No Time, No Age.

[Loudmouth]

"...for us physicists believe the separation between past, present, and future is only an illusion, although a convincing one." Einstein

Whose the liar?

You said time is an illusion. That is not what Einstein said. Einstein is saying that simultaneity is an illusion.

 

[Loudmouth]

Evidence? Evidence by mere mortal men who think they know more then God.

You think you are God?

 

[ScottA]

You said time is an illusion. That is not what Einstein said. Einstein is saying that simultaneity is an illusion.

Is that your "interpretation?" ...Right!

 

[Loudmouth]

Is that your "interpretation?" ...Right!

It is what relativity is all about. You can't even do the simple math involved with relativity.

 

[pakicetus]

Evidence? Evidence by mere mortal men who think they know more then God. Such an old excuse. And some of the things you say now will be changed again 10 years from now when scientists say they had some things wrong yet again. Remember, science said the sun revolved around us, the earth was flat....etc. I know my side and nothing a mere mortal can say will change that. In other words some scientists have an IQ of lets say 160. God has an IQ of lets say 1,000,000,000. Who should I believe? The 160 guy or the God with 1 billion.

God told me you should believe the scientists.

 

[SkyWriting]

Where have you got the idea that science says that time is an illusion?

"There Is No Such Thing As Time" | Popular Science
Is Time an Illusion? - Scientific American
The Unreality of Time - Physics Central
Are Space And Time An Illusion? | IFLScience
The Grand Illusion | Lapham's Quarterly

 

[MerlinJ]

Physics isn't really my thing, but if by "time is an illusion," you mean; "there is no absolute universal clock," then yes, that would appear to be correct. It's called special relativity. The classic directly observable example is the time dilation between clocks on earth, and clocks in orbit. GPS satellites have to factor this in to be accurate.

edit: Reading more of the thread, it seems you're saying that SR means there's no time at all. That's plain wrong.

 

[Davian]

How does science stand its ground on the age of the universe, when science cannot agree that Time is anything but an illusion?

"There Is No Such Thing As Time" | Popular Science

The OP seems imply that there is some sort of consensus ("...science cannot agree...") to this issue with time, yet when I read this article I see that it says that what it refers to "is the most radical of all solutions". Your link undermines the OP.

Did you actually read these articles or did you simply cut and paste the titles from Google?

Is Time an Illusion? - Scientific American
The Unreality of Time - Physics Central
Are Space And Time An Illusion? | IFLScience
The Grand Illusion | Lapham's Quarterly

 

[SkyWriting]

The OP seems imply that there is some sort of consensus ("...science cannot agree...") to this issue with time, yet when I read this article I see that it says that what it refers to "is the most radical of all solutions". Your link undermines the OP.

I read all five articles. Did they all agree it was "the most radical of all solutions"?

 

[ViaCrucis]

"Tide comes in, tide goes out, you can't explain that."

Stoopid sciencetists

-CryptoLutheran

 

[SkyWriting]

The OP seems imply that there is some sort of consensus
("...science cannot agree...") to this issue with time,

In what way does your quote indicate consensus?

 

[Jimmy D]

Ironically non-believers talk about how the bible is flawed and science knows the truth. But every generation of scientists says that. Scientist from 10 years ago had differing views. And 10 years before that, different views. So if science is constantly changing its views on whats correct, why would I want to listen to them? Especially when the bible says what is correct and never changes? This is why I say humans are no way smart enough, nor will they ever be smart enough to know everything. Like if they can prove God is/is not real. Its impossible to. They would have to have checked every inch of space, beyond the "edge" of the universe (as they say). in every planet, in every black hole... then we get into checking every dimension and so on. Until they do that they cannot say God does not exist. And they never will be able to because we are, compared to God, simple minded people.

Hear, hear.

Let's all revel in our ignorance, lurning stuff is for idiots.

 

[Hieronymus]

There is no timeline, only a storyline.

But a story moves along a timespan, which is a part of the timeline.

 

[durangodawood]

There must be a thousand places in the Bible that reference time, or require time to make sense.
Seems pretty adventurous for a Christian to deny time.

 

[AlexDTX]

There is no timeline, only a storyline. Time is an illusion. Matter is mere energy, a creation, that is passing away. And if we are of God...then we are greater than the world. Psalm 8:4

I see I am responding early in the dialogue, so if what I say is repeating someone else, forgive me. I concur that God is the first reality, but to think that the creation and time are illusory misunderstands the power of God. This sounds like you assume that we are all nothing more than his imagination. But the power of God is to give life that is separate from Him and to create a creation that is separate from Him that exists in reality.

God created time as part of the creation. Genesis 1 says that the stars, sun and moon were created for times and seasons. I believe that even though Christ was foreordained to be crucified before the foundation of the world, God did not know if Christ had to be crucified. There is a reason that the Bible also says that Christ was crucified from the foundation of the world. In other words, until the actual choice of Adam and Eve was made in the garden, God did not know if the crucifixion had to happen. Once that choice was made in reality, then He knew Christ had to die.

I believe this is another reason Christians tend to be passive in their walks with Christ. They assume that since God knows everything, then he has everything foreordained in their lives. This is not true. God knows every possibility, but he does not know our ultimate choices until we actually make them.

Time and creation are reality, not an illusion.

 

[Reasoning]

Evidence? Evidence by mere mortal men who think they know more then God. Such an old excuse. And some of the things you say now will be changed again 10 years from now when scientists say they had some things wrong yet again. Remember, science said the sun revolved around us, the earth was flat....etc. I know my side and nothing a mere mortal can say will change that. In other words some scientists have an IQ of lets say 160. God has an IQ of lets say 1,000,000,000. Who should I believe? The 160 guy or the God with 1 billion.

Oh that's interesting, I would love to see your breakdown of God's IQ, since that would involve his actual age. I'll be waiting.

It's sad you a priori say that your mind cannot be changed, something I consider the basis of ignorance and being and staying an unintelligent person. Science has been wrong sometimes, yes, but it changes, adapts and moves on. It is in any case the most likely explanation. By the way, I do not hear you explaining how someone can walk on water, how you can turn water in wine, magically have fish appear etc.

 

[Davian]

I read all five articles. Did they all agree it was "the most radical of all solutions"?

I doubt it. Why do you ask? Were they all intended to undermine the OP?

 

[Larniavc]

No, no, I took his word for the math he did. But the math I did was simply to put his findings together with the truth of God. I'm a wiz like that.

So you did not do the maths.

In fact you lied about doing the maths.

 

[Davian]

In what way does your quote indicate consensus?

His application of the verb 'agree' to the word 'science', as if 'science', on the whole, is in agreement with his claim.

Why doesn't the OP substantiate his position?

 

[HitchSlap]

Is that your "interpretation?" ...Right!

There were times I had my doubts, but now I'm convinced.