Noah’s “special” problem

[outlaw]

As if we were not having fun already in the fresh/slat water debate and the “where did Noah put all the insects?” Threads there is another fun animal to consider and ask just hwo it survived on Noah’s ark….

Parasites.

There are several hundred species of parasites that live only in human beings… four types of malaria, two types of tapeworm, , hookworm, trichomanoasis, three agents of filariasis, two species of Schistosoma, pinworm, three types of lice. And hundreds of other human only parasites.

There were, according to the bible only eight human beings on the ark… so how did they take care of the parasites?

It is even more fun when you consider that a significant number of these parasites are sexually transmitted.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

In addition to parasites....Were there petri dishes for the many species of slime mold, lichen, bacteria, yeast, fungi, protozoa, and archaea?

Maybe somebody will suggest that those organisms survived on their own druing the deluge. I sure hope they can back it up with scripture rather then speculation.

 

[Ryal Kane]

A wizard did it.

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

Ah yes, the wizard defence.

Lucy Lawless: ... but I'm sure that once girls get to know the real you, you'll get plenty of dates. Next question.
[hands go up. She picks Frink]
Frink: Yes, over here, n'hey, n'hey. In episode BF12, you were battling barbarians while riding a winged Appaloosa, yet in the very next scene, my dear, you're clearly atop a winged Arabian. Please do explain it.
Lucy Lawless: Ah, yeah, well, whenever you notice something like that, a wizard did it.
Frink: I see, all right, yes, but in episode AG4 --
Lucy Lawless: Wizard.

 

[llDayo]

As if we were not having fun already in the fresh/slat water debate and the “where did Noah put all the insects?” Threads there is another fun animal to consider and ask just hwo it survived on Noah’s ark….

Parasites.

There are several hundred species of parasites that live only in human beings… four types of malaria, two types of tapeworm, , hookworm, trichomanoasis, three agents of filariasis, two species of Schistosoma, pinworm, three types of lice. And hundreds of other human only parasites.

There were, according to the bible only eight human beings on the ark… so how did they take care of the parasites?

It is even more fun when you consider that a significant number of these parasites are sexually transmitted.

They did rock, paper, scissors to decide who got what. Me, I'd definitely go for the pinworm and malaria. Very nice combo!

 

[TeddyKGB]

I have one answer in two parts.

1a. Micro

1b. Evolution

 

[jad123]

Who cares?????

Somehow God took care of all of this. Who cares about parisites or fungus. Jesus himself spoke of Noah.

Mat 24:38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

 

[LittleNipper]

As if we were not having fun already in the fresh/slat water debate and the “where did Noah put all the insects?” Threads there is another fun animal to consider and ask just hwo it survived on Noah’s ark….

Parasites.

There are several hundred species of parasites that live only in human beings… four types of malaria, two types of tapeworm, , hookworm, trichomanoasis, three agents of filariasis, two species of Schistosoma, pinworm, three types of lice. And hundreds of other human only parasites.

There were, according to the bible only eight human beings on the ark… so how did they take care of the parasites?

It is even more fun when you consider that a significant number of these parasites are sexually transmitted.

I do accept mutation within species. I do not accept mutation as a cause of the various species. In that regard, I have no problem accepting that a variant of a species has become so specialized as to be environmentally specific. That does not mean that a tapeworm is not a tapeworm. The cause of ALL such mutations is a direct result of the FALL of Adam and hinges on satanic influence (Satan is still the Prince of this planet). He will remain such until he is removed from office by GOD.

 

[Grengor]

I do accept mutation within species. I do not accept mutation as a cause of the various species. In that regard, I have no problem accepting that a variant of a species has become so specialized as to be environmentally specific. That does not mean that a tapeworm is not a tapeworm. The cause of ALL such mutations is a direct result of the FALL of Adam and hinges on satanic influence (Satan is still the Prince of this planet). He will remain such until he is removed from office by GOD.

Ok then, going out on a leg and ignoring the observed instances of speciation, what's the biological difference in the mechanism between micro and macro, as I believe that's what you're referring to.

 

[Elduran]

Who cares?????

Somehow God took care of all of this. Who cares about parisites or fungus. Jesus himself spoke of Noah.

Mat 24:38For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark,

What a refreshingly well-reasoned argument...

What if this was an allegorical reference rather than a literal one?

 

[dad]

In addition to parasites....Were there petri dishes for the many species of slime mold, lichen, bacteria, yeast, fungi, protozoa, and archaea?

Maybe somebody will suggest that those organisms survived on their own druing the deluge. I sure hope they can back it up with scripture rather then speculation.

God told Noah to put animals in the ark.

Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
There it was pretty general, we may not know God meant the animals just from that. Fortunately, the next chapter clears it up what was meant.

Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
He didn't march the parasites in two by two. People seem to forget God orchestrated this operation. It was no fluke, where Noah tapped into some cosmic vibe of mother nature and had to do everything himself. His job was the animals, basically, from what I can read. God did the rest, like plants and bugs, if I don't miss my guess here. He told Noah how to build that ark, how many stories it was to bem the materials, etc. He told them when to get in, and load it, and He even Personally closed the door. Let's give credit where credit is due!
Being a pre split world, I doubt many of the parasites even hyper adapted yet myself. Unless, of course, you have some evidence to the contrary.

 

[wowbagger]

God told Noah to put animals in the ark.

Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
There it was pretty general, we may not know God meant the animals just from that. Fortunately, the next chapter clears it up what was meant.

Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.
He didn't march the parasites in two by two. People seem to forget God orchestrated this operation. It was no fluke, where Noah tapped into some cosmic vibe of mother nature and had to do everything himself. His job was the animals, basically, from what I can read. God did the rest, like plants and bugs, if I don't miss my guess here. He told Noah how to build that ark, how many stories it was to bem the materials, etc. He told them when to get in, and load it, and He even Personally closed the door. Let's give credit where credit is due!
Being a pre split world, I doubt many of the parasites even hyper adapted yet myself. Unless, of course, you have some evidence to the contrary.

