No true scotsman

[Moriel]

Being a christian is probably best defined by the Nicene Creed. There are two major sects of Islam, and each is defined by which textual authorities you accept.

I object.

Being a chreistian is defined by Christ, in the bible. The Nicene creed defines catholicism, not christianity. The two overlap to the extent that they do.... some believe the nicene creed is 100% biblical and thus defines christianity. Others interpret the bible very differently.

 

[pyramid33]

I have a problem with the "No true scotsman" fallacy. For those of you who are unfamiliar with the term - it refers to a fallacy wherein the object of debate is defined to suit the needs of the individual making the argument.

If the argument of an individual does not suit the individuals belief, then doesn't that mean that the individual is a fallacy?


The entire term is for those who have lost and are whining about how bad they feel for choosing to serve evil instead of good. God isn't the author of confusion.

It is called "an idiot's escape route that leads to destruction."

 

[Hetta]

Most of the time I see the 'No True Scotsman' argument it is claiming someone never was a member of the group in question.

^^ This. I see it like this:

Person A: no Christians ever committed murder
Person B: <names a few Christians who committed murder>
Person A: those weren't real Christians
Person B: <eye roll>

 

[pyramid33]

I object.

Being a chreistian is defined by Christ, in the bible. The Nicene creed defines catholicism, not christianity. The two overlap to the extent that they do.... some believe the nicene creed is 100% biblical and thus defines christianity. Others interpret the bible very differently.

I have never read about the nicene creed in The Bible.

 

[pyramid33]

^^ This. I see it like this:

Person A: no Christians ever committed murder
Person B: <names a few Christians who committed murder>
Person A: those weren't real Christians
Person B: <eye roll>

Murder is to be accepted or not accepted, I'm confused.

 

[Hetta]

Murder is to be accepted or not accepted, I'm confused.

You are probably confused because nothing in my post referred to the acceptance (or not) of murder.

 

[Hetta]

I have never read about the nicene creed in The Bible.

You have never read in the Bible that you should believe in one God who made heaven and earth, that Jesus is the son of God, that He was born to bring us salvation, that he was crucified, died and rose again? Really? Wow, you missed a LOT.

 

[pyramid33]

You have never read in the Bible that you should believe in one God who made heaven and earth, that Jesus is the son of God, that He was born to bring us salvation, that he was crucified, died and rose again? Really? Wow, you missed a LOT.

Surely you must be cutting out the catholic part if you are that confident. I have never read the word catholic mentioned in The Bible.

Accusing me of missing a lot is an insult and frowned upon. Be nice.

 

[Hetta]

Surely you must be cutting out the catholic part if you are that confident. I have never read the word catholic mentioned in The Bible.

It's a lower case c for catholic. You do know that there is more than one meaning to that word, correct? That meaning of catholic is:

Definition of catholic (adj)

Bing Dictionary
cath·o·lic
[ káthlik ]


1.all-inclusive: including or concerned with all people

It's a holy, apostolic and all inclusive church.

Nicene Creed - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[pyramid33]

You are probably confused because nothing in my post referred to the acceptance (or not) of murder.

I'm quite positive everybody is confused with a post that suggests murder/is good or bad, and then a follow up post denying mention of murder.

 

[pyramid33]

It's a lower case c for catholic. You do know that there is more than one meaning to that word, correct?

I am sure that I am not that delusional. Let's save it for judgement day.

 

[Syd the Human]

I'm quite positive everybody is confused with a post that suggests murder/is good or bad, and then a follow up post denying mention of murder.

No I got it. She was giving an example of someone using the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

A - Christians don't murder

B - Well here is a Christian who murdered someone

A - Well that person was not a Christian.

Person A is using the No True Scotsman Fallacy

 

[Hetta]

No I got it. She was giving an example of someone using the No True Scotsman Fallacy.

A - Christians don't murder

B - Well here is a Christian who murdered someone

A - Well that person was not a Christian.

Person A is using the No True Scotsman Fallacy

Thank you for explaining something that appears to me to be absolutely clear.

 

[Hetta]

I'm quite positive everybody is confused with a post that suggests murder/is good or bad, and then a follow up post denying mention of murder.

The next poster knew exactly what I meant. It couldn't be more clear.

 

[Gadarene]

I'm confused.

Yes, this is generally true.

 

[pyramid33]

Yes, this is generally true.

Is you're username you're real name?

 

[Gadarene]

Is you're username you're real name?

yes, my name is Gadarene Bane McBanerson

 

[pyramid33]

yes, my name is Gadarene Bane McBanerson

Ha.

 

[Moriel]

Yet, there are certainly christians that disagree with the jicene creed, based on the bible. The fact that the creed had to be made showed that a significsnt number of people differed in interpretation to an extent warrenting calling so many together to settle the disagreement.

Some who follow Christ would point out any number of scriptures that seem to oppose key statements in the creeds of nicea and constantinople. Catholicism requires it. Many christian denominations generally accept it. But christianity isnt based upon it. It is based upon a popular opinion of christianity.

 

[lesliedellow]

If X does Y, then he is no true Z, isn't a fallacy if X's doing Y is incompatible with any reasonable definition of Z.

If somebody denies the divinity of Christ, then he is no true Christian, seems to me a reasonable statement, because, for something like 2000 years, most people have understood that noun to imply that belief.