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No Such Thing as Atheism.

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Fallen man may only talk about the world and fallen things, that's why science is great regarding medicine, or technology, but regarding everything else it is required faith and God. To me, those scientists trying to find things that are clearly beyond their human possibilities is for me just blind men trying to go against a wall. I do not know when will you stop mentioning the Bible because my knowledge and the Orthodox knowledge doesn't come only from the Holy Scripture, but mostly from the Holy Tradition, so stop telling me things about the "Bible", something you did not read and of course you would not understand anyway because I am not telling you things from the "Bible".
I think you will find it's "Men who can see trying to find an invisible wall."
paulm, I understand you do not have the enough preparation, actually you have any, for interpreting the Bible and your ignorance is what is talking because you have clearly a poor culture, not you, so please stop teaching me things about the Bible because you don't know anything about it, for me you are like a carpenter teaching me neuroscience.
True, I can only see what's there.

When people tell me to believe something that isn't there and the bible tells me stories that aren't true. People twist the words of Jesus in the bible. I can only conclude, given the evidence from the history of churches linking themselves to despotic rulers who kept ordinary folk in serfdom for the benefit of the church and rulers.

That a lot of what a poor Jewish carpenter, walking and preaching in Palestine, said and was executed for trying to break the hold of a similar money making religion. Has been twisted to the benefit of men who drape themselves in fine robes, and telling everyone they know more than those who question them.

I will refrain from throwing personal insults, it's unChristian.
 
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Fallen man may only talk about the world and fallen things, that's why science is great regarding medicine, or technology, but regarding everything else it is required faith and God. To me, those scientists trying to find things that are clearly beyond their human possibilities is for me just blind men trying to go against a wall.
You might not be curious enough about the real answer, but don't disparage those who are.
 
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An answer you think you have.
That's not fair. He's more certain of his answers than any scientist or you and me, Scientists and us ask questions that are hard to answer, that we are still looking for the answers. Wryetui has a book that gives him all the answers, he never questions them, for him they are all he needs.

This follows 1,000s of years of tradition in all the religions. They give all the answers anyone needs. They may all end up giving different answers, his church gives different ones from others, but that doesn't shake his certainty his answers right and everyone else is blind.
 
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Think everything we want to understand requires logic and reason, otherwise we are just pee-ing into the wind with our imagination.

Belief is how we run our life. Having faith that our bus will be at the stop,
tht we will still have a job come Monday, that the sun will rise tomorrow.
These are 'True beliefs' but do not always come true as we know.

Then there is something called 'false beliefs'
and I put some atheists and other adherents in this category.
False beliefs tend to be mixed in with true beliefs to make them more
plausible. EG. My bus will be at the stop, the sun will rise tomorrow AND
JC might come with rapture and take me under his wing for eternity.
Or I will have a job tomorrow and there is no God!

Then this is all auto reinforced, programmed and rebanked overnight which perpetuates and strengthens the belief as does every religious prayer, hymn, affirmation conversation etc. A maintenace of the trance. (the trances we live). It becomes word.

If we went for a walk in any atheists' mind, to the impression memory where
beliefs about this and that are stored, we would find that there would be a file marked 'beliefs about God. I mean, Who has not thought about a creator?
To say so would be a lie. If you have an open file with contents you have a belief set in god wether in the positive negative sense or what ever.
To say you have no belief set would be dishonest.

The file is set up in the impression memory, and not the factual files
(since no one has met God in conscious mind language I know of).
This means it is part of a believers/non believers attitude or opinion...
which is their imagination.The imagination and will trick us into thinking
we do not have a belief when we probably have many billions of trillions of bits of information stored on that very subject

Skeptics will argue some BS about we cannot prove a no belief but do they really hold that position? Why shouldnIbelieve them when I share the same biology and mindset. So that I am not so easily thrown off the trail scent of all Atheist causation.

Our mind being the false, can present whatever view it likes as word to the observer. We are not party to the internal muse that underlies this position.
We each have a dual honesty and within limits it is permitted as our falseness
which the mind must balance with sincerity in being human with all the complexities of humanity.

