No Point

[never_stop]

Back to topic, the homosexual movement was brilliant in their strategy of claiming their sexual behavior was out of their control. Even many Christians believe in 'sexual orientation.' No doubt this sexual orientation will be used to excuse cheaters since polygamy may be their orientation. The truth is, we are each responsible for what we do with ourselves and that includes abusers of themselves in sexual perversions. God is greater than any sin. Homosexuals, dispite what they may claim, are no further from God's ability to make them new then the average lying, prideful fool. We are all sinners, but we can be set free through the blood of Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Back to topic, the homosexual movement was brilliant in their strategy of claiming their sexual behavior was out of their control.

You talk like it's a coordinated conspiracy.

Even many Christians believe in 'sexual orientation.'

Since it is a valid psychological profile, I'd be surprised if anyone didn't believe in sexual orientation. Indeed, it is undeniable that each person is attracted to either males, females, both, neither, or some combination thereof: this is their sexual orientation.

No doubt this sexual orientation will be used to excuse cheaters since polygamy may be their orientation.

You are misusing the phrase. See above.

The truth is, we are each responsible for what we do with ourselves and that includes abusers of themselves in sexual perversions.

Sexual perversions? Do explain.

God is greater than any sin. Homosexuals, dispite what they may claim, are no further from God's ability to make them new then the average lying, prideful fool. We are all sinners, but we can be set free through the blood of Christ.

Quite.

 

[Ohioprof]

Back to topic, the homosexual movement was brilliant in their strategy of claiming their sexual behavior was out of their control. Even many Christians believe in 'sexual orientation.' No doubt this sexual orientation will be used to excuse cheaters since polygamy may be their orientation. The truth is, we are each responsible for what we do with ourselves and that includes abusers of themselves in sexual perversions. God is greater than any sin. Homosexuals, dispite what they may claim, are no further from God's ability to make them new then the average lying, prideful fool. We are all sinners, but we can be set free through the blood of Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Being gay is not a sexual perversion. If you don't believe in having same-sex sex, then don't have it. Just don't throw stones at gay people for sport, please.

 

[naotmaa]

Back to topic, the homosexual movement was brilliant in their strategy of claiming their sexual behavior was out of their control.

Ah no. I have never heard any gay person claim that their behaivor was out of their control. You must be thinking of attraction. That is out of our control.

Even many Christians believe in 'sexual orientation.' No doubt this sexual orientation will be used to excuse cheaters since polygamy may be their orientation.

Um no. Sexual orientation is what gender you are attracted to. Polygamy is not defined as a sexual orientation, since it isn't. Also a cheater has obviously done something wrong, so any excuse they make will get very little sympathy from most people.

The truth is, we are each responsible for what we do with ourselves and that includes abusers of themselves in sexual perversions

We are responsible for ourselves correct. But I do not consider homosexuality a 'perversion'.

God is greater than any sin. Homosexuals, dispite what they may claim, are no further from God's ability to make them new then the average lying, prideful fool. We are all sinners, but we can be set free through the blood of Christ.
1 Corinthians 6:11 And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Your opinion.

 

[tulc]

I don't see the debate here from the side of Christians.

...do you mean you don't understand how Christians can disagree with what you believe about being gay?

It is God who calls you and not the other way around.

Some people believe that, not everyone.

People who are called upon by the Lord intrinsically know that homosexuality is wrong and is a sin.

Ahhhh! The old "ALL TRUE CHRISTIANS AGREE WITH MY VIEW!" (tm) rears it's head!

I hear homosexuals here complain about being unhappy or fears about lonliness.

Really? Where was that?

Read the Bible. Sinning out of fear or for self-endulging is not Christianity.

...uhmmm Christians don't sin? Even non-gay Christians do things like that, does that mean they aren't Christians?

Hope this helps

Helps how?

and don't forget to get a medical check up.

