"No" To Condom In Schools

[Dave-W]

I was in high school just three years ago, and did. There was a rumor going around school the year I graduated that drinking a cup of mountain dew before you had sex would stop you from getting pregnant...

Really? How was that supposed to work?

Back in the "old school" days (1950s-1970s) they used Coke; and you definitely did NOT drink it .....

That did not work either.

 

[SnowyMacie]

I think the craziest one I was ever told was that you can get pregnant from oral.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

The objections are not always the "religious" people. The problem is what the kids are taught. In a mixed class sex ed it taught and this objection is NOT just by so called religious people. There is still some issues that men need to teach young men and women to young women. This allows for those present in class to ask open questions that other wise will not be brought out. But it is easier to blame people with more strict moral values for the programs short comings.

I think any time sex education for children in a public school setting is forbidden there is already a shortcoming in the entire sphere.
School insures children who's parents are not open to educating them about personal care matters shall be. Regardless of the family's belief about religion.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

And just to be clear, teen pregnancy (and, afaik, STD) rates have been dropping steadily since the early 90s. In '92 there were roughly 60 pregnancies per 1000 teens, there's now about 24. So for all the freaking out people do about teens having babies, things have been getting remarkably better (same goes with violent crime).

Good to know there's a drop in both areas.

Of course, states with no required comprehensive sex education have higher teen pregnancy rates than those that do.

Do you or does anyone here know where a table can be found that would show those statistics?

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

I think the craziest one I was ever told was that you can get pregnant from oral.

There's a visual.

Most shocking acting out of sexuality among children and their peers was when it was reported young women and their boy partners were caught by a bus driver in that very act you mention.

At that time the color accessories sold to girls, like color rubber bangle bracelets, colored lipsticks, were all color signals as to the degrees of their virtue or lack thereof. This young women I mention was shall we say making a rainbow on a stick amid all the boy participants.

They were in junior high.There's a call no parent wants.

 

[trunks2k]

Do you or does anyone here know where a table can be found that would show those statistics?

This article goes over some of the stats.
http://mic.com/articles/98886/the-s...rth-rates-have-one-thing-in-common#.vKCGIOOY0

 

[CRAZY_CAT_WOMAN]

Same question pertains to the men who say the same thing. They don't like condoms. "Do you like STD's, the life countdown to the day you die of the AIDS virus you contracted sexing bareback, or becoming a parent way before you want to?"

That's what birth control pills and abortions are for. I guess HIV pills are very easy to get now. I didn't say I didn't believe in condoms. I just know a few woman, that wont allow a men to wear them. Because they cant get the smell of the condoms out. Or some reason. Men need to be smarter and run from woman like this. But they don't seem to care.

 

[MoonofIsaiah]

This article goes over some of the stats.
http://mic.com/articles/98886/the-s...rth-rates-have-one-thing-in-common#.vKCGIOOY0

Thank you for posting that.

 

[Dave-W]

Students are not supposed to be given condoms in schools. Students are not going to school to learn how to have sex, schools were created to educate students, to prepare them for work. Students are not ready for sex. Contrary to popular belief not all students are having sex. The reason why more teens are becoming sexually active is because of the prevalence of sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies. Pornography especially is one of the biggest problems in this world that needs to be stopped.

Where to start, where to start????

"Students are not going to school to learn how to have sex, schools were created to educate students, to prepare them for work."

There is an age old debate on the purpose of education. There are 2 main sides in this debate: the Liberal Arts approach; (learn for learning's sake) and the Trade School approach. (learn only for a job) IMO a good approach is a combination of the 2.

" The reason why more teens are becoming sexually active is because of the prevalence of sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies."

I see you leave hormones completely out of the picture. That is short sighted and ignorant. I would submit that the hormones are what produce the appetite for those other things you name. If you do not understand the hormonal drive for sex, you will never be able to properly deal with the issue. It is not the porn that ignites the desires; rather the hormones ignite the desires and the songs, movies porn etc are expressions of that desire. Getting rid of porn is just treating a symptom rather than treating the disease.

 

[Oafman]

"No" to condoms in schools!

"Yes" to teenage pregnancy!

"Yes" to venereal disease!

 

[KitKatMatt]

"No" to condoms in schools!

"Yes" to teenage pregnancy!

"Yes" to venereal disease!

You know what's adorable? Children having children. It's like, double the kids! So cute!

 

[Tallguy88]

There's two big problems that lead to premarital sex and teen pregnancy.

1. People are hitting puberty younger than in the past, due to societal affluence (food abundance specifically).

2. The age of adulthood has been raised higher than was historically considered to be the case.

So people are hitting puberty sooner and getting married later. That leaves quite a large gap in years where a person wants sex, but cannot get it in a socially acceptable (or even legal, in some cases) way.

