dad said:
*PLOP* That is the sound of my ass hitting the floor; because I just laughed it off.
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dad said:Try to refrain from fantasy here, this is a science forum!
Herman Hedning said:...Say dad, are you going to publish your amazing theories any time soon? Maybe you could call the book "The Bible According to Dad". I bet it would be a best seller - at least I know I'd buy it.
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Makes you wonder how much of the ship was wood, how much metal. I think there is little doubt much of it was wood.michabo said:I quite like the idea of patching a steel ship with pitch to prevent the steel from leaking. Those wacky ancients, huh?
Close And according to dad Noah set up a smelting facility right on the beach to do so. Maybe that is where he picked up a couple of those parasites.Illuminatus said:Oh my. I have dad on my ignore list (I cut back on my drinking, and he seems far less humourous now), so I don't see his posts unless someone quotes them.
I may be mistaken, but is dad suggesting that Noah built a metal boat the size of a destroyer, and then camouflaged it with wood?
I was asking how much metal was actually used. Was it just the support beams, or hull type idea, finished with wood?Illuminatus
I may be mistaken, but is dad suggesting that Noah built a metal boat the size of a destroyer, and then camouflaged it with wood?
Well aside from the bible passage which indicates that yes in fact the ark was made of wood it was also sealed with pitch…a wood thing, not a metal thing.dad said:You don't know what you are talking about. We do not know what it was. No one does, unless God told them or something. The record of that thing, or process from before the flood is gone.
Umm….no…there aren’tThere are a few things that lead to the conclusion that the casting process is as good an idea as any.
So there would be no need to call metal something other than what it wasIt is related to gophers in a way none of the trees are. It also involved wood, and a biblically recorded and documented working with metal.
Because trees magically re-grew to full size after the flood.In addition to this, the reason many have picked a certain wood for their guess as to what it was is what kind of wood is plentiful, or even found where they think the ark was built. Again, they have no idea where that really was, or what kind of trees grew there then!
Yep…sure …four men would be able to mine several tons of iron ore…smelt it and cast it into sheets to make a boat in their spare time they would have been able to produce a few rivet guns to hold their steel boat together.If there was a big iron deposit nearby, they would have been able to slap an ark together quickly, and cheaply, relatively speaking.
Except when it gets in the way of your fantasy world…like when you decide to pretend that wood was really metal.So don't tell us what it was a wasn't, you have no idea. We do have the bible, and I work with that known quantity.
Hit a nerve did I?That is not bible, or science, stack it up with granny, and the speck, and PO past, not with the big boys of science and bible!
That must be your fantasy, I never heard of it. I said metal, not bronze.
And they had words for these metals and castings and metal working too…so there would be no need to call metal “gopher wood” at allGe 4:22 And Zillah, she also bare Tubalcain, an instructer of every artificer in brass and iron: and the sister of Tubalcain was Naamah.
See, they worked with metal. Who knows the processes and mixes and whatnot they had, maybe better than our stuff?
Try actually reading the posts you are disagreeing with sometime…So you doubt the ability of the artificers of the time, which, added with the directions of God you think could not have made a strong metal?
Even in recorded early history we see strong metal, like this one with plastic qualities.
Eight hundred years ago"Studies on Wootz indicate that it was an ultra-high carbon steel with between 1-2% carbon and was believed to have been used to fashion Damascus blades with a watered steel pattern (Srinivasan and Griffiths 1997).
Which would be interesting if Damascus steel was around before the middle ages.Experimental reconstructions by Wadsworth and Sherby in the 1980’s have demonstrated that ultra-high carbon steels with about 1.5% C can be used to simulate ‘Damascus’ blades and that these exhibit fascinating superplastic properties. Superplasticity is a remarkable phenomenon which allows a material to change its external shape to a very great extent without changing within. "
http://www.metalrg.iisc.ernet.in/heritage.html
Well if your fairly tail is questioned…just add more fibs to itNow, with the pre split world and different carbon levels, etc. who knows? How hot did fire burn, even, for example in that atmosphere pre flood? I think it is presumptuous to assume their abilities at metal making were lacking, or the same as post flood history!
