"No" To Condom In Schools

[KitKatMatt]

A good article on the subject.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/08/sex-education-requirement-maps_n_5111835.html

Once again, Texas leads the way in ignorance in every map.

One day I would like to be able to say "Welcome to Texas" in threads without sarcasm.

 

[Cimorene]

the problem is alot of sex education isn't just no education, it's negative education, alot of lies and such.

And the problem is a sexulized world, the problem is that the age at wich kids hit puberty is lower, while the age they are supposed to get married and have sex acording to some people is getting older. Absitnence is something kids should strive for, but we need to get rid of this childish mentality of, "If we don't tell them about sex they won't have it." funny how the states that follow the mentality of the OP have the highest teen pregnancies and rates of STD's, while states that have proper education don't.

I'm so sick of this childish morality that becomes imorality because instead of equipping kids with the lessons they need we want to shelter them and just expect the world to go along with that.

You know I think you're right. The way I found out about this forum is bc a friend who is here wrote this paper for her agnotology class about the history of creationism. It won this big award so ppl were talking about on Fb. That's when I learned that there's fake education. Not just about that but about all kinds of things. I learned about fake education about vaccines too. I hadn't known there was fake education about sex but it makes sense to me that there is. That's really sad. It's really cruel and unfair you know, to teach kids things that aren't true. They'll think they know about something but they don't, and they can get hurt.

 

[loveofourlord]

You know I think you're right. The way I found out about this forum is bc a friend who is here wrote this paper for her agnotology class about the history of creationism. It won this big award so ppl were talking about on Fb. That's when I learned that there's fake education. Not just about that but about all kinds of things. I learned about fake education about vaccines too. I hadn't known there was fake education about sex but it makes sense to me that there is. That's really sad. It's really cruel and unfair you know, to teach kids things that aren't true. They'll think they know about something but they don't, and they can get hurt.

yeah, there is some scary things, now alot of the stuff mentioned here isn't in classes thankfully, it's just if you don't teach your kids at home/school it's going to get a back alley education.

But there is alot of nonsense, birth control, contraceptives are never mentioned unless to say stuff like, "Use these and you will die." that condoms have 100% failure rates, among other things, because people believe it's better to lie to kids.

It reminds me alot of the drug lies, if you tell your kid one lie, "Pot is as bad as LSD. or crack *and yes this has been argued by the guys deciding these things in goverment* then when kids find out pot isn't bad, they think you lied about the rest. Same with sex, and it creates problems, abstinence is 99.99999999999999999999999% effective if used, problem is it has a high failure rate to be adopted.

It's like saying, circuses shouldn't use saftey nets as it leads to more dangerous stunts, so when it fails there is no protection.

 

[Julie.S]

Students are not supposed to be given condoms in schools. Students are not going to school to learn how to have sex, schools were created to educate students, to prepare them for work. Students are not ready for sex. Contrary to popular belief not all students are having sex. The reason why more teens are becoming sexually active is because of the prevalence of sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies. Pornography especially is one of the biggest problems in this world that needs to be stopped.


Thwaites says no to condoms in schools

Ummm I want kids to learn what sex leads to. I want kids to know the consequences of what can happen if you do have unprotected sex and the diseases that are out there. This is for their safety and parents need to teach them this also not just schools.

 

[Julie.S]

The problem is most guys won't use them. Girls think it can't happen to me. We live in a highly sexualized world.

This is also true. The world is sexualized more then it once was.

 

[Murby]

It reminds me alot of the drug lies, if you tell your kid one lie, "Pot is as bad as LSD. or crack *and yes this has been argued by the guys deciding these things in goverment* then when kids find out pot isn't bad, they think you lied about the rest. Same with sex, and it creates problems, abstinence is 99.99999999999999999999999% effective if used, problem is it has a high failure rate to be adapted.

Yup.. I don't lie to my young child about anything.. Not even who brought the gifts under the tree...
If I'm asked about something that isn't age appropriate, I just cleverly change the subject.. But never lie...

 

[RedPonyDriver]

My parents did that whole scare tactic thing...but they were Latino immigrants who were raised in a culture that just didn't talk about sex...period. It didn't work on us. At ALL. Fortunately, we were all smart enough to figure out the whole birth-control thing. None of us were virgins by the time we graduated high school...but because we were smart enough to get the proper information, there were no teen pregnancies, just lots of sex. I was single until I was 34 and I can guarantee you I was not a virgin on my wedding night...

 

[KitKatMatt]

My parents did that whole scare tactic thing...but they were Latino immigrants who were raised in a culture that just didn't talk about sex...period. It didn't work on us. At ALL. Fortunately, we were all smart enough to figure out the whole birth-control thing. None of us were virgins by the time we graduated high school...but because we were smart enough to get the proper information, there were no teen pregnancies, just lots of sex. I was single until I was 34 and I can guarantee you I was not a virgin on my wedding night...

I'm glad you were able to get the information you needed! This is why it's so important. I was never given a sex talk at all by my grandparents, so I had absolutely nothing with them and my school combined.

