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I think she might just be lazy and content, but if you are the man of your house, why do you not tell her that once a week at least you are going to spend an hour devouring her body before you even begin sex.
If you look at porn or are flirty with other women do not expect any favors or deep enjoymeny on her behalf.
Do you have kids? Are you only doing stuff after she is very tired out?
Maybe you need to start warming her up in the morning,continue it through day, without any demands on getting anything from it.
I don't know. She may have been molested or raised to think sex was bad.
 
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lancers900 said:
My wife and I have sex on a fairly regular basis, but there isn't any passion on her behalf. She usually just wants me to prepare her with a few minutes of foreplay and then have a quickie in the missionary position. Sometimes, she enjoys receiving oral sex, but never gives it. Also, she doesn't like kisses other than quick pecks on the lips, no long lengthy kissing.

Sounds like every guy's dream right? Just do it!

It isn't my dream though.

Shouldn't there be more passion and enjoyment to this? What should I do? She says that she enjoys our times together and doesn't want to change anything.

By the way we have been married 8 years and it has always been like this.
The more I look at your first post, the more I have a totally different take on it. Here's what I see. You have a wife with whom you frequently make love. You have a wife who says she enjoys making love to you. Those are two very positive things that many men wish they could say!! :thumbsup: However, you wish you had a wife who made love differently; more in a way that suits your idea of what lovemaking should be. :cry:

Yep, likely somewhere along the way as she was developing she learned/decided that sex was most meaningful and best when performed tenderly - the way she enjoys it. That way suits her idea of what lovemaking should be.

And somewhere along the way you learned/decided that sex was most (or at least sometimes) most meaningful and best when performed more animalistically - the way you enjoy it.

Based on what you've written, it seems to me what you have are two different expectations of what sex should be. That's all. Again, based on what you've written, I am in total disagreement with any statements that she may be lazy, manipulative, unloving, or in some way "broken".

Almost every couple has some difference in viewpoints of what is the most enjoyable way of making love. Your differences are farther apart than most it appears. So, I'd suggest doing what other successful couples do.

First, nobody has a right to make their partner do something they find repulsive or offensive. So regardless of what one person wants, if the other feels that way it's out of the game. Beyond that, if couples are loving each other the way the bible instructs, you will each be focusing on what the other needs and what makes the other know they are loved. I do agree you should talk to your wife about that. Make sure she knows how much you enjoy, value and appreciate the lovemaking you currently do. Then express specifically how you'd like to occassionaly spice things up. Do so in a way that builds her up, not tears her down and in a way that shows you are and will love her as the bible instructs.

Now, having said that you aren't going to change how she feels about sex. So, while you may be able to convince her to act more passionately for you, you will be setting yourself up for dissappointment if you expect her the quickly change and feel more passionate. Hopefully that would happen in time, but if so, that will come from her and not you.

And you need to make sure you appreciate and value the love she feels for you and the fact that she enjoys the time you spend making love. If you're sending her a message that her way of lovemaking is inadequate or wrong, you'll really have a problem.

Finally, always remember that God made each of us differently. Her different view of sex doesn't necessarily indicate anything is wrong, and it doesn't mean you aren't all of the man God intended for you to be. Use the differences as a way to grow closer together and to more fully show each other the love that comes from putting your spouse's needs ahead of your own.

God Bless.
 
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MIBoy - I'm not going to say that your anecdotal information isn't true, because it may be your wife was being abusive. I will say that if so, your story is very, very much the exception. I will also say I think addressing it head on would have been more productive than the passive approach you took. Hopefully you guys are happy and growing.
 