Well God could have just zapped the pesky humans out of existence and left Noah and his family to survive. But God likes drama. He's just crazy like that! The story just wouldn't be the same without a big flood, an insane ark, and loads of animals stuck for a year sailing the earth but somehow landing where they started. And throw in some birds and sacrifices to wrap it up nicely.
No wonder Noah got drunk when he landed.

 

[dad]

Well God could have just zapped the pesky humans out of existence and left Noah and his family to survive.

The animals were apparenly affected somehow by man's wickedness as well. He needed a clean slate.

But God likes drama. He's just crazy like that! The story just wouldn't be the same without a big flood, an insane ark, and loads of animals stuck for a year sailing the earth but somehow landing where they started.

No, no one says they started anywhere near the mountains of Aararat.

And throw in some birds and sacrifices to wrap it up nicely.
No wonder Noah got drunk when he landed.

That I can see, Noah having a good stiff drink. AS for sacrifices, they were to remind men of the promise that God would one day send His Lamb to save men. Notice they stopped not long after Jesus came.
On an interesting sidenote, they will start up again soon, and are one of the signs that Jesus will return soon. Just watch, you can bet the farm on it.

 

[LittleNipper]

Ok then, going out on a leg and ignoring the observed instances of speciation, what's the biological difference in the mechanism between micro and macro, as I believe that's what you're referring to.

There is simply a threshold of limitation that GOD has established at the moment of CREATION. HE allowed for variation (no two of ANYTHING exactly alike). GOD is unique and so is everything in HIS creation. However, monkeys are monkeys, and man is man. There is and never was the possibility of a Mankey or a Monman.

 

[ImmortalTechnique]

and yet we have an abundance of fossils of human/ape ancestors... so much for your idea

 

[dad]

and yet we have an abundance of fossils of human/ape ancestors... so much for your idea

No, you believe you do. You do not. You don't know what the fragmented skull was thinking do you? You just imagine it was human, or somehow connected.

 

[Forever42]

I do accept mutation within species. I do not accept mutation as a cause of the various species. In that regard, I have no problem accepting that a variant of a species has become so specialized as to be environmentally specific. That does not mean that a tapeworm is not a tapeworm.

And also not to mention, that tapeworms are a class, not a species. Under class you still have order, family, genus, and species, all under the class Cestoda, or tapeworms.

So which is it, evolution within a class or evolution within a species? Or do we have the nebulous "kind" here?

 

[outlaw]

God told Noah to put animals in the ark.

Psst…parasites ARE animals

Gen 6:19 And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort shalt thou bring into the ark, to keep them alive with thee; they shall be male and female.
There it was pretty general, we may not know God meant the animals just from that. Fortunately, the next chapter clears it up what was meant.

Well…if the chapter 7 didn’t contradict chapter 6 we might have learned something….

Gen 7:1 And the LORD said unto Noah, Come thou and all thy house into the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation. 2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female. 3 Of fowls also of the air by sevens, the male and the female; to keep seed alive upon the face of all the earth.

He didn't march the parasites in two by two. People seem to forget God orchestrated this operation.

Then you would think he would have done a better job

It was no fluke,

Um…excuse me…

I just wanted to pause and point out that a fluke is a parasite


Ok….

Back to what you were saying

where Noah tapped into some cosmic vibe of mother nature and had to do everything himself. His job was the animals, basically, from what I can read. God did the rest, like plants and bugs,

Leaving the whole question of why bother with the ark in the first place unanswered. If after all God could just *pop* fungi and plants and parasites and bacteria and all the stuff that wouldn’t fit onto the ark back into existence after the flood…why bother with the flood at all? Why not just hit Alt Ctrl Delete and start over?

[qutote] if I don't miss my guess here. He told Noah how to build that ark, how many stories it was to bem the materials, etc. He told them when to get in, and load it, and He even Personally closed the door. Let's give credit where credit is due![/quote]
Well I would give credit to the people who made this particular myth up and put it in the bible…but they did such a slipshod job with it.

Being a pre split world, I doubt many of the parasites even hyper adapted yet myself. Unless, of course, you have some evidence to the contrary.

actaully...a bit more than you have for the whole flood myth being true.

http://www.ecotao.com/holism/hu_ergaster.htm

http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:KE2AUFRP9o8J:www.bondy.ird.fr/pleins_textes/pleins_textes_5/pt5/nemato/15616.pdf+fossil+parasites&hl=en&gl=us&ct=clnk&cd=3

http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/doi/abs/10.1046/j.1365-2451.2003.00406.x

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/3527669.stm

 

[Late_Cretaceous]

I do accept mutation within species. I do not accept mutation as a cause of the various species. In that regard, I have no problem accepting that a variant of a species has become so specialized as to be environmentally specific. That does not mean that a tapeworm is not a tapeworm. The cause of ALL such mutations is a direct result of the FALL of Adam and hinges on satanic influence (Satan is still the Prince of this planet). He will remain such until he is removed from office by GOD.

So you agree that mutations have caused great danes and dalmations but not dogs and wolves?

How exactly do you explain the instances of speciation that have been observed?

 

[Dannager]

There is simply a threshold of limitation that GOD has established at the moment of CREATION. HE allowed for variation (no two of ANYTHING exactly alike). GOD is unique and so is everything in HIS creation. However, monkeys are monkeys, and man is man. There is and never was the possibility of a Mankey or a Monman.

In other words, you are not aware of any biological mechanism preventing mutations from accumulating to the point of whatever you would like to call change between kinds?