Using a condom doesn't fix either issue, though it can help reduce the consequences of the problem. It's good and vigilant parenting that is required to really stop teens from having sex.

 

[Ada Lovelace]

Students are not supposed to be given condoms in schools. Students are not going to school to learn how to have sex, schools were created to educate students, to prepare them for work. Students are not ready for sex. Contrary to popular belief not all students are having sex. The reason why more teens are becoming sexually active is because of the prevalence of sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies. Pornography especially is one of the biggest problems in this world that needs to be stopped.


Thwaites says no to condoms in schools

For millennia before the advent of modern media teenagers were having sex, because it is a primal function for post-pubescents. The desires for sex are innate. They self-activate biologically during puberty, and have been consistent throughout humanity as the external influences such as what is considered to be socially normative, and the media have changed. In areas of the modern world where life is still lived in a more primitive way, oftentimes without stable electricity or access to the "sexual songs, pornography, and adult shows and movies" that you're referencing, teens are having sex. It's why the teen fertility rates for Niger, Mali, Sierra Leone, Chad, Uganda, and El Salvador are substantially higher than in the United States. Many are getting pregnant, when they ill equipped to handle the responsibilities of parenthood. A tragic number of boys and girls are getting STDs, in significant part because of ignorance about how they are transmitted. The lack of widespread availability of the HPV vaccine in some of the most impoverished countries with the highest fertility rates also deals another blow.

The countries with the lowest adolescent fertility rates are industrialized, with the majority of teens having access to all that you've listed here. S. Korea has the lowest in the world, with Scandinavian countries, Japan, Hong Kong, and Singapore also having low rates. They also have very high education standards, which is diametric to the countries with the highest fertility rates.
Edit to add in a link backing up what I've stated: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator...api_data_value+wbapi_data_value-last&sort=asc

Contrary to what you've stated here, American teens today are actually less sexually active than a generation ago.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-american-teenagers-are-having-much-less-sex/

Some excerpts:

The sex life of the American teenager is apparently far less busy than it was in generations past.

Less than half of teens older than 14 said they’ve had intercourse, a sharp drop from rates in the '80s, a new CDC study found. The majority of those who do choose to become sexually active are using some form of protection.

Crotchety adults may joke: Maybe they’re too busy messing with their iPhones.

That’s actually a decent theory, said Dr. Brooke Bokor, an Adolescent Medicine Specialist at the Children's National Health System. More teenagers than ever have smartphones, including those with no traditional computers at home. Many are more comfortable searching in private for credible information about sexual health, she said. They could be better educated about the risks -- and more mentally prepared before that first heated moment ever comes.

“They’re looking on the web,” Bokor said. “They’re looking for guidance from parents, guardians and physicians. They can and will make positive decisions for their own health, both sexual and otherwise. We really need to be prepared to treat our youth and young adults as educated consumers.”

This part discusses the HPV vaccine's influence on teens:

Another possible driver of the sexual slowdown is the growing popularity of the HPV vaccine, which is now widely offered to boys and girls as young as 11. The shots, of course, come with an educational conversation. Kids learn earlier about the prevalence of STIs and how they're spread.

(Contrary to some parents' worries, research shows the advent of Gardisil did not spark an upswing of sexual recklessness among tweens.)

"They learn from doctors that you can catch HPV even if you use a condom," Bokor said, emphasizing some common conditions spread through skin-to-skin contact. "They might think: How else can I stay healthy?"

On a related note: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/22/h...ced-hpv-in-teenage-girls-study-says.html?_r=0

In regards to the use of condoms by teens who are sexually active:

The majority of kids these days use some form of contraception, the CDC data shows. The use of emergency contraception -- like the Plan B pill -- for teen girls grew from 8 percent in 2002 to 22 percent in 2013.

But teenagers still aren’t using the most effective forms of contraception: 97 percent of teen girls opt for condoms over birth control pills and the IUD.

Girls who reported using some form of protection during their first sexual encounter were half as likely to become teen moms than those who did not, the CDC reported.

That suggests birth control has played a key role in curbing teen parenthood. Births to girls 15 to 19 plunged from 84 per 1,000 teens in 1991 t0 26 in 2013.

 

[keith99]

Well, it wasn't Pittsburgh per se, but an area about an hour south of Pittsburgh that is considerably more conservative.

When the gay-straight alliance was founded, a group of students tried to create an anti-gay club, so it wasn't the most progressive of places, heh.

It would not surprise me if there is somewhere in Pittsburg where the expression 'The wrong side of the tracks' fits in a near black and white manner, where the train tracks are a dividing line between wealth and poverty and where the prospects and politics are as different as night and day.