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WolfGate said:
MIBoy - I'm not going to say that your anecdotal information isn't true, because it may be your wife was being abusive. I will say that if so, your story is very, very much the exception. I will also say I think addressing it head on would have been more productive than the passive approach you took. Hopefully you guys are happy and growing.
Exception or rule it doesn't matter, the sit down and lets talk about it stuff was just a way to stall and find and make excuses. Pecking someone on the cheek for the "whole 8 years of marriage" isn't a difference in lovemaking that's how you kiss your sister, grandma etc.... the bottom line is, I wasn't going to let my marriage turn into an infinity episode of the Dr. Phil show. No your way is the passive approach, my way took self control, determination and mostly courage to not cave in and go back to the business as usual approach until Dr. Phil or whoever can figure out what's going on. I probably saved about 5 years of counseling and the good Lord only knows how much in the pocket book. And the one thing neither of us complained about from that point on was our sexual relationship. Yes my wife saw her selfishness with no help from Dr. Phil or whatever goofball therapist selling a book making a bundle on a bunch of suckers.
 
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First and foremost, as a man, I completely 199% DISAGREE with MIBOY. Do NOT follow this advice, as it is, IMHO, completely against the Word's directions for a good marriage.

That being said, there is a delicate balance that needs to be remembered when it comes to sex between a man and woman....

A Man gets in touch with his emotional side through sex.
A woman gets in touch with her sexual side through emotion.

Does your wife feel loved by you? Does she feel cherished? Is the only time you show her attention is when you want sex? Does all of your attention have a desired outcome - sex? Does your wife have a pure and genuine emotional connection with you? A strong bond, a strong love? Does she feel secure in your relationship?

All of these things can and DO lead to a lack of sexual desire - passion as you would call it.

If you want to have a passionate love life, have a passionate EMOTIONAL life with your wife.

And leave the couch for MIBoy.

Just my $4.33
 
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bkg said:
That being said, there is a delicate balance that needs to be remembered when it comes to sex between a man and woman....

A Man gets in touch with his emotional side through sex.
A woman gets in touch with her sexual side through emotion.

Does your wife feel loved by you? Does she feel cherished? Is the only time you show her attention is when you want sex? Does all of your attention have a desired outcome - sex? Does your wife have a pure and genuine emotional connection with you? A strong bond, a strong love? Does she feel secure in your relationship?

All of these things can and DO lead to a lack of sexual desire - passion as you would call it.

If you want to have a passionate love life, have a passionate EMOTIONAL life with your wife.
bkg - excellent points!

Lancer - there are some really good pearls in this thread (and some not so good ones, but I trust you can do the sorting.) While we can't tell enough from your short post to know which of the underlying reasons has lead to your situation, hopefully you can pull some things of use to you from here.
 
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I would say talk to her about it.
Maybe she thinks thats what you want and she is being a "good wife" by being that way.
Was she raised in church? Aside from other things that could cause her to have a bad view about sex? Just coming up with ideas.
Maybe to open up the conversation you could give her the book Intimate Issues by Linda Dillow. It is a wonderful book that speaks to women's issues about sex using the Bible (I'm assuming she is a believer). I thought that my views on sex were fine until I read this book, it basicaly gives you a better view of what biblical married sex was designed for. I highly recomend it!
Talk with her and then pray! Everything is possible with God, he wouldn't have given us the gift of married sex if he didn't want both parties to enjoy it!!!

Mandi
 
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Well, I still think that it is one option that a woman could be lazy in bed, but it's not probable for being the reason for her "lack of passion". One thing I am curious about is, what do you describe as passion? It varies so much from person to person. Me, I've always figured that passion has more to do with a person's heart than it does their physical actions. I've always figured that it was the difference between just laying there, completely zoned out, versus sharing a real experience.

In my personal opinion, there is nothing un-passionate about 'pecking' on the lips or cheek. It all depends on what the person feels and how they express themselves. Some people are full "jump down your throat" kind of people, and others are not. For the post part, my husband is more of a 'peck' kind of person. It doesn't mean that he is any less passionate, only showing his passion in a way that he finds most comfortable and pleasing. It's something that I've learned to accept, since I don't normally express myself that way. However, it is never passionless between us because I know that he is indeed showing his passion for being intimate with me.

