations occurred.

we can see the similar thing with African monkeys having more in common genetically with you and me then they do with the American monkeys.

Indeed.....and perhaps Mr Crazy might like to explain why it is that we see different, but similar, species occurring in separate geographical locations which were once joined........the example that springs to mind is the ostrich in Sth Africa, the emu in Oz, the Moa (now extinct) in NZ, and the rhea in Sth America...

This pattern of distribution fits PERFECTLY with a) the drifting apart of land masses that were once joined and b) the processes of evolutionary change....
 
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Patterns of animal distribution were one of the principal evidences that inspired Darwin to formulate the Theory of Evolution. Biogeogaphy is not only observable evidence for evolution but also poses grave difficulty for the Noachian paradigm. I assert that these patterns are irreconcilable with, and therefore observable evidence against, the historicity of the story of Noah. For example;
Australian mammals are almost exclusively marsupials found nowhere else on earth. These marsupials are extremely varied in terms of morphology and the ecological niches they inhabit, species as varied as marsupial "mice" "moles" "wolves" "bears""squirrels" "tigers" and various marsupial grazers, carnivores, tree dwellers and burrowers.
The usual question raised is "how did they get from the Ark to Australia" I find this a most uninteresting query which misses a more profound point;

Why were almost all the many varied mammals, that found their way from the Ark to Australia, marsupials? and why did no placental mammals succeed in joining them, and why did most all of theses marsupial species not succeed anywhere else?

Why did no mice, moles, bears, squirrels,tigers,goats, sheep, lions, cattle, monkeys, antelope, dogs, etc mammals found all over the rest of the world find their way there?

Moreover, when placentals are introduced by man, they thrive; introduced mice, rats, dogs, camels, horses, goats, rabbits etc, all do very well.

Similar patterns of endemic species are found elsewhere, most notably Madagascar.

I assert that these particular, observable non-random patterns of distribution are irreconcilable within a Noachian paradigm?

Can any creationists explain the above using a Noachian worldview?

The Australian Aboriginal people have an answer. According to their creation story, the animals were brought to the island continent by boat. Their ancestors brought animals with them as a food source. After that the only explanation I can think of is they cross bred animals with other kinds. Maybe rabbits with possums to get a kangaroo.
 
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The Australian Aboriginal people have an answer. According to their creation story, the animals were brought to the island continent by boat.

Couldn't have been the ark, it settled on a far away mountain top after the waters receded. There was no way it was going to get to water again.
 
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The Australian Aboriginal people have an answer. According to their creation story, the animals were brought to the island continent by boat.

They also believe that all life was spawned by the great Rainbow Serpent.....you gonna buy that bridge as well...?
 
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They also believe that all life was spawned by the great Rainbow Serpent.....you gonna buy that bridge as well...?

Hey, as a favor, can you quote what I say in this post: want to know why KWCrazy blocked me. When I offend people and I am really at fault, I like to apologize.
 
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The Australian Aboriginal people have an answer. According to their creation story, the animals were brought to the island continent by boat. Their ancestors brought animals with them to be used for food. After that the only explanation I can think of is they cross bred marsupials with other kinds. Maybe rabbits with possums to get a kangaroo.

They also believe that all life was spawned by the great Rainbow Serpent.....you gonna buy that bridge as well...?
I say they stepped through the door of the Ark after the Flood and were immediately back at their point of origination.

God brought them to the Ark, God took them back.
 
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I say they stepped through the door of the Ark after the Flood and were immediately back at their point of origination.

God brought them to the Ark, God took them back.

I can't help but think of Star Trek teleportation when you say that.
 
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I can't help but think of Star Trek teleportation when you say that.
Do you think of Star Trek teleportation when you read Acts 8?

Acts 8:39 And when they were come up out of the water, the Spirit of the Lord caught away Philip, that the eunuch saw him no more: and he went on his way rejoicing.
Acts 8:40 But Philip was found at Azotus: and passing through he preached in all the cities, till he came to Caesarea.


That's where I get this idea.
 
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I didn't say it was the ark. This was after the flood. The ancestors of the Aboriginal people came to Australia by boat.

Possible, I suppose. However, the animals getting there that way is another thing entirely; since people couldn't possibly have taken every member of all the species that are seen only in Australia, there should be kangaroos in other places, but that isn't what we see.
 
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Possible, I suppose. However, the animals getting there that way is another thing entirely; since people couldn't possibly have taken every member of all the species that are seen only in Australia, there should be kangaroos in other places, but that isn't what we see.

They did not have to bring every species with them. What they did bring with them was, in a sense, a unique genetic pool. Species are derived from kinds. Breeding, interbreeding, and cross breeding might account for the species we see.
 
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They did not have to bring every species with them. What they did bring with them was, in a sense, a unique genetic pool. Species are derived from kinds. Breeding, interbreeding, and cross breeding might account for the species we see.

The issue is that there would still have to be a relatively similar gene pool elsewhere, where the source animals came from. You don't find humans only on Australia, likewise you shouldn't have Australia be the only natural home of kangaroos and other creatures exclusive to Australia if they arrived there at the same time humans did.
 
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Can you explain why 23 of your 23 posts are in either of two evolution threads? I can. How's the weather under that bridge where you live? I KNEW my troll alert was on high from your first post.
Goodbye.

I'm curious - how does him posting in only two topics so far make him a troll?
 
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Of course not. The story was embellished. But I believe they did arrive by boat and they did bring animals with them.

Ah...so we cherry pick the bits that suit.....why does that sound familiar.....?

And you're wrong yet again......the only animal of significance they brought was the dingo...
 
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No, that is not possible.
How is that not possible and yet all of life; plant and animal; evolving from some magic Frankencell IS possible? The difference is, with God all things are possible. Without God, all things are impossible.
 
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