 

[iluvatar5150]

I'm super surprised because Boston and Pittsburgh aren't backwards. They're really progressive. They have some terrific schools. At least I know Boston does bc my cousin lives there. That's awful it was known as heroin high. I can't imagine using heroin. At any age but especially as a teen. How do they even get that stuff? That's super hard core stuff.

There's Boston proper and then there's the Boston area. Get 1/2 hour north or south of the city and things get low-brow pretty quickly. Lots of opiate problems around there, too.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

I think STD transmission and teen pregnancy would drop significantly if some didn't object on religious grounds to sex education classes in public school. The argument being that such instruction will actually make kids want to have sex once they learn the particulars.
I think that naive and this propagated by people who forgot what it felt like to be a walking hormone when they were kids.

Better to teach a child how to be safe than to bury a child who died of ignorance about what can kill them when they're young and frisky.

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

The problem is most guys won't use them. Girls think it can't happen to me. We live in a highly sexualized world.

Some woman don't like condoms. That might be why.

 

[Nithavela]

Remember kids, wear your socks.

(Although I'm more of a stockings guy, myself)

 

[trunks2k]

I think STD transmission and teen pregnancy would drop significantly if some didn't object on religious grounds to sex education classes in public school.

And just to be clear, teen pregnancy (and, afaik, STD) rates have been dropping steadily since the early 90s. In '92 there were roughly 60 pregnancies per 1000 teens, there's now about 24. So for all the freaking out people do about teens having babies, things have been getting remarkably better (same goes with violent crime).

Of course, states with no required comprehensive sex education have higher teen pregnancy rates than those that do.

 

[Tallguy88]

Meanwhile, back in the 1980s, in my bible belt state, sex ed was covered in middle school, it was rehashed again in freshman health class, and everyone got the separate boys and girls puberty talk in the fifth grade.

Same, in Arkansas. We got the "how stuff works" class in 5th grade, and the "consequences of doing stuff" class in the 9th grade health class. This was in the late 90s and early 2000s.

 

[ChristsSoldier115]

Students are not supposed to be given condoms in schools. Students are not going to school to learn how to have sex, schools were created to educate students, to prepare them for work. Students are not ready for sex. Contrary to popular belief not all students are having sex. The reason why more teens are becoming sexually active is because of the prevalence of sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies. Pornography especially is one of the biggest problems in this world that needs to be stopped.


Thwaites says no to condoms in schools

Whenever the government mandates stupid laws or policies that force people to do stuff or learn about stuff, it s because people aren't doing it themselves beforehand in their own homes, and then it grows to become a problem, and the government has to step in to 'fix" it.

 

[SnowyMacie]

Students are not going to school to learn how to have sex, schools were created to educate students, to prepare them for work.

You can't really learn "how to have sex", it's actually pretty instinctual. However, learning how to prevent STDs, pregnancies, etc. is incredibly important to prepare them to live in the world. The statistics overwhelmingly show that comprehensive sex education lowers teen pregnancy rates, STD rates, etc.

Students are not ready for sex. Contrary to popular belief not all students are having sex.

No, not all students are having sex, but many of them are having sex considering they are post-pubescent humans with sexual attraction.

The reason why more teens are becoming sexually active is because of the prevalence of sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies. Pornography especially is one of the biggest problems in this world that needs to be stopped.

In the 70s it was rock music, in the 60s it was the hippies, before that it was dancing. Teens are sexually active because their bodies are sexually active, not because of society.

 

[farout]

I think STD transmission and teen pregnancy would drop significantly if some didn't object on religious grounds to sex education classes in public school. The argument being that such instruction will actually make kids want to have sex once they learn the particulars.
I think that naive and this propagated by people who forgot what it felt like to be a walking hormone when they were kids.

Better to teach a child how to be safe than to bury a child who died of ignorance about what can kill them when they're young and frisky.

The objections are not always the "religious" people. The problem is what the kids are taught. In a mixed class sex ed it taught and this objection is NOT just by so called religious people. There is still some issues that men need to teach young men and women to young women. This allows for those present in class to ask open questions that other wise will not be brought out. But it is easier to blame people with more strict moral values for the programs short comings.

 

[Tiny Bible]

Some woman don't like condoms. That might be why.

Same question pertains to the men who say the same thing. They don't like condoms. "Do you like STD's, the life countdown to the day you die of the AIDS virus you contracted sexing bareback, or becoming a parent way before you want to?"

 

[Dave-W]

This. But I've never heard of students being given condoms in HS. In college yes but not HS. That would be so awkward to get a condom from your teacher.

I have. It was done quite regularly back in the '90s.

 

[Dave-W]

Um no most HS girls are totally aware that they can get pregnant from having sex, even just the 1st time, even during your period. If they don't know that then there were some serious gaps in their education.

That is good.

Do they also tell you that just getting a guy's "stuff" anywhere near your vital organs can ALSO result in pregnancy?
That was the story told to me of my own genesis. (thanks mom - WAAAAAYYYYYYY tmi......)