 

[The Cadet]

Students are not ready for sex.

Well shoot, guess it sure is a good thing that if we don't give them condoms, there's no way they'll ever have that sex they aren't ready for!

So people are hitting puberty sooner and getting married later. That leaves quite a large gap in years where a person wants sex, but cannot get it in a socially acceptable (or even legal, in some cases) way.

In Germany, we've found a way around that: we consider it socially acceptable for young adults to bone. This solution has two major consequences:
1. It removes the stigma surrounding sex and sex ed, and ensures that people can have sex when they are ready with all the necessary tools
2. It makes teenagers a lot less obsessed with sex, because it lacks the extreme taboo it has in your culture, and is a lot less insane or risky to do.

Using a condom doesn't fix either issue, though it can help reduce the consequences of the problem. It's good and vigilant parenting that is required to really stop teens from having sex.

Or, or, or you could avoid having to bind a shock collar around your children, trust their judgment for once, and accept that sex is a thing that happens and there's nothing inherently wrong with it if done safely, sanely, and consensually. This squeamishness towards sex, this treatment of something so fundamentally natural and human as though it was a huge taboo that we cannot encourage (or even prepare people for, despite knowing full well that it's going to happen and that not preparing them makes everything way worse), is a large part of the reason that sex and sexuality are so messed up in the USA.

Or, barring that, if you really insist, may I recommend a chastity belt? Absolutely no chance of premarital sex, and as an added bonus, masturbation is pretty difficult as well. It's pretty much the only thing that has a snowflake's chance of working, anyways.

 

[KitKatMatt]

It's good and vigilant parenting that is required to really stop teens from having sex.

Emph added.
Good luck with that...

 

[nightflight]

Are these schools also going to instruct on getting consent for each step of the encounter like some colleges now do?

 

[heliumskylark]

Um no most HS girls are totally aware that they can get pregnant from having sex, even just the 1st time, even during your period. If they don't know that then there were some serious gaps in their education.

Absolutely not. I work in maternity and women's sexual health. Girls (even grown women) come in all the time thinking they can't be pregnant because the guy pulled out, or because their app told them they weren't ovulating at that time, or because they douched afterwards. It's not so much that they don't think it's physically possible; it's that they think the odds are so low that it couldn't possibly happen to them.
Aside from pregnancy, though, condoms are the most effective way of protecting against STDs. Without effective sex ed classes, many women won't know that genital HPV can lead to cervical cancer. Men and women won't know that herpes can hide, symptomless, in your system, then crop up years after you're married and ruin your marriage. They'll keep believing that you can't contract an STD if your partner is a virgin, or that it's safe to use oil as a lubricant. Girls won't know that there's an option to use a female condom if their partner doesn't want to wear a male condom.
People make the argument that it's the responsibility of parents to teach these things, but some of the issues that we're seeing now didn't exist or weren't known about 20 years ago, so parents of teens won't necessarily even be aware of them. And condoms certainly aren't the answer to all these issues, but they're an important part of the answer.

 

[Tallguy88]

Well shoot, guess it sure is a good thing that if we don't give them condoms, there's no way they'll ever have that sex they aren't ready for!



In Germany, we've found a way around that: we consider it socially acceptable for young adults to bone. This solution has two major consequences:
1. It removes the stigma surrounding sex and sex ed, and ensures that people can have sex when they are ready with all the necessary tools
2. It makes teenagers a lot less obsessed with sex, because it lacks the extreme taboo it has in your culture, and is a lot less insane or risky to do.



Or, or, or you could avoid having to bind a shock collar around your children, trust their judgment for once, and accept that sex is a thing that happens and there's nothing inherently wrong with it if done safely, sanely, and consensually. This squeamishness towards sex, this treatment of something so fundamentally natural and human as though it was a huge taboo that we cannot encourage (or even prepare people for, despite knowing full well that it's going to happen and that not preparing them makes everything way worse), is a large part of the reason that sex and sexuality are so messed up in the USA.

Or, barring that, if you really insist, may I recommend a chastity belt? Absolutely no chance of premarital sex, and as an added bonus, masturbation is pretty difficult as well. It's pretty much the only thing that has a snowflake's chance of working, anyways.

Premarital sex may not be promoted on CF.

Promotion is defined as encouragement of the progress, growth, or acceptance of something including advertising and publicity.

 

[The Cadet]

Premarital sex may not be promoted on CF.

My bad, I'll avoid promoting it then.

Without effective sex ed classes, many women won't know that genital HPV can lead to cervical cancer.

...Not to mention that a whole bunch of morons oppose the HPV vaccine because of this same absurd sexual taboo - "We can't protect our children from a life-threatening STD, that'll encourage them to have sex!"