A woman being on bottom does not equal a lack of passion. It might signify a lack of interest in finding other ways to make love, but it doesn't mean a lack of passion. Many women find that particular position to be very satisfying. After all, there is face-to-face interaction, and you can completely wrap yourself around the one you love. I, personally, have not found a more passion way to make love. :) There are many, many reasons why a woman could find the missionary position very fulfilling.

As far as the laziness issue, it happens to all of us from time to time. Even if that were the case, it is pretty normal for the most part. There are some days when no one wants to try and pry themselves up from the mattress, even if they do want the intimacy of making love. I think that with plenty of communication, you could iron out why she prefers this particular way to do things. If she is tired, then helping take some 'chores' off her plate might make her more receptive. Also, sometimes body image can come into play also. If you have parts that aren't quite what you would want them to be, it is oftimes preferable to do things in a way that you can stay mentally comfortable. You have to admit that vision is pretty limited in missionary position, along with the the womanly jiggle factor. lol It could be a million things.

All in all, I think that WolfGate hit on a really huge point, in that your styles of loving could just be different. It isn't something that you can really change about a person. If they have a hangup that prevents them from acting with freedom, then that is one thing. People have a tendancy to open up and change a little when they have a burden taken off of them. However, if it is just the way that she prefers to express herself during love making, then it sounds as though y'all will have some talking and possible compromising to do. So, talk, talk, and more talkie talkie. :)
 
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Well, I for one have no intention of getting involved in that mess. (see above arguement) In your marriage, are there other issues? If there are then maybe it is those issues that keep your physical relationship in chains. Work on those first. If the only issue is the "boring sex" maybe it is a lack of self confidence on her part. Sex makes her very vulnerable and maybe she is too scared to try something new. Does she have a sexual history before you or were you her first? She may say she enjoys it being that way but I think it is more likely she is too self conscious to venture out into a new vulnerable land. No one likes to feel like they don't know what they are doing. Maybe you can try one little thing new at a time, ask her to do it for you. It is hard to give examples without being graphic...
 
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ACTUALLY, doesn't the Bible say to separate for a short time when your not getting along in a marriage...? I think, although he may have said it in a semi-harsh way... I think MIBoy's approach may be unorthodox but helpful.
 
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I don't remember reading anything in the bible, telling people to separate when hard times come. I do remember reading that a man and woman should not be physically separated from each other except to take time for fasting and prayer.
 
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Dang it Jenna, you beat me to it again. ;) Here while I'm searching my bible trying to find out if there's some passage I wasn't aware of (which I can't find), you post basically what I was going to.

Couldn't find anything close, really. Closest I got was in Corinthians

1CO 7:15 But if the unbeliever leaves, let him do so. A believing man or woman is not bound in such circumstances; God has called us to live in peace.

All around that it keeps saying you shouldn't initiate separation from your spouse, whether believer or unbeliever.

Petrafan - if you can find the verse you're thinking of, I'd love to discuss it and the context.
 
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PetraFan007 said:
ACTUALLY, doesn't the Bible say to separate for a short time when your not getting along in a marriage...? I think, although he may have said it in a semi-harsh way... I think MIBoy's approach may be unorthodox but helpful.

Mmm before we jump to conclusions let's look at the whole verse you're referring to..

1Co 7:5 - Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control.

Except by agreement - Point Number 1 - Don't think that was done. Doubt he said "Oh sweetie pie, your frigidness is making me angry. Let's sleep in separate beds, okay?"

So that you may devote yourselves to prayer - Point Number 2 - Yeah, I don't think that his reason for abandoning their nuptial bed was so that he could get in some more prayer time either.

He wanted to pout like a child and curl up on the couch hoping to evoke concern from her. Talk about manipulative. Where I come from, after the age of 18, we're expected to have a rational dialogue about needs instead of playing games to get them.
 
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