Lets see…you are the one making it all up and ignoring science …but yet you try to accuse me of not using science…yeah….that worksIt could very well have been the way God told Noah to have the ark constructed, this gopher wood process.
Do you think He would have ordered it to be metal if they were unable to make good stuff? Ridiculous. Try to refrain from fantasy here, this is a science forum!
No need for a beach. Soon the world would be underwater, dry land was fine. Right near the smelting operation.outlaw said:Close…And according to dad Noah set up a smelting facility right on the beach to do so. Maybe that is where he picked up a couple of those parasites.
TheBear said:Nice dodge.
Let's not cloud the issue by continuing to make this personal.
You claimed the "likelyhood" that Malaria organisms had a "different job to do". Explain that in detail. Thanks.
I really don't care about all that. If it works for you, great.LittleNipper said:As a Believer, I understand from the Bible that GOD created everything as GOOD. After the FALL of Adam, sin entered into GOD's ENTIRE creation. This means that things began to decay after the FALL. Man no longer obeyed GOD's will nor even understood it. Every animal that at one time knew its place in the environment now needed to consider survival. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So everything was infected including the environment.
LittleNipper said:As a Believer, I understand from the Bible that GOD created everything as GOOD. After the FALL of Adam, sin entered into GOD's ENTIRE creation. This means that things began to decay after the FALL. Man no longer obeyed GOD's will nor even understood it. Every animal that at one time knew its place in the environment now needed to consider survival. Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. So everything was infected including the environment.
michabo said:Didn't you just say that the wood used was a *wink* *wink* code word for steel?
dad said:One translation of it says "squared beams"
"There is one verse containing the word gopher . Here it is: (KJV)
Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
The word gopher is unclear, "no Hebrew expert knows for sure what gopher wood is in modern terminology". (Ref 2). In fact, gopher is barely a Hebrew word at all, looking very much like a foreign word included in the text. Others say it could be work of a careless scribe who meant to write kopher (covering or pitch), but everyone thought he wrote gopher.
The leading suggestions for the meaning of gopher wood are wood identity, spelling mistake, squared beams and lamination. Others have been suggested, such as a type of seasoning process or even the outlandish claim that the ark was made of reeds."
http://www.worldwideflood.com/ark/wood/gopher_wood.htm
The words "gopher" and "ets" (wood) used in Genesis 6:14 are translated in the Septuagint (LXX.) as "squared beams."
http://www.christiananswers.net/q-eden/gopherwood.html
Now, as I said, the main beams of the ark may have been made from this GW process. Or, if some prefer, maybe the whole thing, more or less, except the finishing work. In this case, the 'pitch' within and without may have had another purpose than a stopleak! Like what, you say?
WEll, who am I to hazard a guess, but why not. Insulation. Perhaps insulating it inside and out was a good idea if the ice age was also being ushered in at this time? You know, as the canopy was no longer there, and a polarization of some sort may have happened? (hey, I have heard this one somewhere). With the insulation, and the animal body heat, why, it may have been alright. Especially if God steered them closer to the equator, to avoid the extremes of such a thing?!
OK, what else? How about a rust inhibitor for the metal vessel?!!! A year on water, perhaps salty, does have it's wear and tear and rust, you know!!!! That's just a few quickies.
Hey, why not?
"But most bacteria are harmless, and without them, life on Earth could not exist. They are essential components of the global ecosystem as decomposers"Praxiteles said:I wonder what different function the ebola virus had prior to the fall. Or smallpox.
ROFL! yeah satan makes genetic mutations in his genetic factory. LOLLittleNipper said:I do accept mutation within species. I do not accept mutation as a cause of the various species. In that regard, I have no problem accepting that a variant of a species has become so specialized as to be environmentally specific. That does not mean that a tapeworm is not a tapeworm. The cause of ALL such mutations is a direct result of the FALL of Adam and hinges on satanic influence (Satan is still the Prince of this planet). He will remain such until he is removed from office by GOD.
I wonder if Satan is connected with the aliens with the amazing animal shrinking ray?f U z ! o N said:ROFL! yeah satan makes genetic mutations in his genetic factory. LOL
More likely with the strange anal probing obsession these aliens are supposed to have...outlaw said:I wonder if Satan is connected with the aliens with the amazing animal shrinking ray?
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