You to.
tulc(needs more coffee)

 

[never_stop]

You talk like it's a coordinated conspiracy.


Since it is a valid psychological profile, I'd be surprised if anyone didn't believe in sexual orientation. Indeed, it is undeniable that each person is attracted to either males, females, both, neither, or some combination thereof: this is their sexual orientation.


You are misusing the phrase. See above.


Sexual perversions? Do explain.


Quite.

Well, it is coordinated, but not by God, the other guy. And it became a psychological profile when homosexual rights groups put pressure on psychiatric groups.
And what does "attracted to" mean? I find my mother attractive, am I guilty of incest? Homosexuals are people that have sexual relations with the same gender.

Ah no. I have never heard any gay person claim that their behaivor was out of their control. You must be thinking of attraction. That is out of our control.

Um no. Sexual orientation is what gender you are attracted to. Polygamy is not defined as a sexual orientation, since it isn't. Also a cheater has obviously done something wrong, so any excuse they make will get very little sympathy from most people.

We are responsible for ourselves correct. But I do not consider homosexuality a 'perversion'.

Your opinion.

Attraction doesn't make you gay. I find lots of hollywood stars attractive, of both genders. That doesn't make me bi. Gay means you have sex with the same gender. No redefining the word. And why are you against pologamy? You should be consistant and support sex between consenting adults even if they are (gasp) having sex with the opposite gender.

 

[naotmaa]

Attraction doesn't make you gay. I find lots of hollywood stars attractive, of both genders. That doesn't make me bi.

How do you define attraction? I know a handsome guy when I see him but that doesn't mean I will ever be physically or emotionally attracted to him.

Gay means you have sex with the same gender. No redefining the word.

I'm not the one redifining the word. You can look up the word in a dicitonary if you like. Homosexuality is a sexual orientation. It is what gender you are physically and emotionally attracted to. The gender of the person you most likely will spend your life with. The sex acts are neither here nor there.

And why are you against pologamy? You should be consistant and support sex between consenting adults even if they are (gasp) having sex with the opposite gender.

My response had nothing to do with me being for or against polygamy. If person whats to do it and everyone is consenting they can. But if I remember correctly you were saying that a person who cheats on his spouse could just claim that his sexual orientation was as a polygamist. I was disagreeing with claiming it was a sexual orientation. Not only because it isn't but because he was using it as an excuse for something he did wrong.

sexual orientation: n.
The direction of one's sexual interest toward members of the same, opposite, or both sexes.

 

[Wiccan_Child]

Well, it is coordinated, but not by God, the other guy. And it became a psychological profile when homosexual rights groups put pressure on psychiatric groups.

It was deemed an illness because of pressure from anti-gay groups. In any case, how does this affect it's status as a valid profile?

And what does "attracted to" mean?

Broadly speaking, it means one desires the other person. But of course, you may as well ask me to define love.

I find my mother attractive, am I guilty of incest?

No, because you are not attracted to your mother. Considering someone as attractive is not the same as being attracted to them yourself.
I consider many females to be attractive, some even stunningly beautiful, but I am not attracted to them. Hence, I am not straight. The converse is true for males, from my point of view.

It is not who you consider to be attracted, but who you are attracted to.

Homosexuals are people that have sexual relations with the same gender.

Sexual relations are irrelevant. If a man is raped by another man, is the former therefore gay?

Attraction doesn't make you gay. I find lots of hollywood stars attractive, of both genders. That doesn't make me bi.

Equivocation. As I explained above, 'attractive' and 'attracted to' are different things.

Gay means you have sex with the same gender. No redefining the word.

On the contrary, all standard definitions of 'gay' refer to homosexuality, which in turn is defined as the attraction to one's own sex.
Also note that there is a difference between 'gender' and 'sex'.

And why are you against pologamy? You should be consistant and support sex between consenting adults even if they are (gasp) having sex with the opposite gender.

Can you give any reason why polygamy is morally wrong?