Few atheists would be stupid enpugh to consider that there was no causasion in the universe or cosmology The causation they internally hold, becomes the creator or God. Thus a poor discrimination (lack of knowledge) of nature would provide a poor estimation of the creator (if an atheist had one.)
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Summary about theists real reasons, any of these could be apply
1. Anti Judist, Christian or Muslim semitism taken as pa protest.
2. Have not comprehended that one cannot NOT have a view about God
if they have been discussing it.
Here atheists are logically and rationally assigned one regardless as a
collective God as default for the people who think they do not believe in
Gods.
The God of the atheist mind is the God of Absolute Materialism.
3. Some side with science as a high ground debating starting point,
while not needing to know anything much of science. Just that
the 'G' word would seem to be outside the mandate of science so can easily
be defended in layman's debates.
4 Insincerity. where one beief is held at public or at work and another
practised behind closed doors. EG a paid clergy who is really an atheist
or a paid astrophysicist who is Muslim = paid yay or nay sayers.
5. In trance where someone can hold two opposing veiws at the same time.
6. From Phobia or Previous life negative experience.
&. ??
I think this is true and them spending all their time on christian lists and even spending their time copy and mocking it on other sites is proof they don't believe what they say they believe. because who are they trying to convince but themselves?
but to spend so much time time on this site proves they are either profoundly and militantly hateful and not in anyway
"liberal" so by their actions of their true values even that they mock that word by being on these sites spreading their militant lack of " tolerance " . it is all just one huge militant hypocrisy that they mock everything and all creation and all history and true science. what a stinky joke.
 
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I think this is true and them spending all their time on christian lists and even spending their time copy and mocking it on other sites is proof they don't believe what they say they believe. because who are they trying to convince but themselves?
but to spend so much time time on this site proves they are either profoundly and militantly hateful and not in anyway
"liberal" so by their actions of their true values even that they mock that word by being on these sites spreading their militant lack of " tolerance " . it is all just one huge militant hypocrisy that they mock everything and all creation and all history and true science. what a stinky joke.
We are trying to counter the argument that Stone and Bronze Age men who started so many religions that are so wrong. Are right.

Even modern day Christians have dropped much of what the bible preaches. The group who want to go back to the letter of the book, are currently trying to tear the Middle East apart. Yes I understand there's is a false religion, they're doing it all wrong, etc. That's what all religions say about each other. I recently met some Christians, who claimed exactly that about other Christians sects.
 
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Yes I understand there's is a false religion, they're doing it all wrong, etc. That's what all religions say about each other.
so it is ok for Atheists preachin your brand of hate speech and that makes this it ok for you'all to be a hypocrite because of what you demand of us you don't do it , but you don't have to be "tolerant" and "Liberal" right ? so it is ok for you to be militant?
so good luck with that.
 
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so it is ok for Atheists preachin your brand of hate speech and that makes this it ok for you'all to be a hypocrite because of what you demand of us you don't do it , but you don't have to be "tolerant" and "Liberal" right ? so it is ok for you to be militant?
so good luck with that.

It's not hate speech. It's love speech.


eudaimonia,

Mark
 
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so it is ok for Atheists preachin your brand of hate speech and that makes this it ok for you'all to be a hypocrite because of what you demand of us you don't do it , but you don't have to be "tolerant" and "Liberal" right ? so it is ok for you to be militant?
so good luck with that.
We are trying to debate. That the bible might not be 100% true. Even Christians are prepared to admit that, they no longer kill or punish people as ordered in the bible. They have dropped the old Judaic laws, even though Jesus expressly said they're not to. Some churches have twisted them, common is the one on tithes and who should pay them.

My personal problems with organised religions is their lack of debate and the way they glorify themselves with building, garbs and wealth. While preaching the message of men who gave up worldly goods to spread the message. We arrived at a point, 100s of years ago, where Jesus was so enraged at the commercialism of the religion, he went into the Temple and upset everything.

A preacher needs nothing but a mount to spread his message.
 
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"That the bible might not be 100% true"

just in your dreams . the truth is it is perfect for what he intended..
to confuse the goofy who don't know what they don't know. and then refuse to ask him . it is perfect because he is perfect. .
 
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just in your dreams . the truth is it is perfect for what he intended..
to confuse the goofy who don't know what they don't know. and then refuse to ask him . it is perfect because he is perfect. .
Are you calling us Atheist goofy?
I was only talking to the christian who started this thread and why I agreed with him. so :oldthumbsup::wave:
my Lord doesn't like us debating with anyone. so :wave:
Then why get involved in a Philosophy forum?
 
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paulm, I understand you do not have the enough preparation, actually you have any, for interpreting the Bible and your ignorance is what is talking because you have clearly a poor culture, not you, so please stop teaching me things about the Bible because you don't know anything about it, for me you are like a carpenter teaching me neuroscience.
Neuroscientists that have a disagreement have tools such as scientific methodology that they can use to analyze and process their data. They can construct hypotheses, test, falsify, and have their experiments replicated (or not) by others.

Tell me about how religionists go about resolving differences of opinion about their many and varied, and often contradictory "holy" texts? Debate? Popular vote? Warfare?
 
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